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16:00:28 <ChrisW> zakim, this will be rif
16:00:29 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, ChrisW
16:00:40 <ChrisW> zakim, this is rif
16:00:41 <Zakim> sorry, ChrisW, I do not see a conference named 'rif' in progress or scheduled at this time
16:01:12 <sandro> ?!
16:01:28 <sandro> zakim, this will be rif?
16:01:28 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, sandro
16:01:33 <sandro> zakim, this is rif?
16:01:33 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not see a conference named 'rif?' in progress or scheduled at this time
16:01:42 <ChrisW> uh oh
16:01:45 <sandro> yeah.
16:01:47 <ChrisW> zakim, room for 10?
16:01:49 <Zakim> ok, ChrisW; conference Team_(rif)16:01Z scheduled with code 7431 (RIF1) for 60 minutes until 1701Z; however, please note that capacity is now overbooked
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16:02:48 <Zakim> Team_(rif)16:01Z has now started
16:02:54 <Zakim> +[IBM]
16:03:06 <ChrisW> we are on #7431 dave
16:03:26 <ChrisW> zakim, ibm is temporarily me
16:03:58 <ChrisW> zakim
16:04:01 <ChrisW> zakim?
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16:04:19 <ChrisW> leora, we are at 7431# today
16:04:25 <Zakim> +ChrisW; got it
16:05:00 <LeoraMorgenstern> Oh, the password is different?
16:05:30 <ChrisW> Meeting: RIF Telecon 8-Dec-2009
16:05:38 <ChrisW> Chair: Chris Welty
16:06:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:06:03 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:06:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:06:20 <ChrisW> zakim, ipcaller is LeoraMorgenstern
16:06:41 <Zakim> +LeoraMorgenstern; got it
16:07:01 <sandro> Chris, I got the regular passcode working.   Shall we switch over?
16:07:14 <ChrisW> ok
16:07:32 <Zakim> -ChrisW
16:07:39 <Zakim> -LeoraMorgenstern
16:07:40 <Zakim> Team_(rif)16:01Z has ended
16:07:42 <Zakim> Attendees were ChrisW, LeoraMorgenstern
16:08:06 <sandro> zakim, this is rif
16:08:06 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches SW_RIF()11:00AM
16:08:19 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:08:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, [IBM], ??P4
16:08:28 <ChrisW> zakim, ibm is temporarily me
16:08:28 <Zakim> +ChrisW; got it
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16:08:54 <Zakim> +??P16
16:08:54 <ChrisW> zakim, ??p4 is josb
16:08:55 <Zakim> +josb; got it
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16:09:15 <sandro> zakim, who is one the call?
16:09:15 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, sandro.
16:09:20 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
16:09:23 <Zakim> -??P16
16:09:34 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ChrisW (25%)
16:09:50 <Zakim> + +1.503.533.aaaa
16:10:02 <Gary> zakim, aaaa is me
16:10:03 <Zakim> +Gary; got it
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16:10:14 <Zakim> +??P32
16:10:38 <ChrisW> zakim, ??p32 is LeoraMorgenstern
16:10:38 <Zakim> +LeoraMorgenstern; got it
16:10:41 <Zakim> + +1.631.833.aabb
16:10:52 <MichaelKifer> zakim, aabb is me
16:10:52 <Zakim> +MichaelKifer; got it
16:10:59 <LeoraMorgenstern> zakim, mute me
16:10:59 <Zakim> LeoraMorgenstern should now be muted
16:11:38 <ChrisW> scribe: Gary
16:11:50 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes public
16:11:50 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', ChrisW.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:11:58 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make logs public
16:12:26 <ChrisW> Last meeting minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2009Nov/0053.html
16:12:34 <ChrisW> Proposed: accept last meeting minutes
16:12:41 <ChrisW> Resolved: accept last meeting minutes
16:12:59 <ChrisW> TOPIC: Liason
16:13:18 <ChrisW> TOPIC: Action Review
16:13:37 <josb> done
16:13:45 <ChrisW> close action-955
16:13:45 <trackbot> ACTION-955 Contact Adrian Marte at STI2 about test cases and DTB support closed
16:14:15 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:14:52 <sandro> zakim, ipcaller is Dave_Reynolds
16:14:52 <Zakim> +Dave_Reynolds; got it
16:15:02 <sandro> indeed, we didn't hear anything.  :-(
16:15:32 <Gary> close action-939
16:15:32 <trackbot> ACTION-939 Draft reply to public comment CD3 closed
16:15:41 <josb> continued
16:16:01 <ChrisW> TOPIC: Public Comments
16:16:14 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Public_Comments
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16:17:47 <ChrisW> csma, are you coming to the call?
