13:54:14 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-sparql-irc
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13:54:35 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, this will be SPARQL
Axel Polleres: Zakim, this will be SPARQL ←
13:54:35 <Zakim> ok, AxelPolleres; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, AxelPolleres; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes ←
13:55:27 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started ←
13:55:35 <Zakim> + +3539149aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +3539149aaaa ←
13:55:45 <Zakim> + +7.441.173.70.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +7.441.173.70.aabb ←
13:55:45 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aaaa is me
Axel Polleres: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
13:55:45 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres; got it ←
13:55:47 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres ←
13:55:48 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres ←
13:55:56 <Zakim> - +7.441.173.70.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: - +7.441.173.70.aabb ←
13:56:03 <Zakim> +john-l
Zakim IRC Bot: +john-l ←
13:56:11 <ericP> Zakim, please dail ericP-office
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please dail ericP-office ←
13:56:11 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please dail ericP-office', ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'please dail ericP-office', ericP ←
13:56:25 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please dial ericP-office ←
13:56:26 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ericP; the call is being made ←
13:56:26 <Zakim> +EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP ←
13:56:29 <Zakim> + +7.441.173.70.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +7.441.173.70.aacc ←
13:56:55 <AxelPolleres> who dialed in from +7 ?
Axel Polleres: who dialed in from +7 ? ←
13:57:02 <AndyS> zakim, aacc is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, aacc is me ←
13:57:02 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
13:57:05 <Zakim> + +200000aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +200000aadd ←
13:57:08 <AndyS> It's the UK dialin
Andy Seaborne: It's the UK dialin ←
13:57:19 <Zakim> + +200000aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +200000aaee ←
13:57:26 <alepas> Zakim, /200000aadd is me
Alex Passant: Zakim, /200000aadd is me ←
13:57:26 <Zakim> sorry, alepas, I do not recognize a party named '/200000aadd'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, alepas, I do not recognize a party named '/200000aadd' ←
13:57:34 <alepas> Zakim, +200000aadd is me
Alex Passant: Zakim, +200000aadd is me ←
13:57:34 <Zakim> +alepas; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +alepas; got it ←
13:57:40 <AndyS> but zakim usually prints ??P foo for it. I had to try twice to get in.
Andy Seaborne: but zakim usually prints ??P foo for it. I had to try twice to get in. ←
13:58:10 <Zakim> - +200000aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: - +200000aaee ←
13:59:05 <Zakim> +kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei ←
13:59:09 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
Greg Williams: Zakim, mute me ←
13:59:09 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should now be muted ←
13:59:30 <Zakim> + +0186528aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0186528aaff ←
13:59:48 <Zakim> +ARonksley
Zakim IRC Bot: +ARonksley ←
13:59:56 <bglimm> Zakim, +0186528aaff
Birte Glimm: Zakim, +0186528aaff ←
13:59:56 <Zakim> I don't understand '+0186528aaff', bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '+0186528aaff', bglimm ←
14:00:06 <bglimm> Zakim, +0186528aaff is bglimm
Birte Glimm: Zakim, +0186528aaff is bglimm ←
14:00:06 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it ←
14:00:18 <SteveH> can we find out which line were on?
Steve Harris: can we find out which line were on? ←
14:00:19 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:00:19 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:00:28 <Ivan Herman> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
14:00:28 <Zakim> ok, Ivan Herman; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Ivan Herman; the call is being made ←
14:00:29 <SteveH> what's the code for putting your hand up
Steve Harris: what's the code for putting your hand up ←
14:00:33 <Zakim> +Ivan Herman
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan Herman ←
14:00:40 <LukeWM_> zakim, who is on the phone?
Luke Wilson-Mawer: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:00:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, john-l, EricP, AndyS, alepas, kasei (muted), bglimm (muted), ARonksley, Ivan Herman
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AxelPolleres, john-l, EricP, AndyS, alepas, kasei (muted), bglimm (muted), ARonksley, Ivan Herman ←
14:00:42 <AxelPolleres> Who is ARonksley?
Axel Polleres: Who is ARonksley? ←
14:00:56 <Zakim> + +1.919.663.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.919.663.aagg ←
14:01:20 <SteveH> Zakim, ARonksley is [Garlik]
Steve Harris: Zakim, ARonksley is [Garlik] ←
14:01:20 <Zakim> +[Garlik]; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik]; got it ←
14:01:27 <SimonKJ> Zakim, +1.919.663.aagg is SimonKJ
Simon Johnston: Zakim, +1.919.663.aagg is SimonKJ ←
14:01:28 <Zakim> +SimonKJ; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SimonKJ; got it ←
14:01:30 <SteveH> Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH LukeWM_
Steve Harris: Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH LukeWM_ ←
14:01:30 <Zakim> +SteveH, LukeWM_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH, LukeWM_; got it ←
14:01:31 <AxelPolleres> ack ARonklsey
Axel Polleres: ack ARonklsey ←
14:01:34 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:01:43 <SteveH> q-
Steve Harris: q- ←
14:01:46 <SteveH> q=
Steve Harris: q= ←
14:01:51 <SteveH> q?
