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16:00:14 <PGrosso> Zakim, this is xproc
16:00:33 <Zakim> ok, PGrosso; that matches XML_PMWG()11:00AM
16:00:37 <Norm> Zakim, what's the passcode?
16:00:55 <Zakim> the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Norm
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16:03:14 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
16:03:14 <Norm> Date: 3 Dec 2009
16:03:14 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/12/03-agenda
16:03:14 <Norm> Meeting: 161
16:03:14 <Norm> Chair: Norm
16:03:14 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
16:03:16 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
16:03:22 <Zakim> +Alex_Milows
16:03:47 <Zakim> +Jeroen
16:03:57 <Vojtech> Zakim, Jeroen is Vojtech
16:04:04 <Zakim> +Vojtech; got it
16:04:05 <Norm> Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:04:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see PGrosso, Norm, Alex_Milows, Vojtech
16:05:32 <Norm> Present: Paul, Norm, Alex, Vojtech
16:05:34 <Zakim> +Murray_Maloney
16:05:42 <Norm> Present: Paul, Norm, Alex, Vojtech, Murray
16:05:49 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
16:05:49 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/12/03-agenda
16:06:02 <Norm> Accepted.
16:06:07 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
16:06:08 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/11/12-minutes
16:06:19 <Norm> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2009Nov/0026.html
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16:06:36 <Norm> Accepted.
16:06:41 <ht> zakim, please call ht-781
16:06:41 <Zakim> ok, ht; the call is being made
16:06:43 <Zakim> +Ht
16:06:49 <Norm> Topic: Next meeting: telcon, 10 Dec 2009
16:07:17 <Norm> Paul is at risk for 10 December; Murray possibly.
16:07:24 <Norm> Present: Paul, Norm, Alex, Vojtech, Murray, Henry
16:07:35 <Norm> Topic: CR issues
16:08:35 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/11/cr-comments/
16:10:50 <Norm> Topic: 174 formal qualification for things like p:xpath-context, etc.
16:11:08 <Norm> Henry: This seems to me to be about the question of what is the error. The answer is there's been a static error since day one.
16:11:31 <Norm> Henry: What is the error for p:banana in p:for-each
16:11:55 <Norm> Norm: For ordinary behavior, I think the answer is clear. I think this is about fowards-compatible behavior.
16:12:00 <ht> or my:zoolander in p:for-each
16:12:15 <Norm> Vojtech: It's a static error because it's an unknown element or a dynamic error if it's an unknown step.
16:13:16 <Norm> Norm: It's a static error in the my:zoolander case because you have to have imported a decl for it.
16:14:49 <Norm> Henry: You have to use use-when.
16:15:16 <Norm> Vojtech: With respect to instruction-avaialble, you can always use the version.
16:16:10 <Norm> Norm: You can check for an available step, but not an available new thing like p:new-serialization.
16:16:28 <Norm> Vojtech: That would be a new language feature.
16:16:39 <Norm> Norm: Right, and I think we're willing to live with a little less flexibility there.
16:17:51 <Norm> Vojtech: Checking for p:new-serialization wouldn't be flexible enough, you might want to check for an attribute for example.
16:18:13 <Norm> Henry: Basically, you want to say "use-when this stylesheet will work" and that's just not easy. You'll have to use version numbers for now.
16:18:58 <Norm> Henry: Version-available is all you get in V1 and that's going to have to be enough.
16:19:31 <Norm> ACTION: Henry to follow-up with Vasil.
16:20:01 <Norm> Topic: 176 p:output and connections
16:21:47 <Norm> ACTION: Editor to consider whether it's possible to clarify the definitions of atomic and compound steps.
16:23:08 <Norm> Topic: 177 p:use-when on non-XProc elements
16:23:27 <Norm> Vojtech: There were two things. I think no action is necessary.
16:23:43 <Norm> Norm: Perfect, I'll close that one.
16:24:58 <Norm> Topic: 178 exclude-inline-prefixes
16:25:14 <Norm> This was discussed at the 12 November meeting. Decision was that no name change was necessary.
16:26:24 <Norm> Norm: I updated 5.12
16:26:32 <Norm> Henry: I saw that and concluded that my action had been overtaken.
16:26:34 <Norm> Vojtech: Yes.
16:26:41 <Norm> Norm: Proposal: close as resolved
16:26:47 <Norm> Accepted.
16:27:41 <Norm> Topic: 179 use-when and p:episode
16:27:58 <Norm> Norm: Updated 3.9. Is everyone satisfied?
16:28:23 <Norm> Henry: I'm still concerned about listing only what isn't possible. I had listed the things that are available.
