IRC log of ws-ra on 2009-12-08
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-ws-ra-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be WSRA
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- ok, trackbot, I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM already started
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- Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 08 December 2009
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- +[Microsoft]
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- LOL
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- 20:29:53 [Bob]
- new music while waiting feature
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- Love these picts: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1234047/Surfs-biggest-waves-years-come-Hawaii-North-Pacific-storm.html
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- +Wu_Chou
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- + +1.207.827.aabb
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- +Yves
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- +Tom_Rutt
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- scribenick: Li
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Dec/0019.html
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- TOPIC agenda
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- bob: clarify last call issues can be resolved earlier
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- agenda agreed
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- TOPIC minutes of last meeting
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- minutes approved
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- TOPIC review of snapshots
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- ...11/17/2009 revision
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- + +3531803aacc
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- snapshots approved and issues therein are closed
- 20:38:55 [dug]
- very hard to hear you martin
- 20:40:04 [li]
- TOPIC xml security x-path discussion thread
- 20:40:06 [MartinC]
- i was on headset mute thats why
- 20:40:30 [li]
- bob: two options
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- q+
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- -Tom_Rutt
- 20:41:04 [li]
- asir: we need to look at the technical issues before making decisions
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- bob: need to make decision before LC
- 20:42:09 [dug]
- sorry - was distracted - what are the two options?
- 20:42:10 [Bob]
- ack asir
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- yves: changing behavior vs. changing syntax for LC
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- ... cannot change behavior for LC
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- +Tom_Rutt
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- ram: other group should give us issues to address
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- bob: to contact fred for issues?
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- TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8176
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- ram: will investigate it for the next meeting
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- AI: ram to investigate 8176 for the next meeting
- 20:48:30 [Bob]
- Topic: Issue-6463
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- word doc: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Dec/att-0012/wsmex_sections_7_and_8_for_6463.doc
- 20:49:04 [li]
- TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6463
- 20:49:05 [jeffm]
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- 20:49:27 [li]
- katy: describe the issue and proposal
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- about:blank
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- mind:blank
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- + +1.408.970.aadd
- 20:53:04 [asir]
- q+
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- 20:53:10 [Bob]
- ack asir
- 20:53:24 [li]
- asir: haven't review it yet, but question is...
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- ... does the proposal cover both examples
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- katy: wouldn't object to putting another example
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- asir: discuss it next week
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- TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8200
- 20:56:51 [dug]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8200
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- dug: describe the issue and proposal
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- http://www.w3.org/2009/09/ws-mex/Dialects/ws-mex-all
- 20:58:11 [asir]
- q+ to point out http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Nov/0056.html
- 20:58:13 [li]
- ...it's a editorial typo
- 20:58:31 [Bob]
- ack asir
- 20:58:31 [Zakim]
- asir, you wanted to point out http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Nov/0056.html
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Nov/0056.html
- 20:59:29 [li]
- asir: agree it's a typo but also has non-editorial consequence
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- asir: the constraint at the table needs to be captured somhow
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- s/somhow/somehow/
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- dug: needs proposed text to proceed
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- AI: dug to refine proposal for 8200
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- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8227
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- q+
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- ack dug
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- asir and dug to clarify this issue from ashok
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- asir: looks ok
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- bob: any objection to resolving it?
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- bob: the issue is resolved
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- is there a 3B?
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- TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8283
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- -Tom_Rutt
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- bob: anybody speaking for gil?
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- +Tom_Rutt
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- 21:06:36 [dug]
- q+
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- ack dug
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- ram: should say MUST generate and MAY transmit
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- dug: should make this global for all specs
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- AI: ram to define "generate fault" for 8283
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- TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8287
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- bob: any objection to the proposal?
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- bob: issue resolved as proposed
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- TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8323
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- Filtering occurs prior to any formatting of notification messages.
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- Context Node: the root of the event XML.
- 21:11:07 [li]
- dug: section 2.3 clarifies the issue already
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- q+
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- ack ram
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- ram: cwna sounds good
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- bob: issue cwna but needs response to author
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- AI: dug to respond to issue 8323
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- and cc comments list
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- email to reviewer and cc public comments list
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- -[IPcaller]
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- TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8303
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- bob: any objection?
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- dug: yes
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- ...confused about the first child element
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- ...need to discuss with gil
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- TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8157
- 21:16:52 [li]
- dug: describe the issue
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- bob: any objection?
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- ram: why need this for enumeration?
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- dug: same reason for ws-e, as enum items can be empty as well
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- ram: it's different and will talk with dug in detail
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- TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8159
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- dug: describe the issue
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- ...and propose option 1
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- ram: what is the reason for option 1?
