IRC log of xproc on 2009-12-17

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Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
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Date: 17 Dec 2009
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Meeting: 162
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Chair: Norm
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Scribe: Norm
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ScribeNick: Norm
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Zakim, this is xproc
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ok, PGrosso; that matches XML_PMWG()11:00AM
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zakim, please call ht-781
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ok, ht; the call is being made
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Zakim, who's on the phone?
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On the phone I see PGrosso, Ht, Norm
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Zakim, who's making noise?
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Norm, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Norm (63%), Ht (27%)
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Zakim, what is the code ?
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Zakim, who's making noise?
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the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+ tel:+44.117.370.6152), MoZ
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Norm, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ht (49%)
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+ +95247aaaa
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Zakim, aaaa is me
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+MoZ; got it
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Zakim, who's on the phone?
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On the phone I see PGrosso, Ht, Norm, MoZ
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Present: Norm, Paul, Henry, Mohamed
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Topic: Accept this agenda?
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Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
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Topic: Next meeting: telcon, 7 Jan 2010
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Present: Norm, Paul, Henry, Mohamed, Vojtech
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No regrets heard.
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Topic: Status of the editor's draft
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Norm attempts to summarize.
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Norm: I'm afraid we're in a state where we can continue tinkering or do the last call. I think we should just do the last call.
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Henry: Go for it.
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Topic: CR issues
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Let's see if we can close a couple more
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Topic: Version attribute issues
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Norm summarizes.
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Norm: For the purpose of determining pipeline version, it only occurs on p:declare-step, p:pipeline, and p:library.
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Vojtech: What if we want to provide more control in V2?
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Henry: Why would we do that, and if we did, we'd have to use a different name. That seems simpler.
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Norm: I can live with that.
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Proposal: version on p:xslt isn't a conflict because XProc version is only on the three elements named above.
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Topic: 193 p:http-request authentication concerns
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Henry: The world is moving faster than RFC2617 so maybe we want to make things looser.
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Vojtech: I think so too.
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...We need to change the text and he'd like to reserve the method 'token'.
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Norm: I think it's reasonable to think that's what 'token' will mean, but we can't standardize that before it's done.
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Vojtech: So if someone uses token in the meantime, that's their problem.
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Norm: I think so.
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Proposal: Make the authentication language looser as suggested.
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Topic: 171 Default binding for variable, option, and parameters.
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Norm summarizes.
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Topic: 187 No media type
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General agreement that we agreed we *would* do it.
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Mohamed: We agreed to do this in August.
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Proposal: Define application/xproc+xml
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Henry: Yes, and both pipeline and libraries should be served with that type.
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Norm: And we'll say that it has the same fragid syntax as application/xml, per 3023bis
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Topic: Options whose names conflict
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Norm: In 4.8.1 we say that it isn't an error, you just can't use the shortcut syntax to specify values for them.
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Topic: Realistic publication plans
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Norm: I'll try to have something by Monday, otherwise definitely by 4 January.
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Proposal: The editor is authorized to publish the next editor's draft with which he is satisfied.
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...As a new Last Call WD
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Topic: Any other business?
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Henry: I'm not prepared to lead a discussion now, but the TAG briefly discussed our default processing model.
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Henry: There was one time-sensitive bit of conversation. If you really think it's *the* one, then it should be referenced from 3023bis.
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Norm: Yeah, that doesn't sound unreasonable.
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Henry: It would be unreasonable for 3023bis to say that you *should* do this, but it might want to point helpfully at it.
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Henry: We might, for example, want to do that in our description of the application/xproc+xml media type.
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Norm: I don't want to delay Chris, but I suppose if there's time it's worth doing.
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Henry: I think the right thing to do is discuss it explicitly at the 7 Jan meeting and see if the WG has consensus that we should publish it as a LC draft.
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Norm: Makes sense to me.
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RRSAgent, set logs world visible
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate Norm
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Attendees were PGrosso, Ht, Norm, +95247aaaa, MoZ, Vojtech
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