16:18:00 <csma> yes, trying to call in
16:19:12 <Zakim> +Christian
16:20:39 <ChrisW> action: csma to send cd3
16:20:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-957 - Send cd3 [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2009-12-15].
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16:22:07 <ChrisW> ack josb
16:22:34 <csma> zakim, mute me
16:22:34 <Zakim> sorry, csma, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
16:22:48 <csma> zakim, christian is me
16:22:48 <Zakim> +csma; got it
16:22:50 <ChrisW> action: josb to draft response to IH
16:22:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-958 - Draft response to IH [on Jos de Bruijn - due 2009-12-15].
16:22:55 <csma> zakim, mute me
16:22:55 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
16:24:02 <Gary> chrisw: dave, did you respond to MS?
16:24:07 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Response_to_MS
16:24:17 <ChrisW> der are you still there?
16:25:35 <Gary> ... assumes Dave responded to MS
16:25:58 <Zakim> -Dave_Reynolds
16:26:07 <ChrisW> TOPIC: Publication plan
16:26:08 <csma> q+
16:26:17 <csma> zakim, unmute me
16:26:17 <Zakim> csma should no longer be muted
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16:28:05 <Gary> csma: if we have another last call for PRD, what would be the schedule?
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16:28:53 <Zakim> +??P30
16:29:17 <Gary> sandro: LC must be at least 3 weeks, can go from LC to CR, so can publish 2nd last call in Jan and "keep up" with the other specs
16:29:59 <sandro> (was the sound okay when i was talking there?)
16:30:11 <DaveReynolds> Yes, the Michael Schneider comments were the ones I responded to. He sent an "I am satisfied" response.
16:31:35 <Gary> csma: not decided yet if the PRD refraction is a bug or requires a substantive change to the spec
16:32:05 <ChrisW> TOPIC: XML syntax of import
16:32:09 <csma> ack csma
16:32:17 <csma> zakim, mute me
16:32:18 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
16:33:43 <ChrisW> TOPIC: implementations
16:33:48 <Gary> michael: harold is in China and unavailable to discuss XML import
16:34:43 <ChrisW> zakim, pick a victim
16:34:43 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ChrisW
16:34:43 <csma> currently doing the change on comments
16:34:46 <ChrisW> zakim, pick a victim
16:34:46 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Sandro
16:34:53 <csma> will do the update after
16:35:07 <csma> zakim, unmute me
16:35:07 <Zakim> csma should no longer be muted
16:35:37 <csma> zakim, mute me
16:35:37 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
16:36:01 <csma> ack me
16:36:23 <csma> zakim, mute me
16:36:23 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
16:39:55 <Gary> michael: will create a wiki page for FLD implementations
16:41:38 <Gary> sandro: ensure style sheet for implementations is the basic one, not for W3C docs
16:41:45 <csma> implementation page updated for ontobroker
16:42:09 <MichaelKifer> Sandro, can you suggest the right style sheet?
16:42:50 <Gary> chrisw: any impl of RDF or OWL import?
16:42:59 <Gary> michael: silk probably supports RDF
16:43:33 <sandro> MichaelKifer, this one should be good: http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/TR/base.css
16:44:09 <ChrisW> action: sandro to contact jderoo about rdf support in EYE
16:44:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-959 - Contact jderoo about rdf support in EYE [on Sandro Hawke - due 2009-12-15].
16:44:57 <Gary> chrisw: need an OWL import implementation
16:45:59 <Zakim> -Sandro
16:46:04 <sandro> ooops
16:46:24 <Zakim> +Sandro
16:46:59 <Gary> chrisw: were there impl reports for OWL2 RL?
16:47:01 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Implementations
16:49:12 <Gary> sandro: wiki shows Jena and Oracle have OWL RL impls
16:49:17 <ChrisW> action: gary to contact Zhe Wu at oracle about whether the Oracle 11g Owl Reasoner could produce/consume RIF
16:49:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-960 - Contact Zhe Wu at oracle about whether the Oracle 11g Owl Reasoner could produce/consume RIF [on Gary Hallmark - due 2009-12-15].
16:50:18 <Gary> gary: issue is the many many RIF builtins
16:52:27 <ChrisW> TOPIC: Test cases
16:53:17 <csma> zakim, unmute me
16:53:17 <Zakim> csma should no longer be muted
16:54:26 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/AssertRetract
16:58:44 <Gary> chrisw: assertRetract test case is ok
16:58:53 <Gary> csma: yes but it is strange
16:59:08 <Gary> ... would like some more time to decide about it
16:59:18 <csma> bye
16:59:41 <Zakim> -csma
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17:00:28 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Multiple_Strings_from_IRI
17:02:19 <DaveReynolds> Looks OK to me.
