IRC log of CSS on 2009-12-16

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logging to
16:46:36 [glazou]
Zakim, this will be style
16:46:36 [Zakim]
ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
16:47:45 [glazou]
RRSAgent, start
16:47:52 [glazou]
RRSAgent, make logs public
16:48:12 [annevk]
I'm ill and both my MacBook which I use for Skype and network are unstable too so I think I'd rather not dial in
16:48:29 [annevk]
I'll try to follow along as long as everything works...
16:48:45 [glazou]
I'm ill too
16:48:51 [glazou]
and a lot of people sent regrets
16:48:54 [annevk]
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16:53:59 [glazou]
hi sylvaing
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16:58:35 [glazou]
Zakim, code?
16:58:35 [Zakim]
the conference code is 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+ tel:+44.117.370.6152), glazou
16:58:56 [Zakim]
Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
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16:59:27 [glazou]
arrrgl my sip phone is dead
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+ +1.206.324.aaaa
17:00:57 [sylvaing]
Zakim, aaaa is sylvaing
17:00:57 [Zakim]
+sylvaing; got it
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+ +1.415.920.aabb
17:03:02 [glazou]
Zakim, aabb is fantasai
17:03:02 [Zakim]
+fantasai; got it
17:04:00 [glazou]
Zakim, who is on phone?
17:04:00 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, glazou.
17:04:05 [Zakim]
17:04:07 [glazou]
Zakim, who is here?
17:04:07 [Zakim]
On the phone I see dethbakin, Bert, sylvaing, glazou, smfr, fantasai, plinss
17:04:09 [Zakim]
On IRC I see smfr, oyvind, dethbakin, sylvaing, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, annevk, krijnh, szilles, myakura, jdaggett, karl, plinss_, fantasai, shepazu, plinss, Hixie, trackbot, Bert
17:04:46 [glazou]
BTW, I am sick, food poisoning apparently
17:05:25 [glazou]
I did not expect less from you sylvaing :)
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17:06:13 [dsinger]
zakim, [apple] has dsinger
17:06:13 [Zakim]
+dsinger; got it
17:06:53 [sylvaing]
17:07:20 [smfr]
sylvaing: say something!
17:08:25 [sylvaing]
szilles, glazou: adding color management in Flash to the agenda
17:09:38 [sylvaing]
szilles: Flash 10 implemented some level of color management. It assumes the Flash file to be in sRGB. There are two ways to get this to show up 1) use default color correction of the browser 2) grab monitor profile through unspecified means and color-corrects the Flash file independently of the browser
17:09:48 [sylvaing]
szilles: 3) also, it can do no color correction
17:10:04 [sylvaing]
szilles: the feature is intended to follow what the browser is doing
17:10:29 [sylvaing]
szilles: overall, it means that Flash cooperates with sRGB overall; it doesn't mean that Flash content out there is sRGB-friendly
17:10:43 [sylvaing]
szilles: Flash files do not contain ICC profiles
17:10:53 [fantasai]
zakim, mute me
17:10:53 [Zakim]
fantasai should now be muted
17:11:31 [dsinger]
steve -- could you put that in email? I think you're saying what others of us have been saying, but I'd like to read it
17:11:36 [dsinger]
and review it with my colleagues
17:12:01 [sylvaing]
smfr: we also need to understand if we need a new plugin interface so the browser can tell the plugin whether to color-correct or not
17:12:13 [sylvaing]
szilles: yes, this is something that needs to get investigated
17:12:57 [sylvaing]
szilles: I think there is a need to coordinate turning this on so that it works reliably
17:13:17 [sylvaing]
szilles: I read that color correction is hard to get right today even using browsers that support it
17:14:16 [szilles]
here is a public write up on how to use
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+ +34.60.940.aacc
17:16:16 [glazou]
Zakim, aacc is CesarAcebal
17:16:16 [Zakim]
+CesarAcebal; got it
17:16:18 [sylvaing]
szilles: there was an issue last week re: using the 601 video profiles
17:16:44 [sylvaing]
szilles: chris lilley noted no one produced 601 video these days but it seemed that was not the consensus ?
17:17:02 [sylvaing]
dsinger: if a video is untagged then 601 is the right profile
17:17:32 [CesarAcebal]
Sorry for the delay: I've arrived home right now.
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Feature queries (fantasai)
17:17:55 [fantasai]
zakim, unmute me
17:17:55 [Zakim]
fantasai should no longer be muted
17:18:31 [sylvaing]
fantasai: I would like to let the conversation follow its public course until such time as the WG has something to resolve
17:18:35 [smfr]
Zakim: who's noisy?
17:18:39 [smfr]
Zakim, who's noisy?
