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11:59:07 <wbailer> zakim, this will be mawg
11:59:07 <Zakim> ok, wbailer, I see IA_MAWG()7:00AM already started
12:00:32 <chris_ibbt> zakim, who is here?
12:00:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see +31.20.598.aaaa, +329331aabb
12:00:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, wbailer, veroniqueM, chris_ibbt, wonsuk, daniel, trackbot
12:00:34 <Zakim> +wbailer
12:01:00 <chris_ibbt> zakim, aabb is chris_ibbt
12:01:00 <Zakim> +chris_ibbt; got it
12:03:24 <chris_ibbt> regrets: tobias, joakim, pierre-antoine, jean-pierre, thierry
12:03:45 <veroniqueM> Zakim, +31.20.598.aaaa is me
12:03:45 <Zakim> +veroniqueM; got it
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12:06:19 <florian> Zakim, aacc is me
12:06:19 <Zakim> +florian; got it
12:06:53 <daniel> me    Oops, I can't make a call in office due to line construction tonight...sigh...
12:09:21 <wonsuk> 1)
12:11:00 <wbailer> meeting: MAWG
12:11:04 <chris_ibbt> scribe: chris_ibbt
12:11:35 <wbailer> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Dec/0040.html
12:11:38 <chris_ibbt> topic: minute approval
12:11:53 <wbailer> http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-mediaann-minutes.html
12:12:30 <chris_ibbt> minutes approved
12:13:02 <chris_ibbt> the link to the scribe list is not yet updated
12:13:02 <daniel> Please make sure the next call schedule : January 19 of 2010
12:13:14 <chris_ibbt> florian volunteers to scribe next meeting
12:13:38 <chris_ibbt> werner: is january 19 ok for next phone conf?
12:13:49 <wonsuk> i think January 19 of 2010 is too late... :-)
12:14:09 <wbailer> was there a reason not to schedule for 12th, daniel?
12:14:44 <daniel> 12th is workable neither myself nor Joakim...unfortunately
12:15:09 <chris_ibbt> werner: let's stay with january 19
12:15:13 <wbailer> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
12:15:14 <chris_ibbt> topic: open action items
12:15:30 <chris_ibbt> action-47 is ongoing
12:15:50 <chris_ibbt> action-124 remains open
12:16:17 <chris_ibbt> same for action-135 to action-171
12:16:56 <chris_ibbt> veronique: waiting for feedback  on updates of ontology document relating to action-171
12:17:26 <chris_ibbt> action-175: some updates have been sent on the mailing list
12:17:26 <trackbot> ACTION-175 Define data type mappings as soon as the data types for the formats are defined notes added
12:17:55 <chris_ibbt> action-175 -- some updates have been sent on the mailing list
12:18:15 <chris_ibbt> daniel sent mails to the authors of the mapping tables
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12:18:43 <daniel> action-197 can be closed
12:19:04 <wbailer> daniel, do you keep track of the updates of the format mapping tables?
12:19:16 <daniel> yes,
12:19:48 <chris_ibbt> close action-197
12:19:48 <trackbot> ACTION-197 Daniel to remind table editors to update closed
12:19:58 <chris_ibbt> action-194
12:20:44 <chris_ibbt>  Joakim sent the mails regarding action-194
12:20:59 <chris_ibbt> close action-195
12:20:59 <trackbot> ACTION-195 Update the API document regarding error management closed
12:21:13 <chris_ibbt> close action-194
12:21:13 <trackbot> ACTION-194 Send a mail to silvia about the implementation of the API in browsers and the need to address several metadata sources closed
12:21:29 <chris_ibbt> action 196 is ongoing
12:21:29 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 196
12:21:38 <chris_ibbt> action-196 is ongoing
12:21:54 <daniel> Yes, 196 is still ongoing
12:21:59 <chris_ibbt> now discussing action-198
12:22:05 <wonsuk> action-198 has been done
12:22:10 <wbailer> wonsuk, do you consider the uc&req document ready for publishing?
12:22:31 <wonsuk> I think so...
12:22:51 <chris_ibbt> werner: we could vote for publishing the updated version
12:23:09 <chris_ibbt> veronique: do we need a minimum number of participants?
12:23:18 <chris_ibbt> daniel what's your opinion?
12:23:45 <wbailer> votes against publishing the current version?
12:23:47 <daniel> it depends, if no strong object, we can go to the publication.
12:24:07 <daniel> s/object/objection
12:24:12 <florian> +1 for publication
12:24:20 <daniel> +1
12:24:21 <chris_ibbt> werner: this document can be further updated
12:24:27 <wonsuk> +1!!!
12:24:43 <chris_ibbt> florian: were the acknowledmengts updated?
12:25:15 <wonsuk> not yet.. so before publication i will update that part
12:25:21 <chris_ibbt> s/acknowledmengts/acknowledgements
12:25:44 <chris_ibbt> werner: give wonsuk an action to update it
12:26:32 <wbailer> action: wonsuk to update acknowledgements section of uc& req document and to notify chairs when it's ready for publication
12:26:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-201 - Update acknowledgements section of uc& req document and to notify chairs when it's ready for publication [on WonSuk Lee - due 2009-12-22].
