15:32:25 RRSAgent has joined #rdfa 15:32:25 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/12/10-rdfa-irc 15:32:28 manu has changed the topic to: RDFa 15:33:51 zakim, this will be rdfa 15:33:51 ok, manu; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 27 minutes 15:34:08 Scribe: manu 15:34:15 Scribe: Manu Sporny 15:34:23 Present: Manu_Sporny, Ivan_Herman 15:34:37 Meeting: RDFa in XHTML Task Force 15:34:48 Chair: Manu_Sporny 15:35:02 rrsagent, make log public 15:35:20 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Dec/0048.html 15:35:39 Previous: http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-rdfa-minutes.html 15:42:15 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:42:15 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/10-rdfa-minutes.html manu 15:42:33 trackbot has joined #rdfa 15:42:33 Sorry... 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I don't know anything about this channel 15:42:57 If you want to associate this channel with an existing Tracker, please say 'trackbot, associate this channel with #channel' (where #channel is the name of default channel for the group) 15:43:04 trackbot, bye 15:43:04 trackbot has left #rdfa 15:59:53 zakim, code? 15:59:53 the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ivan 16:00:58 markbirbeck has joined #rdfa 16:02:10 SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started 16:02:17 +??P20 16:02:23 zakim, I am ??P20 16:02:25 +manu; got it 16:03:25 zakim, code? 16:03:37 the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck 16:03:44 Topic: Action Items 16:03:57 ACTION: Manu to generate spec text for pulling in external vocabulary documents. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] 16:04:00 -- continues 16:04:09 ACTION: Manu to get in touch with LibXML developers about TC 142. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] 16:04:11 -- continues 16:04:21 ACTION: Manu to aggressively push review of test cases via mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/29-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] 16:04:23 -- continues 16:04:32 ACTION: Manu to try and find other interested parties in RDFa WG. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] 16:04:34 +??P31 16:04:34 -- continues 16:04:37 zakim, i am ? 16:04:37 +markbirbeck; got it 16:05:12 zakim, dial ivan-voip 16:05:12 ok, ivan; the call is being made 16:05:14 +Ivan 16:05:16 ACTION: Mark to generate spec text for @token and @prefix [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] 16:05:18 -- continues 16:05:29 ACTION: Mark to generate spec text for pulling in external vocabulary documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] 16:05:31 -- continues 16:06:20 Present+ Mark_Birbeck 16:06:33 Present+ Ivan_Herman 16:06:41 Regrets: Shane_McCarron 16:06:46 Regrets: Steven_Pemberton 16:06:51 Regrets: Ben_Adida 16:08:07 zakim, mute me 16:08:07 markbirbeck should now be muted 16:08:14 Topic: Housekeeping items 16:08:22 Manu: Any updates? 16:08:27 Ivan: RDFa WG charter update 16:08:41 Ivan: W3M comments are coming in, they're being edited, only two issues that need changes. 16:09:02 Ivan: A11y want to be a part of RDFa - so they want to be mentioned in the charter 16:09:08 Ivan: I think it would be good to do that. 16:09:55 Ivan: There is a separate document called WebIDL - a formal way to describe APIs. 16:10:05 Ivan: We should put a sentence into the charter to use that formally, if possible. 16:10:25 Ivan: We shouldn't invent a new mechanism, we should use WebIDL. 16:10:38 Ivan: The Comm team said that it will go out to AC for formal vote next Monday. 16:10:51 Ivan: The deadline for review is on 22nd of Jan. 16:11:10 Ivan: If we don't get any substantial comments, then it should be possible to get the group up and running very quickly. 16:11:25 Ivan: W3M would approve if there are no substantial comments. 16:12:10 great developments, Ivan. 16:13:01 Manu: We should probably cancel Christmas and New Years Eve telecons 16:13:04 Ivan: +1 16:13:12 Manu: I won't be able to chair next week. 16:13:31 Topic: Briefly discuss HTML+RDFa heartbeat requirement 16:16:06 Manu: We need to publish HTML5+RDFa by Jan 15th 16:16:12 zakim, unmute me 16:16:12 markbirbeck should no longer be muted 16:16:46 Manu: I'm going to add Syntax Rules from an Infoset perspective. 16:17:23 Manu: I'm also going to add coersion to Infoset addition that would ensure that infoset is the same between HTML5 and XHTML5 mode. 16:17:38 Ivan: There is another issue... 16:20:58 Ivan: What about getting specs out of sync? 16:21:03 Manu: We said we didn't want to do that. 16:22:21 Ivan: Will HTML5+RDFa be RDFa 1.0 or RDFa 1.1? 16:22:35 Ivan: We should decide at a later date and make sure we stay in sync with HTML WG. 16:23:00 Ivan: We will want to keep HTML5+RDFa and RDFa 1.1 in sync, if we can do that. 16:23:39 Mark: I think Ben had reservations about how much we put in. 16:24:21 Mark: It's a bigger group than us that should decide what should go into that spec. 16:30:31 Ivan: Do the HTML5 people accept that HTML5 (non-XML) can be expressed as an Infoset as well. 16:30:57 Mark: I'm not sure we can say anything more than "be careful" - that the Infoset might not be what you're expecting. 16:31:23 Mark: The DOM that is constructed from the source may be different in HTML5. 16:32:02 Mark: There are precise rules about bits missing in an HTML5 document - there is an algorithm from going from HTML5 to XHTML5. 16:32:39 Mark: I don't think that means that we should start writing the parsing algorithm from an Infoset perspective. 16:41:07 Ivan: We need to refer to the HTML5 description of what happens. 16:41:41 Manu: Well there are two things that we can be done - we say "In HTML5 mode, extract NS information like this, in XHTML5 mode, extract NS information like this." 16:44:44 Topic: "URIs everywhere" proposal 16:45:00 Manu: The proposal looks good. 16:45:34 Manu: There doesn't seem to be any blocking issues - looks good to me. 16:45:48 Mark: Nothing seems to have come up as major issues, no. 16:46:14 Manu: There seem to be 3 successful implementations so far. 16:46:44 Ivan: Only thing I'm concerned about is that for certain attributes, we can have a URI or /something else/. 16:47:10 Ivan: Dan Connolly may be concerned about this - not sure what we should do with that... 16:47:33 Ivan: I don't think it's a technical issue. 16:48:05 Mark: I think Steven said that there was succinct guidance that an attribute shouldn't be able to contain both a URI and a QName. 16:48:16 Mark: The argument was that you can't tell the difference between the two 16:48:27 Mark: but we now know that we can tell the difference. 16:49:02 Mark: We'd have to raise the issue and be ready to defend it. 16:49:25 Mark: We should have a draft, Shane could probably generate that for us - put a box in that says we should discuss with the TAG. 16:50:20 ACTION: Mark to ask Shane to generate URI Everywhere additions to XHTML+RDFa spec. 16:50:24 s/Shane could probably/Shane might be willing to/ 16:50:27 :) 16:54:00 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:54:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/10-rdfa-minutes.html manu 16:57:27 -markbirbeck 16:57:29 -manu 16:57:31 -Ivan 16:57:33 SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended 16:57:35 Attendees were manu, markbirbeck, Ivan 17:04:20 I've emailed Shane...so at least that part of my action is done. :) 17:43:42 zakim, bye 17:43:42 Zakim has left #rdfa 17:43:54 Regrets+ Ben_Adida 17:43:58 Regrets+ Steven_Pemberton 17:44:03 Regrets+ Shane_McCarron 17:47:50 rrsagent, draft minutes 17:47:50 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/10-rdfa-minutes.html manu