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13:59:47 <mhausenblas> heya
13:59:53 <jar_> hi
13:59:58 <mhausenblas> can you give me the audio details once more please? :)
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14:03:07 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/http-semantics-report-20091204.html
14:03:12 <jar_> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/http-semantics-report.html
14:06:54 <dbooth> Meeting: AWWSW
14:06:59 <dbooth> Chair: Jonathan Rees
14:07:13 <dbooth> Present: Michael Hausenblas, Jonathan Rees, David Booth
14:07:40 <dbooth> Topic: Draft at http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/http-semantics-report.html
14:08:00 <dbooth> David: "corresponds to" sounds like "hasRepresentation"
14:11:25 <mhausenblas> regarding the time dimension
14:11:26 <mhausenblas> http://www.slideshare.net/hvdsomp/memento-time-travel-for-the-web
14:11:30 <jar_> HTTP spec doesn't use "has representation"
14:12:45 <dbooth> David: I was thinking a little about how to deal with time.  It seems to me there are two important cases: 1. The user/client only cares about the present.  2. The user/client wants to distinguish between what may hold now  and what may hold in the future/past.
14:14:38 <dbooth> David: These may justify two different granularities of ontology.
14:17:16 <mhausenblas> http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswHome/DraftReport
14:22:04 <dbooth> dbooth: In the section about Correspondences, s/reified correspondences/correspondences/
14:28:51 <mhausenblas> in section 'The 'data' URI scheme', please do s/ not occur in the RFC/not occur in the RFC2397
14:34:18 <mhausenblas> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hammer-discovery-03#section-8.2
14:38:43 <dbooth> David: I suggest calling "Coincidences" "Correspondence Delegation"
14:39:32 <mhausenblas> I'd prefer to cut down the list in sec. "Appendix: HTTP response status code analysis"
14:39:34 <mhausenblas> reasons
14:39:41 <mhausenblas> we have gone through all of them
14:39:53 <mhausenblas> and we have selected some to be relevant
14:40:49 <mhausenblas> what, for example distinguishes  a 305 (N/A) to a lot of  41x
14:41:01 <mhausenblas> both are N/A in my understanding
14:45:49 <dbooth> David: Also in the Coincides section, I suggest s/coincides_with/delegates_to/
14:48:23 <jar_> 307
14:49:45 <mhausenblas> from HTTPbis:
14:49:48 <mhausenblas> "If the 307 status code is received in response to a request method
14:49:49 <mhausenblas>    that is known to be "safe", as defined in Section 7.1.1, then the
14:49:49 <mhausenblas>    request MAY be automatically redirected by the user agent without
14:49:49 <mhausenblas>    confirmation. "
14:52:09 <jar_> 'cocorrespond'
14:53:43 <jar_> db: exposition problem
14:53:49 <jar_> explain why not 'delegation'
14:54:03 <dbooth> David: I think the ont would be clearer if the n-ary relations are made more explicit, perhaps with a diagram.
14:54:55 <jar_> ruby book re 307/303
15:01:04 <jar_> X speaks for Y  means:  if X authorizes Z, then Y authorizes Z
15:08:19 <jar_> assume that server and client agree on a way to divide frame from main content
15:15:03 <dbooth> David: In correspondences section, would be good to explain that a correspondence is like 'has representation" in AWWW.
15:23:21 <jar_> class C
15:23:48 <jar_> C is class of tuples  (formal artifact implementation an n-ary relation) if:
15:24:00 <jar_> there exist projections P1, ..., Pn
15:24:19 <jar_> such that Pi  is functional  i.e. C related via Pi to only one thing  (OWL)
15:24:42 <jar_> s/projections/properties/
15:25:49 <jar_> i.e. there is a unique c in C such that C P1 x1 ... C Pn xn
15:25:49 <dbooth> If C has tuples <r,a,u>
15:26:40 <jar_> ...  =>  and ... and
15:26:55 <dbooth> e.g., <r1, a1, u1>
15:27:21 <jar_> when is C a class of triples?
15:29:34 <jar_> when is C a product?
15:37:33 <jar_> thanks
15:37:57 <dbooth> rrsagent, make logs public
15:38:03 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:38:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/04-awwsw-minutes.html dbooth
15:39:32 <dbooth> David: This is excellent work Jonathan.  And I like very much the "speaks for" notion that you've put in the httpRange-14 section
15:39:38 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
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17:23:01 <mhausenblas> did my updates
17:23:04 <mhausenblas> gotta run now