09:54:08 RRSAgent has joined #mediafrag 09:54:08 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/12/16-mediafrag-irc 09:54:10 RRSAgent, make logs public 09:54:10 Zakim has joined #mediafrag 09:54:12 Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG 09:54:12 ok, trackbot; I see IA_MFWG()5:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes 09:54:13 Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference 09:54:13 Date: 16 December 2009 09:59:20 erik has joined #mediafrag 10:00:39 jackjansen has joined #mediafrag 10:00:50 zakim, code? 10:00:50 the conference code is 3724 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jackjansen 10:01:13 IA_MFWG()5:00AM has now started 10:01:20 +Erik 10:01:31 +Jack_Jansen 10:02:03 zakim, mute me 10:02:03 Jack_Jansen should now be muted 10:02:19 +Thierry 10:02:29 regrets: raphael, michael 10:02:32 +Yves 10:02:39 tmichel has joined #mediafrag 10:02:40 +??P3 10:02:59 zakim, ??P3 is me 10:02:59 +silvia; got it 10:03:06 zakim, mute me 10:03:06 silvia should now be muted 10:03:31 zakim, unmute me 10:03:31 silvia should no longer be muted 10:05:07 zakim, mute me 10:05:07 silvia should now be muted 10:05:33 zakim, unmute me 10:05:33 Jack_Jansen should no longer be muted 10:05:48 scribe: jack 10:07:37 topic: 1 admin 10:07:55 +[IPcaller] 10:08:01 erik: accept minutes 10:08:12 erik: postpone f2f discussion until next call 10:08:16 +1 10:08:49 +1 10:08:54 +1 10:08:57 +1 10:09:02 conrad has joined #mediafrag 10:09:32 topic: 2 specification 10:09:49 davy has joined #mediafrag 10:10:17 Zakim, mute me 10:10:17 sorry, conrad, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 10:10:43 erik: first details as pointed out by Thierry 10:10:53 Yves: don't worry, I will do that. 10:11:01 s/Yves/Thierry/ 10:11:01 ... boilerplate, uri, etc. 10:11:57 ... have also communicated with Philippe 10:12:49 erik: I will send draft email (to chairs), please comment 10:13:22 Thierry: that email can go out next morning 10:13:25 erik: ok 10:13:30 zakim, unmute me 10:13:30 silvia should no longer be muted 10:13:56 zakim, mute me 10:13:56 silvia should now be muted 10:13:57 erik: that is spec document. How about note? 10:14:16 Thierry: much simpler, already exists, so no transition needed 10:15:04 ls 10:15:06 ... But need to cater for pubrules, there are currently soe broken URIs. 10:15:10 s/ls// 10:15:59 erik: ok, I will take care of it. 10:16:22 zakim, unmute me 10:16:22 silvia should no longer be muted 10:16:24 erik: On to the spec. Silvia, can you explain section 5? 10:16:57 http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing 10:18:22 silvia: goes over section naming and content (for 5.1) 10:18:41 I would note that error handling might get in the way of future upgrades/other use of similar syntax 10:19:09 ... 5.2 has more substantial changes, is now in line with section 3 10:20:25 q+ 10:21:10 yes i have lots of issues but i won't delay publication with them, they can wait for a future revision 10:21:17 ... Finally 5.3 is in sync with 3.5 10:21:47 ... 5.3 needs work, but this should delay publication 10:23:53 erik: are the ABNF errors fixed? 10:24:13 npttime = ( 1*DIGIT [ "." 1*DIGIT ] [timeunit] ) / 10:24:14 ( 1*DIGIT ":" 2DIGIT ":" 2DIGIT [ "." 1*DIGIT] ) 10:24:32 "." 1*DIGIT -> RTSP: "." *DIGIT 10:25:07 the change can wait after publication 10:25:15 silvia: I think it is fixed 10:25:29 we need to check other definitions as well 10:26:04 FYI: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2326.txt, section 3.6 10:27:08 agree with Jack section 5.3 is just not needed. It's a normal GET on a URI 10:28:10 ah jack was talking about 5.1.3 10:30:05 zakim, mute me 10:30:05 silvia should now be muted 10:30:06 I agree with Jack too 10:30:18 jack: hates 5.1.3, handling of over-specified dimensions 10:30:40 yves: agrees. 10:31:41 jack: should we add a note to this section, saying that we are rethinking this section? 10:31:44 zakim, unmute me 10:31:44 silvia should no longer be muted 10:31:46 yves: can do. 10:33:05 zakim, mute me 10:33:05 silvia should now be muted 10:33:33 silvia: ok, will add a note that this is contentious. 10:33:52 erik: more comments? 10:33:53 q- 10:34:14 yves: some issues with header syntax 10:34:34 Sylvia, let me know when you are done with the editing. Then We freeze the document. 10:34:43 ... but: difficult to do without f2f 10:35:12 conrad: Silvia, Davy and me are going to be at ??? in NZ in January 10:35:25 s/???/FOMS 10:35:28 foms-workshop.org 10:36:13 erik: conrad, comments on state of the document? 10:36:20 conrad: nothing in particular 10:36:49 erik: should we have a f2f soon? 10:36:52 yves: yes 10:37:12 eri: action points 10:37:40 action-123? 