IRC log of wam on 2009-12-17

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Meeting: Widgets Voice Conference
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Date: 17 December 2009
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Chair: Art
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Regrets: Marcin
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Present: Art, Arve, Josh, Marcos, Frederick, AndyB
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Topic: Review and tweak agenda
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AB: yesterday I submitted the draft agenda for today ( ). The meeting will end at the end of this hour at the latest. Any change requests?
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[ no ]
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Topic: Announcements
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AB: the only announcement I have is the next call is 7 January 2010. Any other short annoucements?
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AB: any others?
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Topic: Widget DigSig spec: test suite status
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AB: the Test Suite wiki ( ) contains some info about DigSig. What is the status of the DigSig test suite?
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MC: I have not been working on it
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... Kai and Dom started
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... but they haven't done anything in the last two months
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AB: does any anticipate participating in this test suite?
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MC: yes; expect Opera to contribute tests next year
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... but there is a lot of work to do
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... must go thru ever assertion in the spec
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... and create a test case
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... Not sure how much has been done by Kai and Dom
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... perhaps they have discussed it in the MWTS WG
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... The spec isn't written the same way P&C is so it's a bit more work to generate test assertions
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ACTION: barstow to follow-up with MWTS WG re the Widget DigSig test suite re their plans, status, etc.
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Created ACTION-471 - Follow-up with MWTS WG re the Widget DigSig test suite re their plans, status, etc. [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-12-24].
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AB: I'll plan to provide an update re MWTS on Jan 7
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MC: I'll also follow-up with Kai
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Present+ Robin
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AB: anyone else on DigSig test suite for today?
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Topic: Widget DigSig spec: implementation status
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AB: the Implementation wiki ( ) contains some info about DigSig. Is there any other Public info about DigSig implementations we can add?
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AB: is there anything else to add here?
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what do we need to do with andreas?
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AB: anything else on this topic for today?
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FH: I think Andreas is asking for some help
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... he is looking for a CA
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... perhaps there is some process that needs to start
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... I'm not quite sure how W3C would work with him
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AB: is there anything from previoius XML DigSig interop that can be used?
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FH: just use openssl
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... perhaps he can move his stuff into the WG's space
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MC: have you looked at Andreas' work?
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FH: perhaps he's just offering the service
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... and we need to wait for another impl
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ACTION: barstow respond to the 21-Oct-2009 email from Andreas re Widget Dig Sig
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Created ACTION-472 - Respond to the 21-Oct-2009 email from Andreas re Widget Dig Sig [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-12-24].
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AB: anything else on DigSig for today?
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Topic: URI spec: status of LC comments
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AB: comment tracking document is ( ). What is the status of Larry Masinter's replies to your responses Robin?
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RB: LM has accepted 1 clearly
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... not replied to some
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... a few appear to be disagreements and I replied to those
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AB: I suspect we may not get closure here until January; is that your take too?
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RB: yes. We need more discussion.
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AB: anything you need from the WG?
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RB: nothing specific
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... everyone should feel to respond
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s/feel/feel free/
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AB: anyone have any comments about the exchanges so far?
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Topic: URI spec: scheme registration
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AB: Robin, what's the status of registering the widget: URI scheme?
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RB: I believe we should wait until we are in CR before making the registration request
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... must have a stable spec
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... We will have some process to follow
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... specific mail list for discussion in IETF, etc.
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... I had hoped there was a "fast track" for scheme registration but there isn't
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AB: your proposal to wait until CR before making the registration request makes sense to me
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... so that will be our Plan of Record
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AB: anything else on this topic?
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Topic: View Modes Media Features spec
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AB: one or two calls ago, Marcos mentioned a document by VF re the VM-MF spec ( ). What is the status of this spec vis-a-vis the WG?
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RB: this was developed as a suggestion
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... I think we should consider it as a WG input
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... we should accept what make sense
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... it comes from people that are using the technology
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... so it is based on real use case
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... think it's a good input
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... so I am in favor of integrating it
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AB: is the idea the interfaces would be added to the VM-MF spec?
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RB: no, I think those interfaces should be considered for VM-I
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... those interfaces are pretty simple
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... think we could add them to VM-I
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AB: clear message for the group is that this input is for both the VM-MF and VM-I specs
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AB: not sure how we want to handle this process-wise
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... if people don't comment otherwise, the Editors should feel free to take the good stuff
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... is this about right?
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RB: yes
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MC: yes; it's an input for discussion
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... we need to evaluate the input
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... it is indeed based on real use cases
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... yes, we should target them at the right specs
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AB: an action for everyone to review that input by Jan 7
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ACTION: barstow follow-up on the VF VM-MF thread and ask people to submit comments on the proposal
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Created ACTION-473 - Follow-up on the VF VM-MF thread and ask people to submit comments on the proposal [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-12-24].
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AB: anything else on view modes for today?
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Topic: Updates spec
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AB: last week Marcos said he was planning to have the Updates spec ready for a new WD publication and it would include all of the PAG's recommendation. Marcos, what's the status?
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MC: I've done a lot of work on it but it isn't ready yet
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... still trying to work about some of the model
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... Robin and I have had some offlist discussions
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... One issue is where updates are done i.e. local disk or just from the Web
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... perhaps each should model should have its own spec
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MC: currently, the spec just covers updates over HTTP and a local storage medium
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... thinking about changing the scope to only cover the HTTP case
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AB: any comments about that?
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... I will need to get some internal feedback
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... but wrt the publication issue, I have no problem with delaying publication until we think we are ready
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MC: we've only done a FPWD so it's still not very well fleshed out
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... would prefer to have something more concrete before making a new pub
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AB: that's OK with me
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AB: so we can expect a proposal from you in early January?
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MC: yes
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AB: anything else on this spec for today?
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Topic: AOB
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AB: any topics for AOB?
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AB: I don't have
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Present+ Benoit
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BS: as I mentioned to some of you already, I am changing jobs at Orange
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... consequently, I will not attend widget calls anymore
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... I am not sure yet who will be a permanent replacement
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... but we have identified a temporary replacement
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RB: we will miss you!
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yeah, we'll miss you
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AB: thanks very much for your participation Benoit!
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... best of luck in your new job!
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BS: Best of Luck to you to get the specs DONE!
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Arve: yes, good luck Benoit
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AB: happy holidays and happy new year
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... Thanks very much for a very production 2009!
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BS: yes, it was a very productive year
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RB: we'll finish everything next year!
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AB: meeting adjourned!
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s/very production 2009/very productive 2009/
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ACTION: barstow to follow-up with MWTS WG re the Widget DigSig test suite re their plans, status, etc. [1]
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ACTION: barstow respond to the 21-Oct-2009 email from Andreas re Widget Dig Sig [2]
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ACTION: barstow follow-up on the VF VM-MF thread and ask people to submit comments on the proposal [3]
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