12:26:54 <chris_ibbt> action-200 on thierry can be closed
12:27:04 <chris_ibbt> close action-200
12:27:04 <trackbot> ACTION-200 Send a mail to the group explaining the different document spaces and why some documents are to be removed closed
12:27:14 <chris_ibbt> werner: the documents are cleaned
12:27:42 <chris_ibbt> topic: Requirements document update - Wonsuk
12:27:47 <chris_ibbt> has been done
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12:29:06 <wbailer> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0.html
12:29:44 <cpoppe> werner: any other open issues to be included?
12:30:13 <daniel> security part should be included in API doc ?
12:30:35 <wonsuk> Daniel, yes.. i will do that.. 
12:31:08 <wbailer> action: wonsuk to include security part in api document
12:31:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-202 - Include security part in api document [on WonSuk Lee - due 2009-12-22].
12:31:10 <cpoppe> veronique: does the api consider that the metadata is embedded?
12:31:10 <daniel> ok, please make a new action item to wonsuk for adding security section into API doc.
12:31:51 <cpoppe> currently it does not define where to get the metadata
12:32:13 <cpoppe> werner: we might want to deal this when identifying the context of a media resource or metadata document
12:32:58 <cpoppe> it is not in the API document yet
12:33:57 <cpoppe> action: chris to come up with a proposal of methods that allow to identify the media resource and metadata documents
12:33:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-203 - Come up with a proposal of methods that allow to identify the media resource and metadata documents [on Chris Poppe - due 2009-12-22].
12:33:58 <veroniqueM> scribe:  cpoppe
12:34:09 <cpoppe> werner: any other comments?
12:34:31 <cpoppe> topic: API implementation experiences – Chris
12:34:38 <cpoppe> http://multimedialab.elis.ugent.be/users/chpoppe/MediaAnnotations.html
12:35:04 <cpoppe> werner: thanks for making a test implementation
12:35:24 <cpoppe> werner: any comments?
12:36:08 <wbailer> chris: webidl only has bindings for java and javscript
12:36:29 <cpoppe> werner: might be problem for web services
12:38:06 <cpoppe> currently the mappings are hardcoded in javascript
12:38:16 <cpoppe> meaning no semantic web technologies used
12:38:37 <cpoppe> werner: comments from other people?
12:38:59 <daniel> As Thierry pointed, probably we should come up to the F2F with a list of features we need to test.
12:39:45 <daniel> If Chris'implementation can come up with some of features, that might be very valuable at this stage, are you available ?
12:40:04 <cpoppe> pierre-antoine proposed to return an uri for each returned object
12:40:11 <cpoppe> this was discussed on the mailing list
12:40:17 <cpoppe> and is now integrated in the api document
12:41:01 <daniel> Also, any ongoing implementation for ontology doc ? 
12:41:29 <cpoppe> werner: on last F2F we defined some test suites
12:42:05 <cpoppe> werner: it was mainly for the title property
12:42:51 <cpoppe> werner: I am not sure what daniel means with the ongoing implementation
12:42:52 <wbailer> daniel, do you mean about updating the ontology document?
12:43:26 <daniel> no likewise Chris's API implementation for sharing
12:43:57 <cpoppe> veronique: when is the F2F?
12:44:05 <cpoppe> werner: scheduled for the last week of february
12:44:15 <cpoppe> daniel can you confirm?
12:44:54 <cpoppe> veronique: we should have an updated version of the ontology document sent to the list
12:45:01 <daniel> It's being scheduled, and a bit delayed due to MFWG joint. Surely we will confirm that within a couple of weeks.
12:45:14 <daniel> sorry for the delay.
12:45:32 <cpoppe> daniel can you eplain what you mean with an implementation of the ontology document?
12:45:49 <veroniqueM> s/eplain/explain/
12:46:52 <veroniqueM> Daniel: it seems that we do not have "one" official serialisation of the Media Ontology
12:47:04 <daniel> working cross different metadata standards through our ontology mapping and implementation results, some like this...just curious
12:47:43 <daniel> just curious any other ongoing implementation in our group...
12:48:02 <cpoppe> werner: there are several ways to formalize the ontology
12:48:21 <daniel> let me speak about at next teleconf on the call...sorry
12:48:39 <cpoppe> in the test implementation of the API, the ontology is implemented in the code itself
12:49:24 <cpoppe> the test implementation has also not been made with respect to the test suites
12:49:31 <cpoppe> werner: any other topics?
12:50:11 <Zakim> -florian
12:50:13 <Zakim> -veroniqueM
12:50:16 <daniel> thanks werner for charing today call, and very glad to work with all of you, happy new year
12:50:18 <wonsuk> thanks all.. 
12:50:30 <wonsuk> merry christmas~
12:50:37 <veroniqueM> \me merry xmas and New Year!
12:51:17 <wbailer> rrsagent, make logs public
12:51:23 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:51:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/15-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
12:52:06 <wbailer> chair: werner
12:52:57 <wbailer> present: florian, vernoqiue, werner, chris, wonsuk (irc), daniel (irc)
12:53:03 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:53:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/15-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
12:53:48 <Zakim> -wbailer
12:53:49 <Zakim> -chris_ibbt
12:53:49 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()7:00AM has ended
12:53:50 <Zakim> Attendees were +329331aabb, wbailer, chris_ibbt, veroniqueM, +049851509aacc, florian
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