14:54:20 RRSAgent has joined #sparql 14:54:20 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/12/22-sparql-irc 14:54:20 No zakim. 14:54:29 Zakim has joined #sparql 14:54:37 zakim, who is on the phone? 14:54:37 sorry, AndyS, I don't know what conference this is 14:54:38 On IRC I see RRSAgent, kasei, AxelPolleres, AndyS, ottela, OlivierCorby, SteveH_, pgearon, LeeF, karl, iv_an_ru, AlexPassant, KjetilK, trackbot, sandro 14:54:50 zakim, this will be SPARQL 14:54:50 ok, AndyS, I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM already started 14:54:56 zakim, who is on the phone? 14:54:56 On the phone I see [IPcaller] 14:55:05 zakim, [IPcaller] is me 14:55:05 +AndyS; got it 14:55:10 trackbot, start meeting 14:55:12 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:55:14 Zakim, this will be 77277 14:55:14 ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes 14:55:15 Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference 14:55:15 Date: 22 December 2009 14:55:46 SteveH_ (again!) you don't store http://myserver/store/http://foo as the graph name do you? You strip the http://myserver/store/ ? 14:56:39 regrets: TommiK, BirteG 14:57:02 kjetil? 14:57:10 AndyS, that's correct 14:58:15 +??P5 14:58:20 Zakim, ??P5 is SteveH_ 14:58:20 +SteveH_; got it 14:58:34 +??P6 14:58:39 Zakim, P6 is me 14:58:39 sorry, kasei, I do not recognize a party named 'P6' 14:58:45 Zakim, ??P6 is me 14:58:45 +kasei; got it 14:58:47 +pgearon 14:58:56 Zakim, mute me 14:58:56 kasei should now be muted 14:59:12 + +49.238.aaaa 14:59:17 +[IPcaller] 14:59:21 zakim, IPcaller is me 14:59:21 +LeeF; got it 14:59:34 49.238.aaaa is Olivier 14:59:40 zakim, aaaa is OlivierCorby 14:59:40 +OlivierCorby; got it 15:00:13 Souri has joined #sparql 15:00:14 +??P10 15:00:19 Zakim, ??P10 is me 15:00:19 +AlexPassant; got it 15:00:20 MattPerry has joined #sparql 15:00:25 Zakim, who is on the phone? 15:00:25 On the phone I see AndyS, Axel, SteveH_, kasei (muted), pgearon, OlivierCorby, LeeF, AlexPassant 15:00:31 +Sandro 15:00:47 +Souri 15:00:58 http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-12-22 15:01:08 +??P13 15:01:28 zakim, ??P13 is MattPerry 15:01:28 +MattPerry; got it 15:03:04 scribe: OlivierCorby 15:04:22 topic: admin 15:04:29 PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-15 15:04:47 RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-15 15:05:11 Axel: Next meeting Jan 5. 15:05:11 topic: comments 15:05:43 Topic: Liasons 15:06:53 souri: rdb2rdf news... nothing new, presentations of initial input 15:07:08 topic: action review 15:07:24 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0657.html 15:07:44 RDB2RDF: last week we had a presentation on OKKAM 15:08:28 http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/134 15:09:17 q+ 15:09:21 +??P14 15:09:38 Zakim, ??P14 is me 15:09:38 +KjetilK; got it 15:09:53 "What does X mean?" is not an issue if X doesn't exist 15:10:06 -AlexPassant 15:12:55 http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml#sec_security 15:13:03 Close ACTION-134 15:13:03 ACTION-134 And Andy to figure out what happens with SELECT ( _:b1 AS ?blank) closed 15:13:47 +??P10 15:13:54 Zakim, ??P10 is me 15:13:54 +AlexPassant; got it 15:13:54 ACTION-135 is on me, not Paul 15:14:33 we have closed 135, we are on action 136, sorry for confusion. 15:14:52 Close ACTION-135 15:14:52 ACTION-135 Summarize Query security issues in security section once document has been merged closed 15:16:53 ACTION: Paul to link the ISSUE-19 in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml#sec_security and start email discussion. 15:16:53 Created ACTION-156 - Link the ISSUE-19 in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml#sec_security and start email discussion. [on Paul Gearon - due 2009-12-29]. 15:17:35 thread http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0551.html 15:17:35 closes ACTION-144 15:17:42 close ACTION-144 15:17:42 ACTION-144 Start conversation in an email closed 15:18:05 close ACTION-154 15:18:05 ACTION-154 Work with Birte to figure out video conference facilities for F2F3 closed 15:19:02 topic: Review Document Review Readiness 15:19:16 summary: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0651.html 15:20:03 query document: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml 15:20:54 some general layout problems. 