16:28:46 <ht> zakim, disconnect ht
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16:28:48 <Norm> Vojtech: If you use use-when in a pipeline labeled version=1.0, then step-available only sees the 1.0 steps, right?
16:28:50 <Norm> Norm: Uh...
16:28:52 <ht> zakim, call ht-781
16:28:52 <Zakim> ok, ht; the call is being made
16:28:54 <Zakim> +Ht
16:29:08 <Norm> Vojtech: Which means that during pre-processing you must take version into account.
16:29:43 <Norm> Norm: Yes, I think that's right.
16:30:13 <Norm> Norm: I think the fact that you're in a 1.0 pipeline is something you must know when you evaluate use-when expressions.
16:30:48 <Norm> Vojtech: So a 1.0 pipeline with a 2.0 declare-step, if the declare-step includes a use-when you have to use 2.0
16:30:57 <Norm> Norm: Yes, that's probably worth mentioning.
16:31:38 <Norm> ACTION: Norm to clarify that version comes into play in use-when
16:36:45 <Norm> Topic: 180 passing a boolean value as a with-param
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16:39:14 <Norm> Henry: Why doesn't this just work?
16:39:28 <Norm> Norm: Because the XPath 2 type system doesn't promote from xs:string to anything automatically.
16:39:35 <Norm> Norm: I think this just a limitation in v1.0
16:40:01 <Norm> Proposal: We just have to live with it.
16:40:22 <Norm> Norm: Any objections?
16:40:25 <Norm> Accepted.
16:40:49 <Norm> Topic: 181 using tokens
16:40:52 <Norm> Norm: No new features at this point.
16:41:21 <Norm> Topic: 184 iteration position and size
16:41:30 <Norm> Norm: I think the upshot is only viewport and for-each change the values
16:42:00 <Norm> ACTION: Editor to clarify
16:43:15 <Norm> Topic: 185 content-disposition and content-id
16:43:21 <Norm> ACTION: Alex to investigate and report back
16:44:46 <Norm> Topic: 186 encoding and charset
16:45:29 <Norm> Vojtech: In making the request, if you say encoding=base64 with no charset, then you just send the decoded byte sequence, right?
16:46:16 <Norm> Alex: c:body has content-type but no charset
16:46:45 <Norm> Norm: Right, I think Vojtech's argument to put it in the content type is compelling.
16:48:44 <Norm> Norm: Yes, c:data on those steps should be consistent with unescape markup
16:52:16 <Norm> Topic: 190 Namespace attribute for steps that take wrappers
16:52:27 <Norm> Henry: I'm happy with new-prefix.
16:54:16 <Norm> Norm: I propose to add new-namespace and new-prefix (with appropriate names) to all the steps that have wrapper element names as options.
16:54:21 <Norm> Norm: Any objectins?
16:54:25 <Norm> s/objectins/objections/
16:54:27 <Norm> Accepted.
16:55:03 <Norm> Topic: 191 Nodeilsts as value
16:55:07 <Norm> Norm: No new features.
16:55:23 <PGrosso> s/Nodeilsts/Nodelists/
16:56:20 <Norm> Norm: I think I should have filtered this one out.
16:56:35 <Zakim> -Alex_Milows
16:56:46 <Norm> Topic: Recent editor's draft
16:56:51 <Norm> Henry: I'm happy with it.
16:56:58 <alexmilowski> huh..
16:57:02 <alexmilowski> I'm still on the phone...
16:57:04 <Norm> Vojtech: I have one small thing regarding the XQuery step.
16:57:08 <alexmilowski> but you all don't think so. :(
16:57:35 <alexmilowski> I'm happy with the most recent draft too.
16:58:18 <Norm> ...I think in Santa Clara we concluded that for things like XQuery or text input, we don't inherit any namespace bindings.
16:59:08 <Norm> Norm: I'd have to review the minutes again.
17:00:41 <Norm> Topic: Last call plans
17:01:52 <Norm> Norm: We're out of time, I'll take it to email
17:01:58 <Norm> Topic: Any other business?
17:02:04 <Norm> None heard.
17:02:05 <Norm> Adjourned.
17:02:09 <Zakim> -Murray_Maloney
17:02:11 <Zakim> -Norm
17:02:11 <Zakim> -Vojtech
17:02:12 <Zakim> -Ht
17:02:15 <Zakim> -PGrosso
17:02:15 <Norm> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
17:02:16 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()11:00AM has ended
17:02:18 <Zakim> Attendees were PGrosso, Norm, Alex_Milows, Vojtech, Murray_Maloney, Ht
17:02:20 <Norm> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:02:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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