Steve Harris: q? ←
14:01:51 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:02:00 <SteveH> queue=
Steve Harris: queue= ←
14:02:05 <bglimm> ack ARonksley
Birte Glimm: ack ARonksley ←
14:02:07 <SteveH> queue=""
Steve Harris: queue="" ←
14:02:08 <Zakim> +alepas.a
Zakim IRC Bot: +alepas.a ←
14:02:23 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:02:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, john-l, EricP, AndyS, alepas, kasei (muted), bglimm (muted), [Garlik], Ivan, SimonKJ, alepas.a
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AxelPolleres, john-l, EricP, AndyS, alepas, kasei (muted), bglimm (muted), [Garlik], Ivan, SimonKJ, alepas.a ←
14:02:29 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, LukeWM_
Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, LukeWM_ ←
14:02:45 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-07-21
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-07-21 ←
14:03:02 <kjetil_> Zakim, who is talking
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, who is talking ←
14:03:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', kjetil_
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is talking', kjetil_ ←
14:03:11 <SteveH> scribenick SteveH
Steve Harris: scribenick SteveH ←
14:03:15 <kjetil_> Zakim, who is talking?
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, who is talking? ←
14:03:16 <AxelPolleres> scribe: Steve Harris
(Scribe set to Steve Harris)
14:03:25 <Zakim> kjetil_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (12%), alepas.a (6%), Ivan Herman (4%)
Zakim IRC Bot: kjetil_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (12%), alepas.a (6%), Ivan Herman (4%) ←
14:03:37 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
Zakim IRC Bot: +Chimezie_Ogbuji ←
14:03:39 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, alepas.a is kjetil
Axel Polleres: Zakim, alepas.a is kjetil ←
14:03:39 <Zakim> +kjetil; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kjetil; got it ←
14:03:49 <kjetil_> Zakim, alepas.a is me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, alepas.a is me ←
14:03:49 <Zakim> sorry, kjetil_, I do not recognize a party named 'alepas.a'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, kjetil_, I do not recognize a party named 'alepas.a' ←
14:04:38 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-07-14
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-07-14 ←
14:04:45 <SteveH> accept last minutes?
accept last minutes? ←
14:04:53 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: accept minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-07-14
PROPOSED: accept minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-07-14 ←
14:05:11 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: accept minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-07-14
RESOLVED: accept minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-07-14 ←
14:05:53 <SteveH> ericP to scribe next week, but at risk for next 2 meetings
ericP to scribe next week, but at risk for next 2 meetings ←
14:06:11 <kjetil_> Zakim: mute me
14:06:23 <SteveH> greg to scribe is eric not available
greg to scribe is eric not available ←
14:06:32 <Zakim> +Prateek
Zakim IRC Bot: +Prateek ←
14:07:09 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: phase II charter, finalised just now, should go next week
Ivan Herman: phase II charter, finalised just now, should go next week ←
14:07:26 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: should take effect sept 1st
Ivan Herman: should take effect sept 1st ←
14:07:33 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:07:35 <Ivan Herman> s/next week/this week/
Ivan Herman: s/next week/this week/ ←
14:07:45 <SteveH> queue=
queue= ←
14:07:58 <SteveH> vacation plans
vacation plans ←
14:08:27 <SteveH> wiki page?
wiki page? ←
14:08:40 <SteveH> ACTION: AxelPolleres to setup wiki page
ACTION: AxelPolleres to setup wiki page ←
14:08:40 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - AxelPolleres
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - AxelPolleres ←
14:09:10 <SteveH> ACTION: Axel to setup wiki page to capture vacation times
ACTION: Axel to setup wiki page to capture vacation times ←
14:09:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Setup wiki page to capture vacation times [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-07-28].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-61 - Setup wiki page to capture vacation times [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-07-28]. ←
14:09:25 <SteveH> Liassons
Liassons ←
14:09:33 <SteveH> no news from OWL
no news from OWL ←
14:09:35 <ericP> nothing from HCLS
Eric Prud'hommeaux: nothing from HCLS ←
14:09:46 <SteveH> nothing from XQuery
nothing from XQuery ←
14:09:54 <SteveH> nothing from RIF
nothing from RIF ←
14:10:07 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chime Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
14:10:07 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted ←
14:10:09 <SteveH> nothing from RDB2RDF
nothing from RDB2RDF ←
14:10:21 <SteveH> Actions...