15:21:31 discussion about example standards. 15:21:55 sandro will start email discusssion on that. 15:22:16 andy? 15:22:52 AndyS: can be reviewed, we still try to get some more text in 15:23:17 steveH: will not get in more, but hapy with reviews. 15:23:31 s/with/for/ 15:23:37 AndyS: The stylesheet problems are a barrier. 15:24:23 query Reviewers: Birte, Matt Souri, Axel 15:24:59 I said last week that we'd clean that up as part of the publication process 15:25:22 +1 to sandro 15:25:41 ACTION: Birte to review query editors' draft 15:25:41 Created ACTION-157 - Review query editors' draft [on Birte Glimm - due 2009-12-29]. 15:25:47 ACTION: Matthew to review query editors' draft 15:25:47 Created ACTION-158 - Review query editors' draft [on Matthew Perry - due 2009-12-29]. 15:25:51 ACTION: Souri to review query editors' draft 15:25:51 Sorry, couldn't find user - Souri 15:25:54 ACTION: Axel to review query editors' draft 15:25:54 Created ACTION-159 - Review query editors' draft [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-12-29]. 15:26:04 sdas2? 15:26:20 sandro: I suggest having a detailed changelog in at #changelog in an appendix, with a section for each version, and then having a one-sentence version of it in the SOTD. 15:26:29 Souri, you don't exist :) 15:26:34 ACTION: sdas2 to review query editors' draft 15:26:34 Created ACTION-160 - Review query editors' draft [on Souripriya Das - due 2009-12-29]. 15:26:36 Oh Oh 15:27:10 http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml 15:27:36 will be ready for review later today 15:28:11 update Reviewers: AndyS, Axel 15:28:13 AndyS: Already reviewed update doc, but will look at hcanges as well 15:28:23 action: Axel to review update editors' draft 15:28:23 Created ACTION-161 - Review update editors' draft [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-12-29]. 15:29:08 Zakim, mute me 15:29:08 KjetilK should now be muted 15:29:10 http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ 15:29:45 Lee: david is now on CVS, we work on WSDL at the moment. 15:29:57 LeeF: David will update WSDL which is central 15:30:06 ... come up with examples, issues, update return. 15:30:09 Prateek has joined #sparql 15:30:24 zakim, mute me 15:30:24 Souri should now be muted 15:30:29 +satya 15:30:38 Zakim,satya is Prateek 15:30:38 +Prateek; got it 15:31:34 let's revisit protocol in the next TCs and decide on schedule then 15:31:44 http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/ 15:31:47 Zakim, unmute me 15:31:47 kasei should no longer be muted 15:32:03 Service description Reviewers: David, Alex, Axel 15:32:32 I sent some comments this morning 15:32:39 That sounds perfect to me 15:33:50 let's decide over the changelog issue in the publication process and unify it (chairs) 15:33:59 zakim, unmute me 15:33:59 Souri should no longer be muted 15:34:29 action: David to review service description editors' draft 15:34:29 Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - David 15:34:29 Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. dcharbon2, dnewman2) 15:34:36 action: dcharbon2 to review service description editors' draft 15:34:37 Created ACTION-162 - Review service description editors' draft [on David Charboneau - due 2009-12-29]. 15:34:44 action: Alex to review service description editors' draft 15:34:44 Created ACTION-163 - Review service description editors' draft [on Alexandre Passant - due 2009-12-29]. 15:34:47 action: Axel to review service description editors' draft 15:34:47 Created ACTION-164 - Review service description editors' draft [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-12-29]. 15:36:33 Zakim, mute me 15:36:33 kasei should now be muted 15:36:59 http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml 15:37:15 entailment Reviewers: Ivan, Axel 15:38:00 http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ 15:38:28 action: Ivan Herman to review entailment editors' draft 15:38:28 Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Ivan 15:38:28 Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail) 15:38:36 action: ivan to review entailment editors' draft 15:38:36 Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ivan 15:38:36 Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail) 15:39:10 http upfate reviewers reviewers: AndyS, LeeF, Axel 15:39:11 action: Axel to review entailment editors' draft 15:39:11 Created ACTION-165 - Review entailment editors' draft [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-12-29]. 