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20:00:48 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
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20:00:49 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
20:00:49 <trackbot> Date: 03 December 2009
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20:01:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:02:26 <ed> Zakim, [IP is me
20:02:26 <Zakim> +ed; got it
20:02:57 <Zakim> +Shepazu
20:07:31 <Zakim> +??P3
20:07:42 <anthony> Zakim, ??P3 is me
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20:16:21 <anthony> Scribe: anthony
20:16:25 <anthony> Chair: Erik
20:16:33 <anthony> Topic: Next Face-to-face
20:17:14 <anthony> ED: Currently JW may have problems traveling to Australia
20:17:27 <anthony> ... looking at having the meeting in Europe
20:17:36 <anthony> ... around Jan - Feb
20:18:20 <anthony> CL: Will he be shifting around that time?
20:18:29 <anthony> DS: Not before Feb
20:18:36 <anthony> ... we could catch JW before he moves
20:20:56 <anthony> ... He's currently near Amsterdam
20:22:01 <anthony> ... Need to check if this is ok with him
20:23:27 <anthony> Topic: Action Update
20:23:39 <anthony> ED: I was doing a couple of actions
20:23:55 <anthony> ... master to publish scripts don't seem to be giving me all the right firles
20:24:02 <anthony> s/firles/files/
20:24:12 <anthony> ED: I think I fixed the Java bindings
20:24:28 <anthony> ... have a couple of fixes that I would like to get into the publish version
20:24:43 <anthony> ... working on extracting test cases for getIntersectionList
20:25:23 <anthony> CL: ACTION-2664 I worked out what the transfer codes for RGB
20:25:34 <anthony> ... I plotted those in SVG
20:26:11 <anthony> ... if you have 8 bit resolution you can't see any differences between the different RGB gamuts
20:26:35 <anthony> ... sending an email
20:27:29 <anthony> AG: Need to complete the full page
20:27:32 <ChrisL> email sent - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009OctDec/0054.html
20:27:39 <anthony> ... was going to use the Tiny script and modify it
20:27:49 <shepazu> ACTION-2203?
20:27:49 <trackbot> ACTION-2203 -- Doug Schepers to add to the 1.1 Full errata that the initial value for the root overflow property is scroll rather than hidden -- due 2008-09-30 -- PENDINGREVIEW
20:27:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2203
20:28:06 <ChrisL> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009OctDec/att-0054/sRGB3.svg
20:35:25 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#overflow_visible ? 
20:38:25 <anthony> CL: I've updated links in the spec relating to ACTION-2664 so they point to a PDF containing the information
20:40:11 <anthony> DS: Any feedback on 'Overflow Visible' errata?
20:40:24 <anthony> ED: What about reference gradients and patterns?
20:40:42 <ed> s/gradients/markers/
20:41:26 <anthony> ED: David was complaining about when you have an SVG inside another SVG
20:41:32 <anthony> DS: No I think it was the reverse
20:41:52 <anthony> ... I think the main change I made was to say that the root SVG element is
20:42:03 <anthony> ... now visible as declared in CSS2 overflow
20:42:27 <anthony> ... and then I said with a child element (including child SVG, pattern and marker) it's hidden
20:44:38 <anthony> ... so that action is complete
20:44:52 <anthony> CL: I did an update on ACTION-2682
20:44:53 <ChrisL> Update on ACTION-2682'
20:45:01 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/implementation-report.html
20:45:17 <anthony> CL: That's the latest update on the implementation report
20:46:07 <anthony> ... Erik has an action relating to types-dom-02-f
20:46:29 <anthony> ... For painting-stroke-10-t we could back out the change
20:46:30 <ChrisL> painting-stroke-10-t is still an issue, stroking zero length paths. no imp does this yet
20:46:45 <anthony> ... and leave it for the next version of the errata
20:47:10 <anthony> ... this would be the only one to roll back assuming you split types-dom-02-f
20:47:28 <anthony> ED: We get a pass from Opera and probably Batik
20:47:48 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/text-tref-02-b.svg
20:48:03 <ChrisL> please run in webkit
20:48:36 <ChrisL> crash! excellent
20:48:37 <anthony> DS: Crashed webkit
20:49:05 <anthony> CL: I didn't know what 'X' meant in the sheet
20:50:05 <shepazu> &#x2620;
20:50:14 <shepazu> ☠
20:50:30 <anthony> CL: Tests almost done
20:50:33 <ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Errata_in_SVG_1.1_Second_Edition
20:50:37 <anthony> ED: Only 3 or 4 left to review
20:51:13 <anthony> ... I will get to the intersection ones soon
20:51:35 <anthony> s/intersection/IntersectionList/
20:52:29 <anthony> Topic: Params Feedback
20:52:37 <anthony> DS: Dr Olaf sent in an email
20:53:03 <anthony> ... 1. Suggested syntax for the params URL
20:53:34 <anthony> ... It was a bit verbose, but we will have to do something like #params and name value pairs
20:53:51 <anthony> ... First change is reasonable
20:54:23 <anthony> ... 2. Rather than have explicit params to be laid out in a document. You allow the author to select and identify
20:54:36 <anthony> ... any element and then change an attribute in that
20:54:57 <anthony> ... But it's basically inventing CSS in a URL string
20:55:39 <anthony> ... the idea of params is have structured documents with exposed attributes
20:55:48 <anthony> ... and allow them to be changed by other documents
20:56:17 <anthony> ... 3. He said it was too simple and he'd like to insert fragments into the whole document
20:56:43 <anthony> ... I received similar feedback off list suggesting that params was too simple
20:56:53 <anthony> ... But it's out of the scope of params
20:57:04 <anthony> ... Should use XSLT to do stuff like that
20:57:29 <anthony> ... I don't want to increase the complexity of the specification
20:57:41 <anthony> ... These are my initial reactions to the feedback
20:58:09 <anthony> CL: I think sticking CSS in a URI string is pretty weird.
