19:44:04 RRSAgent has joined #ssn 19:44:04 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/12/22-ssn-irc 19:44:06 RRSAgent, make logs world 19:44:06 Zakim has joined #ssn 19:44:08 Zakim, this will be 7769 19:44:08 ok, trackbot; I see INC_SSN()3:00PM scheduled to start in 16 minutes 19:44:09 Meeting: Semantic Sensor Network Incubator Group Teleconference 19:44:09 Date: 22 December 2009 19:44:28 Regrets: Kevin, Oscar, Payam, Simon 19:44:40 agenda+ Roll call 19:44:46 agenda+ Issue 3 19:44:53 agenda+ XG Report 19:45:00 agenda+ Issue 2 19:45:06 agenda+ AOB 19:45:16 Chair: Holger 19:51:01 INC_SSN()3:00PM has now started 19:51:08 +??P3 19:51:26 zakim, who's on the phone? 19:51:26 On the phone I see ??P3 19:51:38 zakim, ??P3 is me 19:51:38 +Holger; got it 19:52:10 + +1.206.662.aaaa 19:52:54 kelsey has joined #ssn 19:55:44 krzysztof_j has joined #ssn 20:00:36 laurent_oz has joined #ssn 20:01:12 zakim, who's on the phone? 20:01:12 On the phone I see Holger, +1.206.662.aaaa 20:01:22 Arthur has joined #ssn 20:01:45 +??P6 20:01:52 +[IPcaller] 20:02:02 Laurent just joined 20:02:03 +??P7 20:02:05 +??P9 20:02:08 michael has joined #ssn 20:02:17 -??P9 20:02:32 +??P9 20:02:33 Manfred_DERI has joined #ssn 20:02:33 + +1.202.408.aabb 20:02:46 zakim, ??P9 is me 20:02:46 +Arthur; got it 20:03:17 zakim, ??P7 is me 20:03:17 +krzysztof_j; got it 20:03:18 +??P11 20:03:30 zakim, ??P11 is me 20:03:30 +michael; got it 20:03:50 zakim, +1.202.408.aabb is me 20:03:50 +Manfred_DERI; got it 20:03:57 Bermudez_Luis has joined #ssn 20:04:27 kerry has joined #ssn 20:04:48 + +61.4.097.8.aacc 20:05:29 zakim, who's on the phone? 20:05:29 On the phone I see Holger, +1.206.662.aaaa, ??P6, [IPcaller], krzysztof_j, Arthur, Manfred_DERI, michael, +61.4.097.8.aacc 20:06:03 agenda? 20:06:12 zakim, [IPcaller] is me 20:06:12 +Manfred_DERI; got it 20:06:30 zakim, +61.4.097.8.aacc is me 20:06:30 +kerry; got it 20:08:02 david has joined #ssn 20:09:33 ScribeNick: krzysztof_j 20:11:08 I said my bit on the mailing list 20:13:06 kerry: use cases should overlap, structuring into modules may not be helpful 20:13:12 -1 20:13:16 +1 20:13:18 -1 20:13:26 -1 20:13:32 -1 20:13:55 -1 20:13:58 -1 20:14:10 david has left #ssn 20:14:13 david has joined #ssn 20:14:43 action: close module issue 20:14:43 Sorry, couldn't find user - close 20:15:14 action: laurent_oz to close module issue 20:15:14 Sorry, couldn't find user - laurent_oz 20:16:33 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/XGR/ 20:17:24 kerry: extension for incubator group may be difficult to get 20:17:37 +??P0 20:18:41 action: all to contribute to the (final) report 20:18:41 Sorry, couldn't find user - all 20:18:51 +q 20:19:05 ack Manfred_DERI 20:19:18 manfred: could we define an outline and propose names 20:20:13 Danh_DERI has joined #ssn 20:21:07 holger: check the reports at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/XGR/ for inspiration 20:21:42 holger: next topic --> discussion on the basic concepts of the O&M ontology 20:22:20 + +1.650.450.aadd 20:23:17 zakim, who's making noise? 20:23:30 Holger, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (22%), kerry (3%) 20:23:45 +q 20:23:46 zakim, who's on the phone? 20:23:47 On the phone I see Holger, +1.206.662.aaaa, ??P6, Manfred_DERI.a, krzysztof_j, Arthur, Manfred_DERI, michael, kerry, ??P0, +1.650.450.aadd 20:23:47 michael reports on O&M ontology 20:24:04 zakim, mute ??P0 20:24:04 ??P0 should now be muted 20:24:21 +q 20:25:45 zakim, who's making noise? 20:25:57 Holger, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: michael (78%) 20:26:14 zakim, who's making noise? 