15:40:10 http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml 15:40:10 topic:property paths 15:40:13 http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml 15:40:29 action: Andy to review http update editor's draft 15:40:29 Created ACTION-166 - Review http update editor's draft [on Andy Seaborne - due 2009-12-29]. 15:40:35 action: Lee to review http update editor's draft 15:40:35 Created ACTION-167 - Review http update editor's draft [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-12-29]. 15:40:38 action: Axel to review http update editor's draft 15:40:38 Created ACTION-168 - Review http update editor's draft [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-12-29]. 15:40:53 I already reviewed it with an eye towards FPWD. 15:40:58 But will complete a longer review as well. 15:41:29 action: Lee to review property path editor's draft for FPWD 15:41:29 Created ACTION-169 - Review property path editor's draft for FPWD [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-12-29]. 15:41:42 action: ivan to review property path editor's draft for FPWD 15:41:42 Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ivan 15:41:42 Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail) 15:42:13 action: ivanh to review entailment editors' draft 15:42:13 Sorry, couldn't find user - ivanh 15:42:22 action: herman to review entailment editors' draft 15:42:22 Created ACTION-170 - Review entailment editors' draft [on Ivan Herman - due 2009-12-29]. 15:42:39 action: herman to review property path editor's draft 15:42:39 Created ACTION-171 - Review property path editor's draft [on Ivan Herman - due 2009-12-29]. 15:42:42 can we discuss ISSUE-48? 15:42:56 RRSAgent, make log public 15:43:04 action: sdas2 to review property path editor's draft 15:43:04 Zakim, unmute me 15:43:04 KjetilK should no longer be muted 15:43:05 Created ACTION-172 - Review property path editor's draft [on Souripriya Das - due 2009-12-29]. 15:43:36 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/ 15:44:36 Matt: looks that my comments on propertypaths didn't go through to the list 15:45:13 q+ 15:45:20 q- 15:45:33 ack KjetilK 15:45:36 http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/48 15:46:05 MattPerry, It *was* held up for staff approval as possible spam --- I just approved it. 15:46:42 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0644.html 15:46:42 ? 15:49:03 and FILTER? 15:50:14 what's the issue with FILTERs in update? 15:50:28 a FILTER with a (NOT) EXISTS in it in the abbr. syntax would be very strange 15:50:50 Example to discuss: DELETE { ?x :p ?v FILTER (?v > 23) } 15:51:07 well, it is only an abbreviated syntax 15:51:15 so for hard cases like that you can write it in full 15:51:46 Paul: current proposal shortcut only when DELETE and WHERE are identical, not with FILTERs 15:52:01 ... Ansy says that it is semantically not critical. 15:52:41 I pointed out there are no problems - wasn't the only one for it. 15:52:49 s/Ansy/Andy/ 15:53:09 -AlexPassant 15:53:55 I like keeping FILTER out 15:54:05 +??P2 15:54:08 Zakim, ??P2 is me 15:54:08 +AlexPassant; got it 15:55:25 -Souri 15:55:29 -Axel 15:55:29 cheers, everyone 15:55:30 -SteveH_ 15:55:31 -AlexPassant 15:55:32 -Sandro 15:55:34 -LeeF 15:55:34 -MattPerry 15:55:38 -OlivierCorby 15:55:42 -Prateek 15:55:45 -pgearon 15:55:55 Axel: I guess if someone *wants* FILTERs to be in the abbreviated update syntax, please post a review to the list! 15:56:00 Bye KjetilK 15:56:02 Bye to KjetilK and good luck 15:56:02 -KjetilK 15:56:04 -kasei 15:56:14 thanks, AndyS and pgearon! 15:56:15 -AndyS 15:56:17 SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended 15:56:18 Attendees were AndyS, Axel, SteveH_, kasei, pgearon, +49.238.aaaa, LeeF, OlivierCorby, AlexPassant, Sandro, Souri, MattPerry, KjetilK, Prateek 15:57:06 Kjetil, good luck indeed, we should have said thank you in the TC! 16:00:16 RRSAGENT, make log public 16:05:56 OlivierCorby has left #sparql 17:27:08 AxelPolleres has left #sparql 17:31:56 AxelPolleres has joined #sparql 18:04:47 AxelPolleres has joined #sparql 18:27:45 LeeF_ has joined #sparql 18:36:08 Zakim has left #sparql 18:43:36 happy holidays, zakim