SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 25 August 2009

Present
Lee Feigenbaum, Axel Polleres, Andy Seaborne, Prateek Jain, Greg Williams, Simon Schenk, Ivan Herman, Kjetil Kjernsmo, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Alex Passant
Regrets
Andy Seaborne, Steve Harris, Paul Gearon, Luke Wilson-Mawer, Chime Ogbuji
Chair
Axel Polleres
Scribe
Eric Prud'hommeaux
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-08-18 link
Topics
<LeeF> Present: LeeF, AxelPolleres, AndyS, Prateek, kasei, SimonS, ivanh, KjetilK, EricP, AlexPassant
13:53:20 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:53:20 <trackbot>  Date: 25 August 2009

Trackbot IRC Bot: Date: 25 August 2009

13:53:22 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this will be SPARQL

13:53:22 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes

13:53:26 <LeeF> Chair: Axel
14:00:39 <AxelPolleres> AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-08-25

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Axel Polleres: AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-08-25

14:02:22 <LeeF> Regrets: AndyS, SteveH, pgearon, LukeWM, Chimezie
14:03:07 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-08-25

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-08-25

14:03:48 <ericP> scribenick: ericP

(Scribe set to Eric Prud'hommeaux)

14:04:20 <ericP> topic: Admin

1. Admin

14:04:43 <ericP> AxelPolleres: want to see if we can get a pub by september

Axel Polleres: want to see if we can get a pub by september

14:04:52 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-08-18

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-08-18

14:05:08 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-08-18

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-08-18

14:05:32 <AlexPassant> ok

Alex Passant: ok

14:05:33 <ericP> next meeting: 1 Sept (note this corrects the agenda)

next meeting: 1 Sept (note this corrects the agenda)

14:05:41 <ericP> next scribe: AlexPassant

next scribe: AlexPassant

14:05:41 <ivanh> Regrets for next meeting

Ivan Herman: Regrets for next meeting

14:05:51 <ericP> topic: Liason reports

2. Liason reports

14:06:14 <ericP> nada

nada

14:06:21 <ericP> topic: Action Tracker

3. Action Tracker

14:06:53 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/ pending actions

-> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/ pending actions

14:07:17 <LeeF> My action is still valid & pending.

Lee Feigenbaum: My action is still valid & pending.

14:07:19 <ericP> AxelPolleres: action 16 on Lee appears stale

Axel Polleres: ACTION-16 on Lee appears stale

14:07:31 <LeeF> Not stale.

Lee Feigenbaum: Not stale.

14:07:35 <ericP> AxelPolleres: action 19 on iv_an_ru appears stale

Axel Polleres: ACTION-19 on iv_an_ru appears stale

14:07:38 <LeeF> Except in time :)

Lee Feigenbaum: Except in time :)

14:08:26 <LeeF> Half done

Lee Feigenbaum: Half done

14:08:48 <Zakim> +Prateek

Zakim IRC Bot: +Prateek

14:08:49 <LeeF> Just leave it, I think

Lee Feigenbaum: Just leave it, I think

14:09:14 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

14:09:38 <LeeF> I have nothing to report on 77

Lee Feigenbaum: I have nothing to report on 77

14:10:01 <ericP> topic: Status report FWPDs end-of-September

4. Status report FWPDs end-of-September

14:10:52 <ericP> AndyS: do you mind adding special forms (e.g. coalese) to the functions and operators mission?

Andy Seaborne: do you mind adding special forms (e.g. coalese) to the functions and operators mission?