Actions... ←
14:11:44 <SteveH> SPARQL Update reviews were done
SPARQL Update reviews were done ←
14:12:18 <SteveH> ericP: I have implemented SPARUL a coulpe of times
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I have implemented SPARUL a coulpe of times ←
14:12:32 <SteveH> ericP: went a bit beyond the draft, with [some stuff couldn't hear]
Eric Prud'hommeaux: went a bit beyond the draft, with [some stuff couldn't hear] ←
14:12:38 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Eric to add review/experiences on SPARQL/update
ACTION: Eric to add review/experiences on SPARQL/update ←
14:12:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-62 - Add review/experiences on SPARQL/update [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-07-28].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-62 - Add review/experiences on SPARQL/update [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-07-28]. ←
14:13:33 <SteveH> kjetil_: action 58 is done
Kjetil Kjernsmo: ACTION-58 is done ←
14:14:34 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0061.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0061.html ←
14:15:49 <SimonKJ> on #60, I didn't follow up on Kjetil's mail as I thought it, and Andy's response, summarized things well and I didn't feel I could add anything
Simon Johnston: on #60, I didn't follow up on Kjetil's mail as I thought it, and Andy's response, summarized things well and I didn't feel I could add anything ←
14:15:56 <SteveH> SPARQL/Update
SPARQL/Update ←
14:16:07 <kjetil_> SimonKJ: ok, that's fine
Simon Johnston: ok, that's fine [ Scribe Assist by Kjetil Kjernsmo ] ←
14:16:28 <SteveH> AlexPassant: ok with the submission
Alex Passant: ok with the submission ←
14:16:48 <SteveH> AlexPassant: INSERT two forms, feels that it would be easier for the end user to only have one
Alex Passant: INSERT two forms, feels that it would be easier for the end user to only have one ←
14:17:08 <SteveH> AlexPassant: Add ing a MOVE keyword would be more convienient
Alex Passant: Add ing a MOVE keyword would be more convienient ←
14:17:23 <SteveH> AlexPassant: [seomthing] would be better in the protocol than the language
Alex Passant: [seomthing] would be better in the protocol than the language ←
14:17:37 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0069.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0069.html ←
14:18:06 <AlexPassant> s/[seomthing]/SILENT
Alex Passant: s/[seomthing]/SILENT ←
14:18:16 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0073.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0073.html ←
14:18:25 <SteveH> LukeWM_, no strong opinions
LukeWM_, no strong opinions ←
14:18:36 <SteveH> LukeWM_, thought INSERT/UPDATE would be better in protocol?
LukeWM_, thought INSERT/UPDATE would be better in protocol? ←
14:18:57 <SteveH> LukeWM_, there are a bunch of verbs no clear when you can use WHERE etc.
LukeWM_, there are a bunch of verbs no clear when you can use WHERE etc. ←
14:19:05 <SteveH> LukeWM_, not clear when you should use MODIFY
LukeWM_, not clear when you should use MODIFY ←
14:19:33 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: hoping for comments on that review
Axel Polleres: hoping for comments on that review ←
14:19:55 <SteveH> ericP: people can rework grammars
Eric Prud'hommeaux: people can rework grammars ←
14:20:10 <AxelPolleres> Eric, pointer to grammar tool to extend change the grammar.
Axel Polleres: Eric, pointer to grammar tool to extend change the grammar. ←
14:20:11 <SteveH> AndyS: is it the same one in the submissions
Andy Seaborne: is it the same one in the submissions ←
14:20:21 <SteveH> ericP: no, it's the same as the one in the comment
Eric Prud'hommeaux: no, it's the same as the one in the comment ←
14:20:23 <ericP> all of my comments are in http://www.w3.org/Submission/2008/04/Comment
Eric Prud'hommeaux: all of my comments are in http://www.w3.org/Submission/2008/04/Comment ←
14:20:50 <SteveH> sorry, those LukeWM_,'s should be :'s
sorry, those LukeWM_,'s should be :'s ←
14:21:07 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARUL_EGP?lang=perl&markup=html
Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARUL_EGP?lang=perl&markup=html ←
14:21:18 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARUL?lang=perl&markup=html
Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARUL?lang=perl&markup=html ←
14:21:33 <SteveH> ericP, tweaked version of grammar
ericP, tweaked version of grammar ←
14:21:40 <SteveH> ericP: tweaked version of grammar
Eric Prud'hommeaux: tweaked version of grammar ←
14:21:54 <LukeWM_> looks really useful, ericP
Luke Wilson-Mawer: looks really useful, ericP ←
14:22:00 <SteveH> ericP: can try tweaking the grammar and see if it still works
Eric Prud'hommeaux: can try tweaking the grammar and see if it still works ←
14:22:34 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0076.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0076.html ←
14:22:52 <SteveH> SimonKJ: transactions, good to be clear upfront that transactions are out of scope
Simon Johnston: transactions, good to be clear upfront that transactions are out of scope ←
14:23:11 <SteveH> SimonKJ: if youre a SQL dev. then INSERT+DEL is normal, but in a transaction
Simon Johnston: if youre a SQL dev. then INSERT+DEL is normal, but in a transaction ←
14:23:21 <AxelPolleres> Simon, transactions missing for intuitive way to "MOVE"
Axel Polleres: Simon, transactions missing for intuitive way to "MOVE" ←
14:23:24 <SteveH> SimonKJ: having a move would let us make it atomic
Simon Johnston: having a move would let us make it atomic ←
14:23:26 <SteveH> q+
q+ ←
14:23:36 <SteveH> SimonKJ: same concerns about INSERT two forms
Simon Johnston: same concerns about INSERT two forms ←
14:23:44 <SteveH> SimonKJ: went from not liking to neutral
Simon Johnston: went from not liking to neutral ←
14:24:10 <SteveH> SimonKJ: on UPDATE there is some wording around graphs existing or not, should eb consistent
Simon Johnston: on UPDATE there is some wording around graphs existing or not, should eb consistent ←
14:24:21 <SteveH> SimonKJ: add some wording to sections that dont mention
Simon Johnston: add some wording to sections that dont mention ←
14:24:35 <SteveH> SimonKJ: CLEAR needs some expansion, "does not remove graph"
Simon Johnston: CLEAR needs some expansion, "does not remove graph" ←
14:24:38 <AxelPolleres> SimonKJ: What happens on updates on non-existing graphs?