20:58:21 <anthony> DS: Although we had an idea of forcing a style sheet on something
20:58:33 <anthony> CL: I wouldn't do that necessarily by URI
21:01:45 <shepazu> mysvg.svg#params({color1:blue; fade:0.5;})
21:01:55 <shepazu> mysvg.svg#params(color1:blue; fade:0.5;)
21:02:12 <anthony> ED: Something like that
21:03:09 <anthony> DS: I think that idea is ok, because you can have a property bag
21:03:29 <anthony> ... and it would be easy to pass in values
21:03:35 <anthony> ... I'd be open to that idea
21:03:53 <anthony> ... I don't really want to rely on the URL string only
21:04:30 <anthony> ... CSS would probably like that syntax because it's probably the only way it can be done with CSS
21:05:25 <anthony> AG: So 'params' would be a reserved word?
21:05:57 <anthony> DS: Yes
21:06:47 <anthony> ... I like the JSON syntax idea
21:07:12 <anthony> ... with the property bag
21:07:33 <anthony> ED: Would that be similar to what Dr. Olaf suggested?
21:07:49 <anthony> DS: No different. A person wouldn't need a 'param' key word
21:08:16 <anthony> ... they could access any element id
21:10:16 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#attr-iframe-seamless
21:14:37 <anthony> Topic: DOM3 Events Group
21:15:03 <anthony> DS: We decided not to meet for the remainder of the year
21:15:37 <anthony> ED: I don't mind having meetings in the next week
21:16:19 <anthony> DS: What about saying we do the next two telcons then work on list
21:17:10 <anthony> ... I never pushed integration spec
21:17:19 <anthony> ... because there were too many bugs with it
21:17:36 <anthony> ... I can push it before Christmas
21:18:20 <anthony> ... The tables are pretty much ready
21:19:15 <anthony> RESOLUTION: We agree to publish the Integration specification
21:22:38 <anthony> DS: DOM 3 Events is thinking deprecating DOMActivate
21:23:00 <anthony> ... because at this point 'click' pretty much does everything that DOMActive does anyway
21:23:11 <anthony> ... having that complicates the model
21:23:31 <anthony> ... so we are thinking of extending 'click' to cover DOMActivate completely
21:23:40 <anthony> CL: I think it's a reasonable idea
21:23:56 <anthony> ... in practice they've almost been the same thing
21:24:15 <anthony> DS: We should simplify it to say just use 'click'
21:24:50 <anthony> ... As long as you say 'click' just doesn't mean click
21:25:03 <anthony> ... I believe Opera implemented DOMActivate
21:25:13 <anthony> ED: I think we have code to handle it but we don't dispatch it
21:25:21 <anthony> ... I don't object to the change
21:25:37 <anthony> ... I'd be happy having it behave like 'click'
21:25:44 <anthony> ... or have it replaced by 'click'
21:26:00 <anthony> ... There is very little code that would break in practice if we did that
21:26:15 <anthony> DS: I think you would find more on Mobile SVG content
21:27:11 <anthony> RESOLUTION: SVG Working Group is ok with deprecating DOMActivate as long as the accessibility people are happy with this also
21:28:11 <anthony> Topic: Christmas Break
21:28:22 <anthony> DS: So we were meeting for telcons next
21:28:32 <anthony> ... and then that's it until January
21:30:06 <anthony> AG: Which date?
21:30:21 <anthony> DS: Early. Anthony can you clarify which dates you get back from holidays
21:30:27 <anthony> Topic: Charter
21:30:42 <anthony> DS: I'm simplifying the charter
21:30:49 <anthony> ... and I updated it
21:32:11 <anthony> ... I will try to get the charter to you guys before the end of the year
21:32:28 <anthony> ... I want to put it in front of the AC soonish
21:33:00 <anthony> ... I've put my two deliverables in the charter
21:33:16 <anthony> ... if there is anything else that you guys think of let me know
21:36:27 <Zakim> -anthony
21:36:29 <Zakim> -ed
21:36:47 <anthony> trackbot, end telcon
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21:36:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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21:36:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
21:36:49 <RRSAgent> I see no action items