14:11:25 <ericP> ... the only special functions we have are &&, || and BOUND

... the only special functions we have are &&, || and BOUND

14:11:56 <LeeF> Glitter has other functions besides those that are in this category (well, at least one)

Lee Feigenbaum: Glitter has other functions besides those that are in this category (well, at least one)

14:12:22 <ericP> ... COALESCE also needs to see the variables (instead of its values)

... COALESCE also needs to see the variables (instead of its values)

14:13:50 <ericP> AxelPolleres: AndyS, please send mail reminding the group that you are extending action 75

Axel Polleres: AndyS, please send mail reminding the group that you are extending ACTION-75

14:14:05 <AxelPolleres> topic: SPARQL/Query

5. SPARQL/Query

14:14:21 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:SubSelect

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:SubSelect

14:14:25 <ericP> AndyS: first one is subselect

Andy Seaborne: first one is subselect

14:14:36 <ericP> ... steve and i discussed how we'd edit the doc

... steve and i discussed how we'd edit the doc

14:15:03 <ericP> ... since it's a refinment of the current doc, we'll work in HTML in CVS

... since it's a refinment of the current doc, we'll work in HTML in CVS

14:15:20 <ericP> ... we'll work on major sections in the wiki

... we'll work on major sections in the wiki

14:16:04 <AxelPolleres> ivanh: same space can be used as DAWG.

Ivan Herman: same space can be used as DAWG. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:16:42 <AxelPolleres> ericP: let's take this offline, will check.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: let's take this offline, will check. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:16:51 <ericP> ACTION: eric to figure out where to find SPARQL2 CVS edit space

ACTION: eric to figure out where to find SPARQL2 CVS edit space

14:16:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-88 - Figure out where to find SPARQL2 CVS edit space [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-09-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-88 - Figure out where to find SPARQL2 CVS edit space [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-09-02].

14:17:16 <ericP> AndyS: subselect looks pretty good

Andy Seaborne: subselect looks pretty good

14:17:20 <ericP> ... need to sort out syntax

... need to sort out syntax

14:17:44 <ericP> ... basically, subselect has no prolog or dataclauses

... basically, subselect has no prolog or dataclauses

14:17:58 <ericP> ... steve has tbe mappings from syntax to algebra

... steve has tbe mappings from syntax to algebra

14:18:10 <LeeF> I thought we already decided against it?

Lee Feigenbaum: I thought we already decided against it?

14:18:22 <ericP> AxelPolleres: what about FROM in subselects?

Axel Polleres: what about FROM in subselects?

14:18:49 <ericP> AndyS: if you don't have vars in datasetclauses, there's not much motivation

Andy Seaborne: if you don't have vars in datasetclauses, there's not much motivation

14:18:53 <SimonS> How about different default graphs?

Simon Schenk: How about different default graphs?

14:18:56 <SimonS> q+

Simon Schenk: q+

14:19:00 <AndyS> q-

Andy Seaborne: q-

14:19:02 <ivanh> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

14:19:09 <ericP> LeeF: i thing we've already ruled them out

Lee Feigenbaum: i thing we've already ruled them out

14:19:28 <ericP> SimonS: second motivation could be different default graph in the subquery

Simon Schenk: second motivation could be different default graph in the subquery

14:19:38 <ericP> q+ to mention query composability

q+ to mention query composability

14:19:45 <ivanh> ack SimonS

Ivan Herman: ack SimonS

14:20:05 <ericP> AndyS: would like to motivated with missing usability of the lang

Andy Seaborne: would like to motivated with missing usability of the lang

14:20:26 <ivanh> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

14:20:33 <ericP> ivanh: we can mark these as issues in the WG to solicit feedback from the public

Ivan Herman: we can mark these as issues in the WG to solicit feedback from the public

14:20:43 <LeeF> q+ to talk about re-opening decided issues

Lee Feigenbaum: q+ to talk about re-opening decided issues

14:22:25 <LeeF> q-

Lee Feigenbaum: q-

14:22:35 <LeeF> I note that http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/8 is still open

Lee Feigenbaum: I note that http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/8 is still open

14:22:38 <LeeF> Contrary to my memory.

Lee Feigenbaum: Contrary to my memory.