Simon Johnston: What happens on updates on non-existing graphs? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:24:49 <SteveH> SimonKJ: security seems to be out of band
Simon Johnston: security seems to be out of band ←
14:25:00 <SteveH> SimonKJ: will be important in the protocol
Simon Johnston: will be important in the protocol ←
14:25:09 <AxelPolleres> ack SteveH
Axel Polleres: ack SteveH ←
14:25:18 <Zakim> -kjetil
Zakim IRC Bot: -kjetil ←
14:26:11 <AxelPolleres> (steve pls summarize your comment on IRC I possible)
Axel Polleres: (steve pls summarize your comment on IRC I possible) ←
14:27:38 <SteveH> AndyS: MOVE gives the impl. more scope to impose atomicity
Andy Seaborne: MOVE gives the impl. more scope to impose atomicity ←
14:27:41 <AxelPolleres> Andy: It is more an implementation issue how to support atomicity.
Andy Seaborne: It is more an implementation issue how to support atomicity. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:28:08 <AndyS> q+ to make a meta point
Andy Seaborne: q+ to make a meta point ←
14:28:11 <Zakim> +[Garlik.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik.a] ←
14:28:15 <SteveH> q-
q- ←
14:28:26 <SimonKJ> if SteveH could comment on email we can pick up the discussion there
Simon Johnston: if SteveH could comment on email we can pick up the discussion there ←
14:28:48 <AndyS> q-
Andy Seaborne: q- ←
14:28:55 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: suggest that we confirm to use SPARUL as the basis for SPARQL/Update
Axel Polleres: suggest that we confirm to use SPARUL as the basis for SPARQL/Update ←
14:29:02 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
14:29:08 <SteveH> +1
+1 ←
14:29:09 <kjetil_> +1
Kjetil Kjernsmo: +1 ←
14:29:32 <Ivan Herman> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
14:29:39 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:29:42 <kasei> +1
Greg Williams: +1 ←
14:29:42 <SteveH> what does "formally" mean in this case?
what does "formally" mean in this case? ←
14:29:44 <AlexPassant> +1
Alex Passant: +1 ←
14:29:45 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:29:53 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
14:30:00 <chimezie> +1
Chime Ogbuji: +1 ←
14:30:08 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Base "SPARQL/Update" on the SPARQL/Update submission
PROPOSED: Base "SPARQL/Update" on the SPARQL/Update submission ←
14:30:12 <Ivan Herman> =1
Ivan Herman: =1 ←
14:30:14 <Ivan Herman> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
14:30:16 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
14:30:36 <SteveH> no objections, no abstentions
no objections, no abstentions ←
14:30:41 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Base "SPARQL/Update" on the SPARQL/Update submission
RESOLVED: Base "SPARQL/Update" on the SPARQL/Update submission ←
14:30:52 <AndyS> I think there is a significant amount of work to be done (e.g. formal model, do graphs exists at all times, MOVE, ...)
Andy Seaborne: I think there is a significant amount of work to be done (e.g. formal model, do graphs exists at all times, MOVE, ...) ←
14:31:23 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: Andy has some points to raise
Axel Polleres: Andy has some points to raise ←
14:31:44 <AxelPolleres> AndyS: formal model missing
Andy Seaborne: formal model missing [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:31:45 <kjetil_> q+
Kjetil Kjernsmo: q+ ←
14:31:49 <SteveH> AndyS: there's no formal model of what's going on, have to create a structure
Andy Seaborne: there's no formal model of what's going on, have to create a structure ←
14:32:00 <AxelPolleres> ... emtpy graphs issue
Axel Polleres: ... emtpy graphs issue ←
14:32:03 <SteveH> AndyS: do graphs exist without triples etc.
Andy Seaborne: do graphs exist without triples etc. ←
14:32:07 <Ivan Herman> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:32:17 <SteveH> AndyS: can you mix queries and updates, how do they work together
Andy Seaborne: can you mix queries and updates, how do they work together ←
14:32:30 <SteveH> AndyS: something we would concoiusly decide not to do
Andy Seaborne: something we would concoiusly decide not to do ←
14:32:43 <SteveH> AndyS: ASK in update
Andy Seaborne: ASK in update ←
14:32:50 <AxelPolleres> ... can you mix queries and updates in one operation?
Axel Polleres: ... can you mix queries and updates in one operation? ←
14:32:50 <SteveH> Subslect is maybe a better example
Subslect is maybe a better example ←
14:33:04 <SteveH> AxelPolleres, WHEREs?
AxelPolleres, WHEREs? ←
14:33:23 <SteveH> AndyS: eg. only apply some update under these conditions
Andy Seaborne: eg. only apply some update under these conditions ←
14:33:40 <SteveH> AndyS: could have an ASK to fail some request depending on result
Andy Seaborne: could have an ASK to fail some request depending on result ←
14:33:57 <ericP> q?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q? ←
14:34:12 <SteveH> AndyS: there are issues like this that need to be covered, need to be sure were solving the right problem
Andy Seaborne: there are issues like this that need to be covered, need to be sure were solving the right problem ←
14:34:16 <AxelPolleres> ack kjetil
Axel Polleres: ack kjetil ←
14:34:36 <SteveH> kjetil_: some of the comments, I agree with, to MODIFY verb, do we need it?