20:26:32 Holger, listening for 17 seconds I heard sound from the following: kerry (72%) 20:26:48 ack kerry 20:27:06 - +1.650.450.aadd 20:27:15 ack laurent_oz 20:27:52 no can't hear you 20:29:15 Two meanings for sensor (cleared in email thread), process (cleared in email thread), and device (generic product vs. instrument) 20:29:17 +q 20:29:48 my sound keeps dropping out - anyone else??? 20:30:21 sound quality is bad but no dropouts here 20:30:29 Terms I use are defined here: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SWE_terms 20:30:30 +q 20:30:31 my sound's fine 20:30:34 manfred: same for me 20:30:38 same from my side 20:30:50 ack krzysztof_j 20:30:59 i can't hear well enough 20:31:27 luis: vote on "systems and processes are not connected (in the ontology)" 20:31:57 +q 20:32:13 ack Bermudez_Luis 20:32:36 options 20:32:37 (1) Process <= System 20:32:38 +q 20:32:39 (2) System <= Process 20:32:40 (3) state nothing 20:32:42 (4) Process disjoing System 20:33:02 ack michael 20:33:19 manfred: go for (3) for the moment 20:33:24 +1 for (3) 20:34:12 http://etherpad.com/zyMhasUHgf 20:34:25 holger: who agrees on (3)? 20:34:46 ack Manfred_DERI 20:34:56 +1 20:35:05 kerry: option 3 for the moment or as stable solution 20:35:11 +1 20:35:45 +1 20:35:46 +1 20:35:48 +1 20:36:02 +1 20:36:05 +1 20:36:12 +1 20:36:32 +1 for (3) 20:36:33 Has anyone noticed my ideas on core ontology vs. presentation ontology? Can we do (4) in the core and keep (3) for the presentation ontology 20:36:45 +q 20:36:47 +q 20:36:49 =q 20:37:36 kelsey has joined #ssn 20:37:42 ack michael 20:38:04 +q 20:38:20 michael: human sensors = observers 20:38:56 =q 20:40:35 kelsey has left #ssn 20:40:39 ack Manfred_DERI 20:41:01 david has joined #ssn 20:41:04 -q 20:42:11 +q 20:42:34 Manfred question: do we need obsever? 20:42:42 manfred: sensing is a process and a sensor implements the process 20:43:34 ack Bermudez_Luis 20:43:42 ack kerry 20:44:33 +q 20:46:18 +q 20:46:21 -q 20:46:25 ack Manfred_DERI 20:51:09 MAnfred: what is a AdHocObserver? 20:54:07 +q 20:54:58 +q 20:56:34 kerry has joined #ssn 20:56:45 ack Bermudez_Luis 20:58:12 +q 20:58:25 ack michael 21:00:57 zakim, unmute ??P0 21:00:57 ??P0 should no longer be muted 21:01:23 ack Danh_DERI 21:02:03 i can'thear danh 21:04:39 +q 21:05:36 +q 21:06:31 I am sorry, but I will have to drop out in 10min the latest 21:06:58 ack Bermudez_Luis 21:09:25 ack michael 21:12:27 +q 21:12:30 michael: rename the class names ( we have too much connotations for the *terms/labels*) 21:13:23 holger: do we agree on the structure? 21:13:34 me: difficult to answer 21:13:53 +q 21:14:17 +q 21:15:10 but then we need short definitions (at the moment these issues are distributed over many mails, maybe use the wiki for it?) 21:16:11 +q 21:16:51 good idea 21:16:55 I think I'd try to remove Observer 21:17:11 +1 on having textual definitions *every time* 21:17:29 too many people had problems with it - I'll try to think of a better word 21:17:46 simple stucture and definitions 21:17:49 +1 21:17:54 +1 21:17:55 +1 21:17:59 + 21:18:43 next meeting!? 21:19:46 Merry X-mas to everyone!! 21:19:54 AN a Happy New Year! 21:19:59 -Manfred_DERI 21:20:00 -Manfred_DERI.a 21:20:01 - +1.206.662.aaaa 21:20:02 merry X-mas and happy new year 21:20:02 bye 21:20:02 -Arthur 21:20:03 Merry Cristmas ... ho ho ho 21:20:04 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Review_of_semantic_annotation_proposals 21:20:13 Arthur has left #ssn 21:20:14 -michael 21:20:14 Manfred_DERI has left #ssn 21:20:14 and have a great holiday! 21:20:18 bye 21:20:48 -kerry 21:20:57 zakim, bye 21:20:57 leaving. As of this point the attendees were Holger, +1.206.662.aaaa, Arthur, krzysztof_j, michael, Manfred_DERI, kerry, +1.650.450.aadd 21:20:57 Zakim has left #ssn 21:21:06 rrsagent, make log public 21:21:15 rrsagent, draft minutes 21:21:15 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/22-ssn-minutes.html Holger 21:21:28 rrsagent, bye 21:21:28 I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/22-ssn-actions.rdf : 21:21:28 ACTION: close module issue [1] 21:21:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/22-ssn-irc#T20-14-43 21:21:28 ACTION: laurent_oz to close module issue [2] 21:21:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/22-ssn-irc#T20-15-14 21:21:28 ACTION: all to contribute to the (final) report [3] 21:21:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/22-ssn-irc#T20-18-41