14:23:17 <ericP> ericP: i assumed a major motivation for subselects was to have query composability, so scripts could be composed with concatonation

Eric Prud'hommeaux: i assumed a major motivation for subselects was to have query composability, so scripts could be composed with concatonation

14:23:38 <ericP> LeeF: consensus in earlier discussion was that there was no reason to re-define the dataset

Lee Feigenbaum: consensus in earlier discussion was that there was no reason to re-define the dataset

14:24:15 <ericP> ... we can just write it down in the issues and move on

... we can just write it down in the issues and move on

14:24:22 <ericP> ... we'll have to address it before last call

... we'll have to address it before last call

14:25:19 <ericP> AxelPolleres: there is only one proposal for variable scoping

Axel Polleres: there is only one proposal for variable scoping

14:25:57 <ericP> AndyS: [re aggregates] have a list of issues

Andy Seaborne: [re aggregates] have a list of issues

14:26:09 <ericP> ... multisets v.s bags (choosing multisets)

... multisets v.s bags (choosing multisets)

14:26:24 <ericP> ... syntax around project expression (ericP's prob)

... syntax around project expression (ericP's prob)

14:26:58 <ericP> ... have some minor issues mapping from abstract syntax to algebra issues

... have some minor issues mapping from abstract syntax to algebra issues

14:27:47 <ericP> ... we're looking at things that syntactically look like functions, but we're safe because uris are unique [and cheap - ED]

... we're looking at things that syntactically look like functions, but we're safe because uris are unique [and cheap - ED]

14:27:58 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:Project_Expression

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:Project_Expression

14:29:08 <ericP> ericP: created and tested a grammer, using AS var

Eric Prud'hommeaux: created and tested a grammer, using AS var

14:29:26 <ericP> LeeF: project_Expressions should own the syntax

Lee Feigenbaum: project_Expressions should own the syntax

14:29:36 <Zakim> -KjetilK

Zakim IRC Bot: -KjetilK

14:30:05 <AxelPolleres> issue there if binindg to AS variable already exists

Axel Polleres: issue there if binindg to AS variable already exists

14:30:06 <ericP> AndyS: only algebra implication is that they create var bindings, so what if they already exist

Andy Seaborne: only algebra implication is that they create var bindings, so what if they already exist

14:30:34 <ericP> (fascist) LeeF: propose: requires an AS, requires a var, and error if the var is used

(fascist) LeeF: propose: requires an AS, requires a var, and error if the var is used

14:30:54 <LeeF> ISSUE: What happens when expressions are projected with the same name as an existing variable?

ISSUE: What happens when expressions are projected with the same name as an existing variable?

14:30:54 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-36 - What happens when expressions are projected with the same name as an existing variable? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/36/edit .

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-36 - What happens when expressions are projected with the same name as an existing variable? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/36/edit .

14:31:07 <LeeF> ACTION: Axel to start thread on mailing list re: ISSUE-36

ACTION: Axel to start thread on mailing list re: ISSUE-36

14:31:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-82 - Start thread on mailing list re: ISSUE-36 [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-09-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-82 - Start thread on mailing list re: ISSUE-36 [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-09-01].

14:31:07 <ericP> AndyS: Virtuoso uses a slightly different syntax so need to take to mailing list

Andy Seaborne: Virtuoso uses a slightly different syntax so need to take to mailing list

14:31:44 <AxelPolleres>  Negation:

Axel Polleres: Negation:

14:31:48 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:Negation

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:Negation

14:32:39 <ericP> AndyS: [Re: Negation] last time we straw polled, there was emphasis on the NOT EXISTS and we said we'd mention MINUS

Andy Seaborne: [Re: Negation] last time we straw polled, there was emphasis on the NOT EXISTS and we said we'd mention MINUS

14:32:59 <ericP> ... am working on formalizing the relationship between the two

... am working on formalizing the relationship between the two

14:33:43 <ericP> ericP: found diffs between them?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: found diffs between them?