Kjetil Kjernsmo: some of the comments, I agree with, to MODIFY verb, do we need it? ←
14:34:41 <AxelPolleres> (sounds like an issue to me)
Axel Polleres: (sounds like an issue to me) ←
14:34:58 <ericP> AndyS, do your ASK { } INSERT {... } scenarios require a super-language anyways?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: AndyS, do your ASK { } INSERT {... } scenarios require a super-language anyways? ←
14:35:08 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:35:24 <AndyS> EricP, you mean SPARQL/Scripting? :-)
Andy Seaborne: EricP, you mean SPARQL/Scripting? :-) ←
14:35:30 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: wondering whether the changes we plan on the QL, what effect will they have on the update lang
Ivan Herman: wondering whether the changes we plan on the QL, what effect will they have on the update lang ←
14:35:36 <kjetil_> I also feel that DELETE is a bit verbose and could be simplified
Kjetil Kjernsmo: I also feel that DELETE is a bit verbose and could be simplified ←
14:35:52 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: project expressions etc. do they affect the update language
Ivan Herman: project expressions etc. do they affect the update language ←
14:35:52 <AxelPolleres> also sounds like an issue.
Axel Polleres: also sounds like an issue. ←
14:35:55 <kjetil_> I think it is quite close to a FP WD, but Last Call is further away
Kjetil Kjernsmo: I think it is quite close to a FP WD, but Last Call is further away ←
14:36:09 <AndyS> +1 to kjetil_
Andy Seaborne: +1 to kjetil_ ←
14:36:14 <LukeWM_> q+
Luke Wilson-Mawer: q+ ←
14:36:23 <AxelPolleres> ack Ivan Herman
Axel Polleres: ack Ivan Herman ←
14:36:24 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: difficut to put as an issue
Ivan Herman: difficut to put as an issue ←
14:36:43 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: whenever we discuss adding to query lang, whether it could affect update
Ivan Herman: whenever we discuss adding to query lang, whether it could affect update ←
14:36:48 <AxelPolleres> ack LukeWM
Axel Polleres: ack LukeWM ←
14:37:07 <SteveH> LukeWM_: I think Ivan Herman has a point, worried about inference, has someone else had expereince
Luke Wilson-Mawer: I think Ivan Herman has a point, worried about inference, has someone else had expereince ←
14:37:28 <SteveH> AndyS: it ruins your post conditions, you can delete triples but still there
Andy Seaborne: it ruins your post conditions, you can delete triples but still there ←
14:37:41 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: what's the equivalent of subquery?
Ivan Herman: what's the equivalent of subquery? ←
14:38:25 <SteveH> AndyS: not sure which way round, "can you have subselects inside" where, and "select which has an insert inside it" or "nested inserts and deletes"
Andy Seaborne: not sure which way round, "can you have subselects inside" where, and "select which has an insert inside it" or "nested inserts and deletes" ←
14:38:32 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: the second one
Ivan Herman: the second one ←
14:39:02 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: we need a draft on the table, in order to get interactions
Axel Polleres: we need a draft on the table, in order to get interactions ←
14:39:16 <SteveH> q?
q? ←
14:39:45 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chime Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:39:45 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted ←
14:39:49 <SteveH> looking for volunteer
looking for volunteer ←
14:40:03 <SteveH> to summarise issues that have come up
to summarise issues that have come up ←
14:40:25 <LukeWM_> +1 to wikipage
Luke Wilson-Mawer: +1 to wikipage ←
14:40:26 <SteveH> ericP: what about a wiki page
Eric Prud'hommeaux: what about a wiki page ←
14:40:28 <SteveH> +1
+1 ←
14:41:09 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: start wikipage on Update issues
ACTION: start wikipage on Update issues ←
14:41:09 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - start
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - start ←
14:41:20 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Luke to start wikipage on Update issues
ACTION: Luke to start wikipage on Update issues ←
14:41:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-63 - Start wikipage on Update issues [on Luke Wilson-Mawer - due 2009-07-28].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-63 - Start wikipage on Update issues [on Luke Wilson-Mawer - due 2009-07-28]. ←
14:42:09 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: timeline towards FPWD, in charter we'll have tight timeline, should have FPWD by end of Sept.
Axel Polleres: timeline towards FPWD, in charter we'll have tight timeline, should have FPWD by end of Sept. ←
14:42:22 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: in next week or so should identify editors
Axel Polleres: in next week or so should identify editors ←
14:42:39 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: base on update submission to draft new document
Axel Polleres: base on update submission to draft new document ←
14:43:02 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: all issues in draft in next few months, need reviewers etc.
Axel Polleres: all issues in draft in next few months, need reviewers etc. ←
14:43:30 <SteveH> need to draft new features in sparql/query
need to draft new features in sparql/query ←
14:43:33 <kjetil_> could we have a straw poll on HTTP REST Update?
