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14:01:41 <ArtB> Scribe: Art
14:01:43 <ArtB> ScribeNick: ArtB
14:01:44 <ArtB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009OctDec/1343.html
14:01:46 <ArtB> Meeting: Widgets Voice Conference
14:01:47 <ArtB> Date: 17 December 2009
14:01:49 <ArtB> Chair: Art
14:01:49 <Zakim> +Art_Barstow
14:01:50 <ArtB> Regrets: Marcin
14:01:55 <Zakim> +arve
14:01:57 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make log Public
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14:02:32 <ArtB> Present: Art, Arve, Josh, Marcos, Frederick, AndyB
14:03:26 <ArtB> Topic: Review and tweak agenda
14:03:35 <ArtB> AB: yesterday I submitted the draft agenda for today ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009OctDec/1343.html ). The meeting will end at the end of this hour at the latest. Any change requests?
14:04:11 <ArtB> [ no ]
14:04:17 <ArtB> Topic: Announcements
14:04:24 <ArtB> AB: the only announcement I have is the next call is 7 January 2010. Any other short annoucements?
14:04:47 <ArtB> AB: any others?
14:04:49 <ArtB> [ no ]
14:05:06 <ArtB> Topic: Widget DigSig spec: test suite status
14:05:21 <ArtB> AB: the Test Suite wiki ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/WidgetTesting#Widgets_1.0:_Digital_Signature_spec ) contains some info about DigSig. What is the status of the DigSig test suite?
14:05:35 <Zakim> -Marcos
14:06:03 <ArtB> MC: I have not been working on it
14:06:08 <ArtB> ... Kai and Dom started
14:06:19 <ArtB> ... but they haven't done anything in the last two months
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14:06:40 <ArtB> AB: does any anticipate participating in this test suite?
14:06:54 <ArtB> MC: yes; expect Opera to contribute tests next year
14:07:02 <ArtB> ... but there is a lot of work to do
14:07:12 <ArtB> ... must go thru ever assertion in the spec
14:07:17 <ArtB> ... and create a test case
14:07:43 <ArtB> ... Not sure how much has been done by Kai and Dom
14:07:59 <ArtB> ... perhaps they have discussed it in the MWTS WG
14:08:38 <ArtB> ... The spec isn't written the same way P&C is so it's a bit more work to generate test assertions
14:09:03 <ArtB> ACTION: barstow to follow-up with MWTS WG re the Widget DigSig test suite re their plans, status, etc.
14:09:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-471 - Follow-up with MWTS WG re the Widget DigSig test suite re their plans, status, etc. [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-12-24].
14:09:45 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:10:06 <ArtB> AB: I'll plan to provide an update re MWTS on Jan 7
14:10:14 <ArtB> MC: I'll also follow-up with Kai
14:10:21 <ArtB> Present+ Robin
14:10:40 <ArtB> AB: anyone else on DigSig test suite for today?
14:10:48 <ArtB> Topic: Widget DigSig spec: implementation status
14:11:00 <ArtB> AB: the Implementation wiki ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/WidgetImplementation ) contains some info about DigSig. Is there any other Public info about DigSig implementations we can add?
14:11:58 <ArtB> AB: is there anything else to add here?
14:12:04 <ArtB> [ silence ]
14:12:15 <fjh> what do we need to do with andreas?
14:12:25 <ArtB> AB: anything else on this topic for today?
14:12:35 <ArtB> FH: I think Andreas is asking for some help
14:12:41 <ArtB> ... he is looking for a CA
14:12:49 <ArtB> ... perhaps there is some process that needs to start
14:13:01 <ArtB> ... I'm not quite sure how W3C would work with him
14:13:26 <ArtB> AB: is there anything from previoius XML DigSig interop that can be used?
14:13:36 <ArtB> FH: just use openssl
14:13:49 <ArtB> ... perhaps he can move his stuff into the WG's space
14:14:06 <ArtB> MC: have you looked at Andreas' work?
14:14:18 <ArtB> FH: perhaps he's just offering the service
14:14:29 <ArtB> ... and we need to wait for another impl
14:15:17 <ArtB> ACTION: barstow respond to the 21-Oct-2009 email from Andreas re Widget Dig Sig
14:15:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-472 - Respond to the 21-Oct-2009 email from Andreas re Widget Dig Sig [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-12-24].