14:34:10 <ericP> AndyS: yes in OPTIONALs and FILTERs cases

Andy Seaborne: yes in OPTIONALs and FILTERs cases

14:34:43 <ericP> ... same issues that arrise in vars introduced in OPTIONALs

... same issues that arrise in vars introduced in OPTIONALs

14:35:04 <ericP> AxelPolleres: add a pointer to that email thread?

Axel Polleres: add a pointer to that email thread?

14:35:26 <ericP> AndyS: not sure it will make a difference

Andy Seaborne: not sure it will make a difference

14:35:46 <ericP> AxelPolleres: propose a link to concrete examples

Axel Polleres: propose a link to concrete examples

14:35:49 <ivanh> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

14:35:56 <ericP> q-

q-

14:36:12 <ericP> AndyS: prefer to leave to editors to see what they can get done

Andy Seaborne: prefer to leave to editors to see what they can get done

14:36:31 <ericP> ivanh: current negation page is inconsistent with the examples we want to use

Ivan Herman: current negation page is inconsistent with the examples we want to use

14:36:43 <ericP> ... NOT EXISTS, !EXISTS, UNSAID

... NOT EXISTS, !EXISTS, UNSAID

14:37:11 <LeeF> UNEXISTS

Lee Feigenbaum: UNEXISTS

14:37:12 <LeeF> :-D

Lee Feigenbaum: :-D

14:37:27 <ericP> AndyS: pref [NOT] EXISTS

Andy Seaborne: pref [NOT] EXISTS

14:37:36 <ericP> ivanh: does NOT show up elsewhere?

Ivan Herman: does NOT show up elsewhere?

14:37:39 <LeeF> +1

Lee Feigenbaum: +1

14:37:42 <ivanh> 0

Ivan Herman: 0

14:37:53 <AxelPolleres> strawpoll on [NOT] EXISTS

Axel Polleres: strawpoll on [NOT] EXISTS

14:37:55 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:38:05 <SimonS> +1

Simon Schenk: +1

14:38:10 <kasei> 0

Greg Williams: 0

14:38:18 <Prateek> +1

Prateek Jain: +1

14:39:26 <ericP> ivanh: EXISTS { .. } is usefull

Ivan Herman: EXISTS { .. } is usefull

14:39:36 <AxelPolleres> P1 EXISTS P2 != P1 P2

Axel Polleres: P1 EXISTS P2 != P1 P2

14:39:38 <ericP> ... (not as useful as negation, but still useful)

... (not as useful as negation, but still useful)

14:39:57 <AxelPolleres> strawpoll !EXISTS

Axel Polleres: strawpoll !EXISTS

14:40:02 <ivanh> -1

Ivan Herman: -1

14:40:07 <AxelPolleres> 0

Axel Polleres: 0

14:40:13 <LeeF> -1

Lee Feigenbaum: -1

14:40:27 <SimonS> -1

Simon Schenk: -1

14:40:29 <kasei> 0

Greg Williams: 0

14:40:53 <AndyS> -1

Andy Seaborne: -1

14:41:01 <AxelPolleres> strawpoll UNSAID

Axel Polleres: strawpoll UNSAID

14:41:02 <ericP> ericP: "!" vs. "NOT" seems syntactic but atomic EXISTS is a new feature

Eric Prud'hommeaux: "!" vs. "NOT" seems syntactic but atomic EXISTS is a new feature

14:41:03 <ivanh> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

14:41:08 <LeeF> 0

Lee Feigenbaum: 0

14:41:09 <AxelPolleres> 0

Axel Polleres: 0

14:41:09 <AndyS> -1

Andy Seaborne: -1

14:41:14 <ericP> +1

+1

14:41:18 <kasei> +1

Greg Williams: +1

14:41:29 <SimonS> +1

Simon Schenk: +1

14:41:43 <AlexPassant> +1 on exists / not exists

Alex Passant: +1 on exists / not exists

14:42:29 <AxelPolleres> andyS: have already sent an example on EXISTS

Andy Seaborne: have already sent an example on EXISTS [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:42:32 <ericP> ivanh: if we are motivated by EXISTS, then sure, "NOT EXISTS", otherwise two keywords is funny and potentially confusing