Kjetil Kjernsmo: could we have a straw poll on HTTP REST Update? ←
14:43:40 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Template:DesignQL
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Template:DesignQL ←
14:43:55 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: template to help draft extensions
Axel Polleres: template to help draft extensions ←
14:44:07 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: should lead to draft of sparql/query
Axel Polleres: should lead to draft of sparql/query ←
14:44:24 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: volunteers for features
Axel Polleres: volunteers for features ←
14:44:44 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: people championed features, and filed out strawman
Axel Polleres: people championed features, and filed out strawman ←
14:44:56 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: recruit as subsection editors
Axel Polleres: recruit as subsection editors ←
14:45:04 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: do people think that's a good approach
Axel Polleres: do people think that's a good approach ←
14:45:16 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:45:43 <SteveH> might do subquery
might do subquery ←
14:45:49 <SteveH> time permitting
time permitting ←
14:45:54 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:SubSelect
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:SubSelect ←
14:46:30 <kjetil_> I hope to write test cases if we continue our W3C membership
Kjetil Kjernsmo: I hope to write test cases if we continue our W3C membership ←
14:46:33 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: people responsible for those sections
Axel Polleres: people responsible for those sections ←
14:47:19 <SteveH> project expresions...
project expresions... ←
14:47:52 <SteveH> aggregates...
aggregates... ←
14:48:02 <SteveH> chimezie: I'll volunteer
Chime Ogbuji: I'll volunteer ←
14:48:12 <SteveH> first strawman in 2 weeks
first strawman in 2 weeks ←
14:48:15 <SteveH> negation...
negation... ←
14:48:26 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: lots of discussion already
Axel Polleres: lots of discussion already ←
14:48:30 <SteveH> AndyS: will do negation
Andy Seaborne: will do negation ←
14:48:39 <SteveH> ericP: I was about to
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I was about to ←
14:48:59 <SteveH> ericP: project exp. tied closely with subselect
Eric Prud'hommeaux: project exp. tied closely with subselect ←
14:49:15 <SteveH> ericP: it might improve my attitude
Eric Prud'hommeaux: it might improve my attitude ←
14:49:28 <SteveH> ericP to do project expressions
ericP to do project expressions ←
14:49:44 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: plan is to have draft on wiki under templates in 2 weeks
Axel Polleres: plan is to have draft on wiki under templates in 2 weeks ←
14:49:46 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:50:08 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: steve to draft subqueries in template
ACTION: steve to draft subqueries in template ←
14:50:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-64 - Draft subqueries in template [on Steve Harris - due 2009-07-28].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-64 - Draft subqueries in template [on Steve Harris - due 2009-07-28]. ←
14:50:20 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Eric to draft project expressions
ACTION: Eric to draft project expressions ←
14:50:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-65 - Draft project expressions [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-07-28].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-65 - Draft project expressions [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-07-28]. ←
14:50:31 <SteveH> due date is wrong
due date is wrong ←
14:50:32 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: chime to draft aggregates
ACTION: chime to draft aggregates ←
14:50:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-66 - Draft aggregates [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2009-07-28].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-66 - Draft aggregates [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2009-07-28]. ←
14:50:50 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Andy to draft negation
ACTION: Andy to draft negation ←
14:50:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-67 - Draft negation [on Andy Seaborne - due 2009-07-28].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-67 - Draft negation [on Andy Seaborne - due 2009-07-28]. ←
14:51:05 <SteveH> ericP: what form of negation are we talking about?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: what form of negation are we talking about? ←
14:51:11 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: good question
Ivan Herman: good question ←
14:51:19 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: that's not been decided
Axel Polleres: that's not been decided ←
14:51:23 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chime Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
14:51:23 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted ←
14:51:28 <SteveH> ericP: would be decided by who drafted it
Eric Prud'hommeaux: would be decided by who drafted it ←
14:51:40 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: should we discuss it before we draft it out
Axel Polleres: should we discuss it before we draft it out ←
14:52:15 <SteveH> ericP: the working group understands the two problems fairly well, still at wiki stage, until we select one we can't put it into draft
Eric Prud'hommeaux: the working group understands the two problems fairly well, still at wiki stage, until we select one we can't put it into draft ←
14:52:29 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: can we reach agreement on that in the time remaining
Axel Polleres: can we reach agreement on that in the time remaining ←
14:52:57 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: wither draft something pointing out both options, how either would work, or...
Axel Polleres: wither draft something pointing out both options, how either would work, or... ←
14:53:09 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: but could put on agenda for next week
Axel Polleres: but could put on agenda for next week ←
14:53:34 <SteveH> ericP: I prefer to keep sketching in the place where it is now
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I prefer to keep sketching in the place where it is now ←
14:53:41 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Template:DesignQL
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Template:DesignQL ←
14:53:45 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: actions are to put it into design templates
Axel Polleres: actions are to put it into design templates ←
14:53:46 <Zakim> -[Garlik.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[Garlik.a] ←
14:54:04 <SteveH> ericP: prefer not to put it there yet, better to discuss on wiki
Eric Prud'hommeaux: prefer not to put it there yet, better to discuss on wiki ←
14:54:20 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: all the drafts go into feature sketch places?
Axel Polleres: all the drafts go into feature sketch places? ←
14:54:31 <SteveH> ericP: good trackability
Eric Prud'hommeaux: good trackability ←
14:54:49 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: the idea of templates is to bring into existing spec structure
Axel Polleres: the idea of templates is to bring into existing spec structure ←
14:55:17 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: seems that negation is still a bit open, maybe good discussion for next week
Axel Polleres: seems that negation is still a bit open, maybe good discussion for next week ←
14:55:27 <SteveH> AndyS: what are you hoping to achieve
Andy Seaborne: what are you hoping to achieve ←
14:55:34 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: agreement on which way to go
Axel Polleres: agreement on which way to go ←
14:55:45 <SteveH> AndyS: email seemed to peter out
Andy Seaborne: email seemed to peter out ←
14:56:16 <SteveH> AndyS: more support from people not dealing with theory for FILTER, waiting for discussion to complete
Andy Seaborne: more support from people not dealing with theory for FILTER, waiting for discussion to complete ←
14:56:29 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: waiting for clarification
Axel Polleres: waiting for clarification ←
14:56:49 <SteveH> ericP: AndyS was going to write down algebra for FILTER, ericP was going to work out MINUS approach
Eric Prud'hommeaux: AndyS was going to write down algebra for FILTER, ericP was going to work out MINUS approach ←
14:56:55 <SteveH> q+
q+ ←
14:56:56 <AndyS> Andy has done that.