14:16:09 <ArtB> AB: anything else on DigSig for today?
14:16:11 <ArtB> [ no ]
14:16:27 <ArtB> Topic: URI spec: status of LC comments
14:16:40 <ArtB> AB: comment tracking document is ( http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42538/WD-widgets-uri-20091007/doc/ ). What is the status of Larry Masinter's replies to your responses Robin?
14:17:04 <ArtB> RB: LM has accepted 1 clearly
14:17:10 <ArtB> ... not replied to some
14:17:27 <ArtB> ... a few appear to be disagreements and I replied to those
14:18:05 <ArtB> AB: I suspect we may not get closure here until January; is that your take too?
14:18:17 <ArtB> RB: yes. We need more discussion.
14:18:28 <ArtB> AB: anything you need from the WG?
14:18:32 <ArtB> RB: nothing specific
14:18:39 <ArtB> ... everyone should feel to respond
14:18:50 <darobin> s/feel/feel free/
14:19:13 <ArtB> AB: anyone have any comments about the exchanges so far?
14:19:15 <ArtB> [ no ]
14:19:25 <ArtB> Topic: URI spec: scheme registration
14:19:34 <ArtB> AB: Robin, what's the status of registering the widget: URI scheme?
14:20:05 <ArtB> RB: I believe we should wait until we are in CR before making the registration request
14:20:11 <ArtB> ... must have a stable spec
14:20:23 <ArtB> ... We will have some process to follow
14:20:34 <ArtB> ... specific mail list for discussion in IETF, etc.
14:20:50 <ArtB> ... I had hoped there was a "fast track" for scheme registration but there isn't
14:21:18 <ArtB> AB: your proposal to wait until CR before making the registration request makes sense to me
14:21:40 <ArtB> ... so that will be our Plan of Record
14:21:47 <ArtB> AB: anything else on this topic?
14:21:50 <ArtB> [ no ]
14:22:06 <ArtB> Topic: View Modes Media Features spec
14:22:26 <ArtB> AB: one or two calls ago, Marcos mentioned a document by VF re the VM-MF spec ( http://lab.vodafone.com/w3c/vmmf-20091201.html ). What is the status of this spec vis-a-vis the WG?
14:23:10 <ArtB> RB: this was developed as a suggestion
14:23:11 <Zakim> + +1.452.9.aacc
14:23:24 <ArtB> ... I think we should consider it as a WG input
14:23:35 <ArtB> ... we should accept what make sense
14:23:43 <ArtB> ... it comes from people that are using the technology
14:23:55 <ArtB> ... so it is based on real use case
14:24:02 <ArtB> ... think it's a good input
14:24:16 <ArtB> ... so I am in favor of integrating it
14:24:52 <ArtB> AB: is the idea the interfaces would be added to the VM-MF spec?
14:25:05 <ArtB> RB: no, I think those interfaces should be considered for VM-I
14:25:19 <ArtB> ... those interfaces are pretty simple 
14:25:25 <ArtB> ... think we could add them to VM-I
14:25:56 <ArtB> AB: clear message for the group is that this input is for both the VM-MF and VM-I specs
14:26:40 <ArtB> AB: not sure how we want to handle this process-wise
14:27:00 <ArtB> ... if people don't comment otherwise, the Editors should feel free to take the good stuff
14:27:05 <ArtB> ... is this about right?
14:27:06 <ArtB> RB: yes
14:27:21 <ArtB> MC: yes; it's an input for discussion
14:27:38 <ArtB> ... we need to evaluate the input
14:27:56 <ArtB> ... it is indeed based on real use cases
14:28:15 <ArtB> ... yes, we should target them at the right specs
14:28:41 <ArtB> AB: an action for everyone to review that input by Jan 7
14:29:11 <ArtB> ACTION: barstow follow-up on the VF VM-MF thread and ask people to submit comments on the proposal
14:29:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-473 - Follow-up on the VF VM-MF thread and ask people to submit comments on the proposal [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-12-24].
14:29:51 <ArtB> AB: anything else on view modes for today?