17:03:17 <Gary> looks ok to me, but I'm glad I don't have to implement full equality :-)
17:04:50 <ChrisW> PROPOSED: Approve http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Multiple_Strings_from_IRI
17:04:53 <sandro> +1
17:04:57 <DaveReynolds> +1
17:04:57 <ChrisW> +1
17:05:10 <LeoraMorgenstern> +1
17:05:14 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: Approve http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Multiple_Strings_from_IRI
17:05:59 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Multiple_IRIs_from_String
17:06:56 <ChrisW> PROPOSED: Approve http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Multiple_IRIs_from_String
17:07:02 <DaveReynolds> +1
17:07:09 <sandro> +1
17:07:21 <josb> +1
17:07:23 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: Approve http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Multiple_IRIs_from_String
17:07:25 <LeoraMorgenstern> +1
17:09:09 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_Binary
17:10:23 <ChrisW> PROPOSED: accept http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_Binary
17:10:27 <josb> +1
17:10:37 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: accept http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_Binary
17:11:25 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_PlainLiteral
17:12:39 <LeoraMorgenstern> What is is-literal-not-plain-literal?
17:14:14 <ChrisW> PROPOSED: accept http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_PlainLiteral
17:14:17 <DaveReynolds> +1
17:14:17 <LeoraMorgenstern> +1
17:14:21 <josb> +1
17:14:27 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: accept http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_PlainLiteral
17:15:37 <DaveReynolds> q+ (to go back to binary test case)
17:17:26 <ChrisW> action: DaveReynolds to check base64Binary case http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_Binary
17:17:26 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - DaveReynolds
17:17:35 <ChrisW> action: Dave to check base64Binary case http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_Binary
17:17:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-961 - Check base64Binary case http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_Binary [on Dave Reynolds - due 2009-12-15].
17:19:57 <ChrisW> action: Chris to contact Stella about regenerating XML for BUiltins_string
17:19:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-962 - Contact Stella about regenerating XML for BUiltins_string [on Christopher Welty - due 2009-12-15].
17:20:15 <Gary> josb: fixed some rdf: vs xs: prefixes in Builtins_String
17:20:25 <Gary> chrisw: xml will need to be regenerated
17:24:07 <DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions/#func-substring
17:25:19 <josb> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/DTB#func:string-join_.28adapted_from_fn:string-join.29
17:25:25 <Gary> dave: 2nd substring looks wrong
17:25:51 <Gary> sandro: is it a 0-based or 1-based index problem?
17:27:14 <sandro> Note that, as in XPath-Functions, the first character of a string is located at position 1, not position 0. 
17:27:15 <Gary> chrisw: 3rd arg is length
17:27:52 <Gary> ... so strings start at 1 but Lists start at 0 (??)
17:29:26 <sandro> fn:substring("12345", 0, 3) returns "12".
17:30:25 <Gary> sandro: the starting index is 1, so starting at 0 is legal, just doesn't have a char
17:31:59 <Zakim> -MichaelKifer
17:32:16 <ChrisW> action: Chris to put BUiltins-String on agenda next time
17:32:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-963 - Put BUiltins-String on agenda next time [on Christopher Welty - due 2009-12-15].
17:32:18 <MichaelKifer> have to run
17:32:24 <Gary> chrisw: check replace builtin, and try to pass next time
17:32:27 <Zakim> -LeoraMorgenstern
17:32:29 <ChrisW> zakim, list attendees
17:32:29 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Sandro, ChrisW, josb, +1.503.533.aaaa, Gary, LeoraMorgenstern, +1.631.833.aabb, MichaelKifer, Dave_Reynolds, csma, DaveReynolds
17:32:33 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds
17:32:38 <Zakim> -josb
17:32:47 <ChrisW> Regrets: StellaMitchell Harold Boley HassanAitKaci
17:32:55 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes
17:32:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
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17:33:11 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make logs public
17:33:30 <Zakim> -ChrisW
17:33:31 <Zakim> -Gary
17:33:37 <Zakim> -Sandro
17:33:39 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended
17:33:40 <Zakim> Attendees were Sandro, ChrisW, josb, +1.503.533.aaaa, Gary, LeoraMorgenstern, +1.631.833.aabb, MichaelKifer, Dave_Reynolds, csma, DaveReynolds
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