Andy Seaborne: Andy has done that. ←
14:57:14 <SteveH> ericP will do algebra for FILTER approach
ericP will do algebra for FILTER approach ←
14:57:18 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Eric to sketch algebra for minus.
ACTION: Eric to sketch algebra for minus. ←
14:57:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-68 - Sketch algebra for minus. [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-07-28].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-68 - Sketch algebra for minus. [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-07-28]. ←
14:57:40 <SteveH> AndyS: one of the important questions is are there any usecases where MINUS can express things that FILTER can't
Andy Seaborne: one of the important questions is are there any usecases where MINUS can express things that FILTER can't ←
14:57:47 <AxelPolleres> AndyS: Are ther use cases where minus can express what unsaid can't?
Andy Seaborne: Are ther use cases where minus can express what unsaid can't? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:57:52 <SteveH> AndyS: what real usecases are we trying to address
Andy Seaborne: what real usecases are we trying to address ←
14:58:23 <SteveH> ericP: I hear pushback from people who like monotonic from people who like NAF
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I hear pushback from people who like monotonic from people who like NAF ←
14:58:57 <SteveH> ericP: in terms of what you can express, if you do a set minus, where it's close to a relational set minus, then there are a case where !bounds have a particular effect
Eric Prud'hommeaux: in terms of what you can express, if you do a set minus, where it's close to a relational set minus, then there are a case where !bounds have a particular effect ←
14:59:07 <AxelPolleres> Eric, can you point us to the email with the example?
Axel Polleres: Eric, can you point us to the email with the example? ←
14:59:10 <Zakim> +[Garlik.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik.a] ←
14:59:11 <AndyS> q+ to ask where eric heard that
Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask where eric heard that ←
14:59:12 <SteveH> ericP: it comes down to what happens when you've got optionals that aren't bound on the outside
Eric Prud'hommeaux: it comes down to what happens when you've got optionals that aren't bound on the outside ←
14:59:24 <SteveH> ericP: in the general case their identical
Eric Prud'hommeaux: in the general case their identical ←
14:59:35 <AxelPolleres> ack SteveH
Axel Polleres: ack SteveH ←
14:59:53 <LukeWM_> I can scribe for steve ...
Luke Wilson-Mawer: I can scribe for steve ... ←
15:00:02 <Ivan Herman> q+ a side issue for the minutes...
Ivan Herman: q+ a side issue for the minutes... ←
15:00:05 <AxelPolleres> SteveH: people who don't care about theory mostly care about theory?
Steve Harris: people who don't care about theory mostly care about theory? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:00:16 <AxelPolleres> s/about theory/about syntax/
Axel Polleres: s/about theory/about syntax/ ←
15:00:17 <Ivan Herman> q+ to report a side issue before he has to go
Ivan Herman: q+ to report a side issue before he has to go ←
15:00:35 <LukeWM_> AndyS: can you back that up?
Andy Seaborne: can you back that up? [ Scribe Assist by Luke Wilson-Mawer ] ←
15:01:06 <kjetil_> q+ to ask about completion of F&R
Kjetil Kjernsmo: q+ to ask about completion of F&R ←
15:01:28 <SteveH> AndyS: wanted to ask ericP where he was getting pushback from
Andy Seaborne: wanted to ask ericP where he was getting pushback from ←
15:01:37 <SteveH> ericP: from experience of previous WG
Eric Prud'hommeaux: from experience of previous WG ←
15:01:49 <SteveH> ericP: when we have UNSAID we had objections
Eric Prud'hommeaux: when we have UNSAID we had objections ←
15:01:57 <SteveH> AndyS but we didn't have minus at that time
AndyS but we didn't have minus at that time ←
15:02:04 <SteveH> AndyS: but we didn't have minus at that time
Andy Seaborne: but we didn't have minus at that time ←
15:02:15 <SteveH> ericP: it's easier to express that to them as it's this minus that
Eric Prud'hommeaux: it's easier to express that to them as it's this minus that ←
15:02:25 <SteveH> ericP: I think it would be a more appealing algebra
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I think it would be a more appealing algebra ←
15:02:51 <Ivan Herman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2009JulSep/0013.html
Ivan Herman: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2009JulSep/0013.html ←
15:02:52 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: ericP can you elaborate on the usecase differences
Axel Polleres: ericP can you elaborate on the usecase differences ←
15:03:04 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: charter call has just gone out
Ivan Herman: charter call has just gone out ←
15:03:04 <AxelPolleres> Charter call has gone out.
Axel Polleres: Charter call has gone out. ←
15:03:13 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: get your AC reps to vote
Ivan Herman: get your AC reps to vote ←
15:03:18 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:03:22 <Ivan Herman> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
15:03:25 <AndyS> q-
Andy Seaborne: q- ←
15:03:27 <kjetil_> when is the deadline for voting?