14:29:53 <ArtB> [ no ]
14:29:59 <ArtB> Topic: Updates spec
14:30:08 <ArtB> AB: last week Marcos said he was planning to have the Updates spec ready for a new WD publication and it would include all of the PAG's recommendation. Marcos, what's the status?
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14:30:35 <ArtB> MC: I've done a lot of work on it but it isn't ready yet
14:30:51 <ArtB> ... still trying to work about some of the model
14:31:01 <ArtB> ... Robin and I have had some offlist discussions
14:31:19 <ArtB> ... One issue is where updates are done i.e. local disk or just from the Web
14:31:30 <ArtB> ... perhaps each should model should have its own spec
14:32:06 <ArtB> MC: currently, the spec just covers updates over HTTP and a local storage medium 
14:32:17 <ArtB> ... thinking about changing the scope to only cover the HTTP case
14:32:39 <ArtB> AB: any comments about that?
14:32:54 <ArtB> ... I will need to get some internal feedback
14:33:22 <ArtB> ... but wrt the publication issue, I have no problem with delaying publication until we think we are ready
14:34:18 <ArtB> MC: we've only done a FPWD so it's still not very well fleshed out
14:34:40 <ArtB> ... would prefer to have something more concrete before making a new pub
14:34:44 <ArtB> AB: that's OK with me
14:35:14 <ArtB> AB: so we can expect a proposal from you in early January?
14:35:17 <ArtB> MC: yes
14:35:33 <ArtB> AB: anything else on this spec for today?
14:35:37 <ArtB> [ no ]
14:35:43 <ArtB> Topic: AOB
14:36:08 <darobin> yes
14:36:48 <ArtB> AB: any topics for AOB?
14:36:53 <ArtB> AB: I don't have 
14:37:00 <ArtB> Present+ Benoit
14:37:27 <ArtB> BS: as I mentioned to some of you already, I am changing jobs at Orange
14:37:39 <ArtB> ... consequently, I will not attend widget calls anymore
14:37:53 <ArtB> ... I am not sure yet who will be a permanent replacement
14:38:03 <ArtB> ... but we have identified a temporary replacement
14:38:38 <ArtB> RB: we will miss you!
14:38:45 <timeless_mbp> yeah, we'll miss you
14:38:52 <ArtB> AB: thanks very much for your participation Benoit!
14:39:05 <ArtB> ... best of luck in your new job!
14:39:15 <ArtB> BS: Best of Luck to you to get the specs DONE!
14:39:23 <ArtB> Arve: yes, good luck Benoit
14:39:36 <ArtB> AB: happy holidays and happy new year
14:39:48 <ArtB> ... Thanks very much for a very production 2009!
14:40:00 <ArtB> BS: yes, it was a very productive year
14:40:14 <ArtB> RB: we'll finish everything next year!
14:40:51 <timeless_mbp> "Finnished"
14:40:57 <Marcos> :)
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14:41:22 <ArtB> AB: meeting adjourned!
14:41:24 <Zakim> -arve
14:41:25 <Zakim> - +1.452.9.aacc
14:41:26 <Zakim> -darobin
14:41:27 <Zakim> -fjh
14:41:28 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
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14:41:29 <Zakim> -Josh_Soref
14:41:33 <Zakim> -Art_Barstow
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14:41:37 <Zakim> Attendees were fjh, Marcos, Josh_Soref, +1.919.536.aabb, Art_Barstow, arve, darobin, +1.452.9.aacc
14:41:50 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make log Public
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14:44:54 <ArtB> zakim, bye
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14:45:30 <ArtB> s/very production 2009/very productive 2009/
14:45:35 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
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14:49:11 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/17-wam-actions.rdf :
14:49:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: barstow to follow-up with MWTS WG re the Widget DigSig test suite re their plans, status, etc. [1]
14:49:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/17-wam-irc#T14-09-03
14:49:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: barstow respond to the 21-Oct-2009 email from Andreas re Widget Dig Sig [2]
14:49:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/17-wam-irc#T14-15-17
14:49:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: barstow follow-up on the VF VM-MF thread and ask people to submit comments on the proposal [3]
14:49:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/17-wam-irc#T14-29-11
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