10:37:40 ACTION-123 -- Yves Lafon to come up with ABNF for header syntax -- due 2009-12-09 -- OPEN 10:37:40 http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123 10:38:36 Yves: keep 123 open for now 10:38:47 erik: 123 can close 10:38:55 close ACTION-124 10:38:56 ACTION-124 Rework section 5 according to Raphael's restructuration plan http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Dec/0009.html due 2009-12-15 closed 10:39:02 erik: and 125 is still open 10:39:24 topic: 2.1 MF URI Syntax 10:39:38 TOPIC: 2.1 MF URI Syntax 10:40:23 action: Yves to follow up on error in ABFN for npt 10:40:23 Created ACTION-126 - Follow up on error in ABFN for npt [on Yves Lafon - due 2009-12-23]. 10:40:37 s/error/misalignment with RTSP/ 10:41:39 erik: skipping topic 2.2, done or postponed 10:41:57 TOPIC: 2.3 MF processing 10:42:29 erik: also skipping, either done or postponed 10:42:52 TOPIC: 2.4 Discovery of 'Track' and 'Named' fragment 10:44:31 Davy: did a quick implementation to experiment. 10:44:47 ... but: agree with mailinglist comments that we don't need to standardise this 10:44:59 zakim, unmute me 10:44:59 silvia should no longer be muted 10:45:57 silvia: Something like ROE is needed 10:45:59 q+ 10:47:11 q+ 10:47:22 zakim, mute me 10:47:22 silvia should now be muted 10:47:57 +1 to jack 10:48:05 zakim, unmute me 10:48:05 silvia should no longer be muted 10:48:19 jack: don't want to discuss merits of ROE right now, but think it's outside our charter 10:48:59 zakim, mute me 10:48:59 silvia should now be muted 10:49:07 silvia: agrees. But should point out it exists 10:49:33 davy: agrees. 10:50:13 ... Clients could also use Media Annotations work to interface to it 10:50:26 q- 10:50:28 q- 10:51:00 zakim, unmute me 10:51:00 silvia should no longer be muted 10:51:37 erik: Jack, did you write up on distinction? 10:51:44 jaack: uhm... 10:51:58 silvia: I think that was never intended. Just reaction to my post. 10:52:03 zakim, mute me 10:52:03 silvia should now be muted 10:52:05 erik: ok, let's close this then 10:52:13 s/jaack/jack 10:52:29 TOPIC: 3.5 Handling of 'Track' and 'ID': 10:52:36 zakim, unmute me 10:52:36 silvia should no longer be muted 10:53:18 silvia: COnrad suggests handling track an id completely different from rest. 10:53:27 ... I don't agree. 10:54:18 I have given an example. I think this issue is contentious, need to discuss. 10:55:18 silvia: I have given an example. I think this issue is contentious, need to discuss. 10:55:35 ... There is an ednote at the end of section 5.2.2 poitning this out 10:55:45 s/poitning/pointing 10:55:57 Conrad: I won't block pub on this 10:56:29 zakim, mute me 10:56:29 silvia should now be muted 10:56:29 TOPIC: Publication of first public draft 10:56:33 agreed 10:56:38 agreed 10:56:39 +1 10:56:40 +1 10:56:41 erik: does the group agree that we want to publish the first public draft? 10:56:45 +1 10:56:45 +1 10:56:51 Resolution: The Media Frag WG agrees (with no objections) to Publish Media Fragments 1.0 to First Public WD. 10:57:17 erik: does the group agree we puibpish the use cases document? 10:57:19 +1 10:57:20 +1 10:57:23 +1 10:57:25 s/puibphish/publish 10:57:27 +1 10:57:28 +1 10:57:34 Resolution: The Media Frag WG agrees (with no objections) to publish Use cases and requirements for Media Fragments, to Ordinary WD. 10:57:39 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/16-mediafrag-minutes.html Yves 10:58:07 erik: ok, thank you all! 10:58:21 one sec 10:58:25 ... Only thing left to do is two little adjustments by Silvia 10:59:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/16-mediafrag-minutes.html Yves 10:59:26 http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing-protocol-Server-mapped has conrad's fragment objection now as an ed note 10:59:30 editing finished 10:59:41 silvia: no more:-) 10:59:42 Very good thanks Sylvia 10:59:48 zakim, unmute me 10:59:48 silvia should no longer be muted 11:00:00 Present: Erik, Jack_Jansen, Thierry, Yves, silvia, Conrad 11:00:04 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/16-mediafrag-minutes.html Yves 11:00:20 erik: ok,thanks everyone, happy new year, see you next year! 11:00:38 Chair: Erik 11:00:40 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/16-mediafrag-minutes.html Yves 11:00:57 -Jack_Jansen 11:01:00 -silvia 11:01:04 -Yves 11:01:05 -[IPcaller] 11:01:06 -Erik 11:01:13 -Thierry 11:01:14 IA_MFWG()5:00AM has ended 11:01:16 Attendees were Erik, Jack_Jansen, Thierry, Yves, silvia, [IPcaller] 11:02:49 Present+ Davy 11:03:17 Present+ Conrad 11:03:17 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/16-mediafrag-minutes.html davy 11:04:12 davy has left #mediafrag 11:07:22 zakim, please part 11:07:22 Zakim has left #mediafrag 11:07:47 rrsagent, draft minutes 11:07:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/16-mediafrag-minutes.html erik 11:08:24 rrsagent, set logs world-visible