Kjetil Kjernsmo: when is the deadline for voting? ←
15:03:29 <kjetil_> ack me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: ack me ←
15:03:29 <Zakim> kjetil_, you wanted to ask about completion of F&R
Zakim IRC Bot: kjetil_, you wanted to ask about completion of F&R ←
15:03:39 <Zakim> -Ivan Herman
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan Herman ←
15:03:39 <AxelPolleres> ack kjetil
Axel Polleres: ack kjetil ←
15:03:41 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
Zakim IRC Bot: -Chimezie_Ogbuji ←
15:03:52 <SteveH> kjetil_: completion of F&R
Kjetil Kjernsmo: completion of F&R ←
15:04:02 <SteveH> kjetil_: do we have any plan for the completion
Kjetil Kjernsmo: do we have any plan for the completion ←
15:04:08 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: on agenda for next time
Axel Polleres: on agenda for next time ←
15:04:25 <SteveH> kjetil_: I'm officialy on vacation next week, but will be there
Kjetil Kjernsmo: I'm officialy on vacation next week, but will be there ←
15:04:35 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: time permitting features
Axel Polleres: time permitting features ←
15:05:15 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: will need to work independently, not spend much telecon time until we've addressed the required features
Axel Polleres: will need to work independently, not spend much telecon time until we've addressed the required features ←
15:05:17 <kjetil_> AxelPolleres: also, would be nice to have a straw-man poll on HTTP RESTful Update :-)
Axel Polleres: also, would be nice to have a straw-man poll on HTTP RESTful Update :-) [ Scribe Assist by Kjetil Kjernsmo ] ←
15:05:37 <kjetil_> AxelPolleres, also, would be nice to have a straw-man poll on HTTP RESTful Update :-)
Kjetil Kjernsmo: AxelPolleres, also, would be nice to have a straw-man poll on HTTP RESTful Update :-) ←
15:05:40 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: have a look at features and consider joining taskforces where you're interested
Axel Polleres: have a look at features and consider joining taskforces where you're interested ←
15:05:58 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: RESTful updates, we have to discuss
Axel Polleres: RESTful updates, we have to discuss ←
15:06:01 <SteveH> next week
next week ←
15:06:13 <Zakim> -SimonKJ
Zakim IRC Bot: -SimonKJ ←
15:06:15 <Zakim> -john-l
Zakim IRC Bot: -john-l ←
15:06:16 <Zakim> -[Garlik]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[Garlik] ←
15:06:18 <Zakim> -[Garlik.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[Garlik.a] ←
15:06:19 <Zakim> -alepas
Zakim IRC Bot: -alepas ←
15:06:28 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
15:06:51 <AndyS> http://jena.sourceforge.net/ARQ/service.html
Andy Seaborne: http://jena.sourceforge.net/ARQ/service.html ←
15:07:05 <Zakim> -Prateek
Zakim IRC Bot: -Prateek ←
15:07:40 <SteveH> AxelPolleres, what needs to be done to make the minutes visible?
AxelPolleres, what needs to be done to make the minutes visible? ←
15:10:22 <AndyS> SERVICE <http://sparql.org/books>
Andy Seaborne: SERVICE <http://sparql.org/books> ←
15:10:22 <AndyS> { pattern }
Andy Seaborne: { pattern } ←
15:10:56 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to update deadlines of design draft actions.
ACTION: Axel to update deadlines of design draft actions. ←
15:10:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Update deadlines of design draft actions. [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-07-28].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-69 - Update deadlines of design draft actions. [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-07-28]. ←
15:10:56 <AndyS> FETCH <http://sparql.org/booksGraph>
Andy Seaborne: FETCH <http://sparql.org/booksGraph> ←
15:11:06 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, list attendees
Axel Polleres: Zakim, list attendees ←
15:11:06 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +3539149aaaa, +7.441.173.70.aabb, AxelPolleres, john-l, EricP, +7.441.173.70.aacc, AndyS, +200000aaee, alepas, kasei, bglimm, Ivan Herman,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been +3539149aaaa, +7.441.173.70.aabb, AxelPolleres, john-l, EricP, +7.441.173.70.aacc, AndyS, +200000aaee, alepas, kasei, bglimm, Ivan Herman, ←
15:11:09 <Zakim> ... SimonKJ, SteveH, LukeWM_, Chimezie_Ogbuji, kjetil, Prateek, [Garlik]
Zakim IRC Bot: ... SimonKJ, SteveH, LukeWM_, Chimezie_Ogbuji, kjetil, Prateek, [Garlik] ←
15:11:18 <AndyS> FETCH ?g
Andy Seaborne: FETCH ?g ←
15:11:59 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, draft minutes
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
15:11:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-sparql-minutes.html AxelPolleres
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-sparql-minutes.html AxelPolleres ←
15:12:07 <AndyS> http://seaborne.blogspot.com/2008/10/walking-web.html
Andy Seaborne: http://seaborne.blogspot.com/2008/10/walking-web.html ←
15:12:11 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make minutes public
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make minutes public ←
15:12:11 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', AxelPolleres. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', AxelPolleres. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
15:12:30 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make public minutes
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make public minutes ←
15:12:30 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make public minutes ', AxelPolleres. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'make public minutes ', AxelPolleres. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
15:13:13 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public ←
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