Ivan Herman: if we are motivated by EXISTS, then sure, "NOT EXISTS", otherwise two keywords is funny and potentially confusing

14:42:58 <ericP> ericP: we need to not just see it, but decide if we're motivated by it

Eric Prud'hommeaux: we need to not just see it, but decide if we're motivated by it

14:43:15 <AxelPolleres> topic: Errata

6. Errata

14:44:03 <ericP> LeeF: AndyS and i have lists

Lee Feigenbaum: AndyS and i have lists

14:44:20 <ericP> ... we don't need to handle them by FPWD

... we don't need to handle them by FPWD

14:44:37 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Lee to synchronize list of Errata with AndyS

ACTION: Lee to synchronize list of Errata with AndyS

14:44:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-83 - Synchronize list of Errata with AndyS [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-09-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-83 - Synchronize list of Errata with AndyS [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-09-01].

14:45:00 <ericP> AndyS: would like to sync before FPWD

Andy Seaborne: would like to sync before FPWD

14:45:16 <ivanh> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

14:45:17 <ericP> AxelPolleres: when do you think we'll have a 1st version for us to review?

Axel Polleres: when do you think we'll have a 1st version for us to review?

14:45:28 <ericP> AndyS: steve and i haven't disucssed that

Andy Seaborne: steve and i haven't disucssed that

14:45:42 <ericP> ... maybe by the end of september

... maybe by the end of september

14:46:05 <ericP> ... we can vary any two of { time , resources , content }

... we can vary any two of { time , resources , content }

14:46:20 <ericP> ... would like text on each mandatory feature

... would like text on each mandatory feature

14:46:38 <ericP> ... not necessarily consistent, noted in the SOTD

... not necessarily consistent, noted in the SOTD

14:46:38 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

14:47:11 <ericP> ivanh: FPWD will contain only new features? or will it integrate with SPARQL1?

Ivan Herman: FPWD will contain only new features? or will it integrate with SPARQL1?

14:47:36 <ericP> AndyS: timeliness might dictate just the new features. haven't consulted steve

Andy Seaborne: timeliness might dictate just the new features. haven't consulted steve

14:48:10 <ericP> ... following structure of SPARQL1 until someone persuades us otherwise

... following structure of SPARQL1 until someone persuades us otherwise

14:48:34 <ericP> ivanh: a delta doc for FPWD is easier, quicker, and potentially better for public feedback

Ivan Herman: a delta doc for FPWD is easier, quicker, and potentially better for public feedback

14:48:43 <ericP> ... does it cause us more work later?

... does it cause us more work later?

14:49:27 <ericP> AndyS: will give progress reports at every conference

Andy Seaborne: will give progress reports at every conference

14:49:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: AndyS and SteveH to decide whether FPWD should be inegrated or only new features

ACTION: AndyS and SteveH to decide whether FPWD should be inegrated or only new features

14:49:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-84 - And SteveH to decide whether FPWD should be inegrated or only new features [on Andy Seaborne - due 2009-09-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-84 - And SteveH to decide whether FPWD should be inegrated or only new features [on Andy Seaborne - due 2009-09-01].

14:50:43 <ericP> SimonS: we integrate now (to save later integration) and hilight new sections

Simon Schenk: we integrate now (to save later integration) and hilight new sections

14:50:51 <AxelPolleres> Topic: SPARQL/Update

7. SPARQL/Update

14:51:08 <SimonS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/UpdateIssues

Simon Schenk: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/UpdateIssues

14:51:28 <ericP> SimonS: plan is to extend SPARUL submission

Simon Schenk: plan is to extend SPARUL submission

14:51:36 <ericP> ... plan to use CVS from the start

... plan to use CVS from the start

14:52:49 <AxelPolleres> pls use q, thanks!