17:18:50 [Zakim]
smfr, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bert (30%), glazou (100%)
17:19:19 [sylvaing]
glazou: I wanted to make sure the WG was aware of this discussion as many web designers have been asking for this for a long time to avoid hacks
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Fixed table headers (Doug Schepers)
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fantasai: it is a positioning mode whereby an item hits the top/bottom of the screen it will remain there as long as its containing block is visible in the viewport
17:21:02 [sylvaing]
fantasai: this is clearly useful for fix table headers in place while the content of the table is scrolled
17:21:25 [sylvaing]
glazou: this behavior could be extended to other elements
17:21:36 [sylvaing]
fantasai: yes, and that is part of the discussion. I wanted to propose this for a long time
17:21:53 [sylvaing]
glazou: any concrete proposal ?
17:22:05 [sylvaing]
fantasai: not yet, although syntax is emerging but no concrete proposal yet
17:23:04 [Zakim]
17:23:17 [sylvaing]
fantasai: this would solved many issues with fixed positioning, specifically that fixed elements do not take space
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17:24:59 [sylvaing]
fantasai: when it comes to making this general, I'm concerned about the selection of your fixed 'origin'. right now, it assumes the containing block
17:25:35 [sylvaing]
szilles: this would definitely work well for headers
17:26:24 [sylvaing]
glazou: we don't really need x/y positions for this, because we always want the fixed element to stick to edges right ?
17:27:18 [sylvaing]
<general agreement>
17:27:31 [Zakim]
17:27:38 [sylvaing]
smfr: an issue is what happens when these elements nest, and how/whether they stack up
17:28:09 [sylvaing]
bradk: on the iphone, such items do not stack up, the previous one is pushed aside
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17:29:00 [sylvaing]
<discussion of a dl/dt use case>
17:29:14 [Zakim]
17:29:41 [sylvaing]
glazou: is the discussion very general or does it target use-cases ? I'm concerned it could get lost if it doesn't focus
17:29:56 [sylvaing]
fantasai: we have a few use-cases but we want to stay open to what else is out there
17:30:23 [sylvaing]
bradk: it's a very useful feature, although not a requirement.
17:30:25 [sylvaing]
tab: I agree.
17:31:38 [sylvaing]
<glazou says something scary about selectors on the right side. scribe denies it happened>
17:31:48 [Bert]
(As usual, the DT/DD case is difficult because HTML forgot to define the DI element that groups them. :-( )
17:32:11 [glazou]
sylvaing: please minute it
17:32:13 [TabAtkins]
Why doesn't ::di exist yet?
17:32:32 [fantasai]
because it should be <di>
17:32:35 [sylvaing]
can someone minute for a few minuntes ?
17:32:42 [szilles]
FYI: I will miss the phone calls on the 5th and 12th of January; I will be on vacation.
17:32:47 [TabAtkins]
scribenick: TabAtkins
17:33:11 [glazou]
glazou: selectors on the right hand side could select the elements controlling the sticky one
17:33:40 [TabAtkins]
Bert: We're waiting on Ian Jacobs; I need to send him some text tonight/tomorrow along with the new publications and documents.
17:33:46 [TabAtkins]
fantasai: For B&B, Multicol?
17:33:50 [TabAtkins]
Bert: Yeah.
17:33:55 [TabAtkins]
Fantasai: Published by end of week?
17:33:58 [TabAtkins]
Bert: tomorrow
17:34:12 [TabAtkins]
glazou: Moratorium starts at end of week.
17:34:16 [TabAtkins]
Bert: Not a problem.
17:34:33 [fantasai]
zakim, mute me
17:34:33 [Zakim]
fantasai should now be muted
17:34:38 [TabAtkins]
glazou: comments on transitions, david and dean aren't here.
17:34:54 [TabAtkins]
dsinger: Isn't the second comment just a typo?
17:35:08 [TabAtkins]
dsinger: Yeah, Hyatt responded. Definitely just a spec mistake.
17:35:16 [Zakim]
17:35:24 [TabAtkins]
glazou: CSSOM, but Anne isn't here. He's sick.
17:35:41 [Zakim]
17:35:44 [TabAtkins]
glazou: Last topic is bidi issues. I think we need dbaron here.
17:36:48 [TabAtkins]
glazou: Remember to tell you AC rep about Selectors PR.
17:36:59 [TabAtkins]
glazou: No conf call the next two weeks.
17:37:48 [TabAtkins]
glazou: Next is 6th Jan. Merry christmas and happy new year!
17:37:49 [dsinger]
happy hols everyone!
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Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
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Attendees were dethbakin, Bert, +1.206.324.aaaa, sylvaing, glazou, smfr, +1.415.920.aabb, fantasai, plinss, SteveZ, dsinger, +34.60.940.aacc, CesarAcebal, bradk, TabAtkins
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jrmuizel: so i'm curious about bug 435756
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the stack overflow in _cairo_spline_decompose_into
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when using a cisco vpn
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