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- dug: explain the reason for resource limited devices
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- ram: looks fine
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- bob: resolve issue with proposal 1
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- -Mark_Little
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- TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8161
- 21:22:34 [li]
- dug: describe the issue
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- ram: looks good
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- bob: issue resolved as proposed
- 21:23:36 [li]
- TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8305
- 21:24:39 [li]
- dug: should be consistent with ws-e
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- bob: issue resolved as proposed
- 21:25:00 [li]
- TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8192
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- dug: describe the issue
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- ram: have question
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- ...will do more research
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- TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8194
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- dug: describe the issue
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- ram: fine with it
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- bob: issue resolved as proposed
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- TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8195
- 21:30:08 [li]
- dug: describe the issue
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- ...proposed to remove the sentence
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- - +984999aaaa
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- bob: issue resolved as proposed
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- + +984999aaee
- 21:31:38 [li]
- TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8291
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- dug: resolved already
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- TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8292
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- -Tom_Rutt
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- dug/ram: agree in general but needs concrete text
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- AI: gil to propose concrete text for 8292
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- +Tom_Rutt
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- TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8284
- 21:34:42 [dug]
- q+
- 21:34:51 [Bob]
- ack dug
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- dug: what are the differences between two versions of wsdl?
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- ram: one is a profile of wsdl 1.1 with restrictions
- 21:36:26 [asir]
- q+
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- ram: it's not clear how the profile is applicable to other use cases
- 21:36:54 [Bob]
- ack asir
- 21:37:20 [li]
- asir: bp 1.1 limits wsdl to soap 1.1 and http, not other soap or transports
- 21:37:47 [Wu]
- q+
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- ack wu
- 21:37:57 [li]
- ...not good to take a blank restriction on wsdl 1.1
- 21:38:21 [dug]
- q+
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- wu: agree with asir, we should support both bp 1.1 and wsdl 1.1
- 21:38:49 [Bob]
- ack dug
- 21:38:51 [li]
- ...suggest cwna
- 21:39:14 [tomrutt]
- q+
- 21:39:42 [li]
- dug: does bp 1.1 limit binding to http only?
- 21:39:52 [li]
- ram: is checking bp 1.1
- 21:40:32 [Bob]
- ack tom
- 21:41:02 [li]
- tom: wsdl 1.1 schema is fixed by bp 1.1 schemas
- 21:41:20 [asir]
- q+
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- tom: need to consider the diff on schemas before closing it
- 21:41:28 [Bob]
- ack asir
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- asir: can implementations be ws-ra and bp compliant as well?
- 21:42:53 [li]
- asir: there is no blocking for people to implement ws-ra and bp 1.1
- 21:43:08 [dug]
- q+
- 21:43:16 [Wu]
- q+
- 21:43:24 [Bob]
- ack dug
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- bob: is there any wsdl in ws-ra that violates bp 1.1?
- 21:43:56 [Wu]
- q-
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- dug: profiling wsdl may be too restrictive while restricting it is ok
- 21:44:27 [dug]
- s/restricting/fixing/
- 21:44:29 [li]
- dug: ok with cwna after talking with gil
- 21:44:56 [Wu]
- wu: ok with cwna
- 21:45:14 [asir]
- Asir: ok with CWNA
- 21:45:25 [li]
- AI: dug to take comments for cwna to the list
- 21:45:51 [li]
- TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8164
- 21:47:25 [dug]
- 129.33.49.251
- 21:47:27 [Bob]
- 10.0.0.2
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- thanks yves!
- 21:48:08 [Ram]
- q+
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- works
- 21:48:34 [Bob]
- yves, cat you make a cron job to clear dug?
- 21:48:44 [dug]
- LOL
- 21:48:51 [dug]
- its pretty consistent about it too
- 21:49:00 [li]
- ram: discuss it offline
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- q+
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- ack wu
- 21:49:31 [dug]
- q+
- 21:49:51 [li]
- wu: polling many events is ok while polling for one may be overkill
- 21:50:04 [Bob]
- ack ram
- 21:50:16 [li]
- ...could suggest using getstatus instead of mc polling
- 21:50:24 [Bob]
- ack dug
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- dug: subscription end provides more info than getstatus
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- wu: subscription end polling creates a lot overhead
- 21:52:23 [li]
- dug: subscription end poll is the same poll for other events
- 21:53:11 [li]
- wu: endto is different from notifyto by spec, as the default of endto is "not to send"
- 21:53:47 [li]
- dug: sharing EPR is an implementation choice
- 21:54:41 [li]
- ...spec needs to give choices to implementations
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- wu: we need to coordinate endto and notifyto
- 21:56:42 [li]
- ... or treat no-addressable endto as not usable
- 21:57:23 [asir]
- q+
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- AI: dug to modify proposal to address concern for 8164
- 21:57:54 [Ram]
- Wordsmithing: "Likewise, the wse:EndTo element MAY choose to supportmechanisms, such as the [WS-MakeConnection] specification, to enable delivery of the SubscriptionEnd message from the Subscription Manager."
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- bob: adjourn 40 sec early
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- bye
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- -Wu_Chou
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- -[Microsoft]
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- -Tom_Rutt
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- -[IBM]
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- - +984999aaee
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- -Bob_Freund
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- - +1.408.970.aadd
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- -Yves
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- - +1.207.827.aabb
- 21:59:00 [Bob]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
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- - +3531803aacc
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- WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended
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- Attendees were Mark_Little, [IPcaller], [IBM], Bob_Freund, +984999aaaa, [Microsoft], Wu_Chou, +1.207.827.aabb, Yves, Tom_Rutt, +3531803aacc, +1.408.970.aadd, +984999aaee
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