Axel Polleres: pls use q, thanks!

14:53:02 <ivanh> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

14:53:05 <SimonS> q+

Simon Schenk: q+

14:53:09 <ivanh> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

14:53:10 <AndyS> q+ to ask what's the cost of retro fitting the XSLT process to the existing SPARQL/Query

Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask what's the cost of retro fitting the XSLT process to the existing SPARQL/Query

14:53:28 <ericP> ericP: [mentions xml-spec]

Eric Prud'hommeaux: [mentions xml-spec]

14:53:47 <ericP> ivanh: sharing text between the two motivates using the same approach for both

Ivan Herman: sharing text between the two motivates using the same approach for both

14:53:55 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

14:54:26 <AndyS> EricP: Choices: CVS+xml-spec , CVS+HTML, wiki.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Choices: CVS+xml-spec , CVS+HTML, wiki. [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ]

14:54:35 <AxelPolleres> ack SimonS

Axel Polleres: ack SimonS

14:54:42 <ericP> M$?

M$?

14:55:26 <AxelPolleres> ack AndyS

Axel Polleres: ack AndyS

14:55:26 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask what's the cost of retro fitting the XSLT process to the existing SPARQL/Query

Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to ask what's the cost of retro fitting the XSLT process to the existing SPARQL/Query

14:55:26 <ericP> SimonS: didn't know about xml-spec, but prefer to use same authoring tool

Simon Schenk: didn't know about xml-spec, but prefer to use same authoring tool

14:56:14 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2002/xmlspec/dtd/2.10/xmlspec.dtd

Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2002/xmlspec/dtd/2.10/xmlspec.dtd

14:58:28 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Eric to look into xmlspec for SPARQL/Query with AndyS

ACTION: Eric to look into xmlspec for SPARQL/Query with AndyS

14:58:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-85 - Look into xmlspec for SPARQL/Query with AndyS [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-09-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-85 - Look into xmlspec for SPARQL/Query with AndyS [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-09-01].

14:59:04 <KjetilK> Zakim, mute me

Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, mute me

14:59:04 <Zakim> KjetilK should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: KjetilK should now be muted

14:59:09 <ericP> AxelPolleres: what's a reasonable ETA for Update?

Axel Polleres: what's a reasonable ETA for Update?

14:59:33 <ericP> SimonS: Paul is on vacation for two weeks, but i could create a first version in the mean time

Simon Schenk: Paul is on vacation for two weeks, but i could create a first version in the mean time

15:00:01 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: SimonS to draft first version of SPARQL/Update by 2009-09-15

ACTION: SimonS to draft first version of SPARQL/Update by 2009-09-15

15:00:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-86 - Draft first version of SPARQL/Update by 2009-09-15  [on Simon Schenk - due 2009-09-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-86 - Draft first version of SPARQL/Update by 2009-09-15 [on Simon Schenk - due 2009-09-01].

15:00:03 <AndyS> EricP: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/spec-prod/

Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/spec-prod/ [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ]

15:00:22 <AndyS> q+ to ask where SPARQL/Update/Protocol goes for FPWD?

Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask where SPARQL/Update/Protocol goes for FPWD?

15:01:02 <ericP> AndyS: where will the ReSTful update stuff go?

Andy Seaborne: where will the ReSTful update stuff go?

15:01:28 <ericP> SimonS: also had that question

Simon Schenk: also had that question

15:01:43 <ericP> q+ to propose protocol

q+ to propose protocol

15:01:53 <AxelPolleres> Can we put this on email? I need to run.

Axel Polleres: Can we put this on email? I need to run.

15:01:56 <ericP> SimonS: expected another doc, or protocol

Simon Schenk: expected another doc, or protocol

15:02:09 <ericP> ... prefer separate, no strong opinion

... prefer separate, no strong opinion



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