IRC log of mw4d on 2009-12-21

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12:51:15 [steph]
zakim, this will be MW4D
12:51:15 [Zakim]
ok, steph; I see MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
12:51:35 [steph]
Meeting:MW4D IG bi-monthly meeting
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present: steph
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Scribe: steph
12:58:35 [steph]
zakim, coe ?
12:58:35 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, steph.
12:58:38 [steph]
zakim, code ?
12:58:38 [Zakim]
the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+ tel:+44.117.370.6152), steph
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MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM has now started
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13:01:50 [steph]
betty, is it you on line ?
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Yup. It's Betty.
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I need to check the microphone.
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+ +999976aaaa
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zakim, aaaa is Arun
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+Arun; got it
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+ +31.31.2799.aabb
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zakim, aabb is renjish
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+renjish; got it
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zakim, ??P3 is Betty
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+Betty; got it
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zakim, ??P4 is Ken*
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+Ken*; got it
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Topic: approval of last meeting minutes
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Topic: update on roadmap publication
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republished as dec 8 with pdf version
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Topic: discussion on the future of MW4D
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renjish: extension ?
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steph: yes the group has been extended till of february
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steph: current charter til the end of feb and then new charter for another 12 months
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13:25:28 [ArunKumar]
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ken: ok pretty good
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you did a great great job
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ack arunkumar
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arun: 2 things missing
13:27:16 [steph]
how do we link with the goals of the Web Foundation
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what is the concrete outcome we are expecting
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13:31:39 [nicolas]
hi all, nicolas here, will follow via IRC
13:32:14 [steph]
hi nicolas
13:34:50 [steph]
renhish: add value to what exists already
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renjish: what is our goal exactly
13:38:10 [steph]
steph: objectives not a repository but a landscaoe analysis
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renjish: should be clarified
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we should mention it somethwere
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avoid discussion that there is nothing new
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differencing information from insight
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ken: we should clarify exactly how we differ from others
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should be clear how we differentiate
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ken: analysis of the landscape and decide how to measure them
13:40:18 [kiwanja]
13:41:20 [steph]
few people answering the poll
13:41:50 [steph]
this would open the domain
13:42:02 [steph]
not sure you would get cooperation from others
13:42:08 [betty]
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ack betty
13:42:29 [steph]
betty: agreed
13:42:35 [betty]
How to grow & maintain community of MW4D application developers & other actors. Most of them may not join the MW4D group. How to encourage them to share their knowledge. Ken is very good at it :) But developers in developing countries tend not to write documentation. If they write, they usually write in their mother tongues, which are mostly not well-known la
13:42:41 [kiwanja]
(sorry, didn't add myself to the queue!)
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13:43:22 [steph]
betty: issue people are not joining
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not everyone joins MW4D group, so we need to bring others in somehow
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not all mobile/development people are good at sharing and explaining their work
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(both via betty)
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i think we need to figure out how me motivate people to engage - what's in it for them? etc
13:45:34 [kiwanja]
may also need to engage users, rather than just developers/development 'experts'
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(via steph)
13:46:00 [steph]
ken: motivation is key
13:46:26 [steph]
not that much group which are successfull
13:46:29 [nicolas]
might be also in the way we develop these apps (co-design, co-creation)
13:46:37 [steph]
even mobileactive, lots of follower few contributors
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no real successful community
13:47:39 [kiwanja]
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ack steph
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ack ken
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ack kiwanja
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13:49:31 [steph]
ken: very few people are publicly meeting
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ken: nobody is supporting it
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so it collapses
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only technical community are active
13:51:03 [kiwanja]
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this is where your go for support
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or getting info
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ken: mobile community
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how active it is is the point
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building a community around tools better than around mobile
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renjish: a discussion forum might be better
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maybe people woulod be more active
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having more than 10 people to contribute
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is a challenge
13:55:15 [kiwanja]
the best forums put out controversial subjects which then encourages people to argue their point. general discussions have little motivation for many people...
13:55:26 [steph]
good to have a better involvment of the people on the mailig-list
13:55:27 [kiwanja]
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ken: agreed
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renjish: critical mass needed to create value to the discussion
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ken: look at others how they work
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ken: you have to be provocative
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renjish: coming to the community with discussions
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not being informative only
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lively debate on the phone
14:01:44 [betty]
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Motivation to keep a community alive: provide specific technical supports, be provocative or controversial.
14:02:12 [steph]
rrsagent, make log public
14:02:56 [nicolas2]
extend also to non-technical topics? business model? scaling up strategy?
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Topic: NExt meeting
14:03:42 [betty]
Jan 4 will be OK.
14:03:42 [Renjish]
14:03:44 [steph]
January 4
14:03:45 [ArunKumar]
Fine with me
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14:04:09 [betty]
Merry Xmas, Happy New Year, Happy Holiday :)
14:04:22 [ArunKumar]
New Year and Merry Christmas to all !
14:04:22 [Zakim]
14:04:24 [ArunKumar]
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14:04:27 [Renjish]
wishing all a very happy xmas and new year 2010
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14:04:29 [betty]
14:04:33 [steph]
Nicolas: feel free to send a mail to the list
14:04:34 [Zakim]
14:04:42 [steph]
with some ideas along the lines you mentionned
14:04:48 [nicolas2]
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(buseiness model, scaling up)
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we could discuss it during next conf
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate steph
14:05:11 [nicolas2]
will do
14:05:21 [Zakim]
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MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
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Attendees were steph, +999976aaaa, Arun, +31.31.2799.aabb, renjish, Betty, Ken*
14:05:25 [kiwanja]
joyeaux noel steph!
14:05:41 [steph]
joyeux noel !
14:06:02 [nicolas2]
de meme a l'annee prochaine
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