IRC log of html-a11y on 2009-12-03

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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 03 December 2009
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has now started
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Scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita
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ScribeNick: oedipus
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regrets: chaals,Laura_Carlson,Joshue_O_Connor,Stephane_Deschamps,Kelly_Ford,Gez_Lemon,Aurélien_Levy,Sylvia_Pfeiffer,Cynthia_Shelly,Maciej_Stachowiak,
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+ +1.650.862.aaaa
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+ +1.512.206.aabb
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zakim, aaaa is John_Foliot
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+John_Foliot; got it
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15:58:26 [Stevef]
zakim, ??P1 is me
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+Stevef; got it
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15:58:57 [oedipus]
standing regrets for 1600h UTC thursdays: Laura_Carlson, Gez_Lemon, Sylvia_Pfeiffer
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+ +49.693.650.5.aacc
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zakim, aabb is really AllanJ
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+AllanJ; got it
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zakim, mute me
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sorry, dsinger_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:59:40 [MichaelC]
zakim, +49 is Martin_Kliehm
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+Martin_Kliehm; got it
15:59:41 [janina]
zakim, this will be a11y
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ok, janina; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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zakim, aacc is me
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sorry, kliehm, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
15:59:57 [dsinger_]
zakim, who is on the phone?
15:59:58 [Zakim]
I notice WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has restarted
15:59:59 [janina]
zakim, call janina
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On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmaita, John_Foliot, AllanJ, Stevef, Cooper, dsinger, Martin_Kliehm
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16:00:04 [Zakim]
ok, janina; the call is being made
16:00:05 [MichaelC]
zakim, Martin is kliehm
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+kliehm; got it
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+ +1.408.307.aadd
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+ +1.617.300.aaee - is perhaps WGBH?
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16:01:00 [oedipus]
zakim, aaee is Geoff_Freed
16:01:09 [eric_carlson]
408 is eric_carlson
16:01:12 [MichaelC]
zakim, +1.408 is Eric_Carlson
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sorry, oedipus, I do not recognize a party named 'aaee'
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+Eric_Carlson; got it
16:01:28 [MichaelC]
zakim, ??P22 is Henny_Swan
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Zakim, mute dsinger_
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+Henny_Swan; got it
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+ +1.207.388.aaff
16:01:52 [oedipus]
zakim, +1.617.300.aaee is Geoff_Freed
16:01:59 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
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sorry, dsinger_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to dsinger_
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sorry, oedipus, I do not recognize a party named '+1.617.300.aaee'
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ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:02:28 [dsinger_]
zakim, who is on the phone?
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16:02:56 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmaita, John_Foliot, AllanJ, Stevef, Cooper, dsinger, kliehm, Janina, Eric_Carlson, WGBH?, Henny_Swan, +1.207.388.aaff, ??P28, Mike (muted)
16:02:56 [oedipus]
zakim, pointer?
16:03:17 [oedipus]
zakim, WGBH? is Geoff_Freed
16:03:22 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, drop Mike
16:03:26 [dsinger_]
Zakim, mute dsinger
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I don't understand your question, oedipus.
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+Geoff_Freed; got it
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sorry, MikeSmith, I do not see a party named 'Mike'
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dsinger should now be muted
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zakim, ??P28 is Ben_Caldwell
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+Ben_Caldwell; got it
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16:04:06 [MichaelC]
zakim, +1.207 is probably Marco_Ranon
16:04:09 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
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+Marco_Ranon?; got it
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ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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16:04:19 [Ben]
zakim, I am Ben_Caldwell
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ok, Ben, I now associate you with Ben_Caldwell
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zakim, Matt is Matt_May
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+Matt_May; got it
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+ +1.217.840.aagg
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Zakim, Mike is me
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+MikeSmith; got it
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- +1.217.840.aagg
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16:05:08 [oedipus]
the church of the subgenius
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zakim, ??P38 is Joshue
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+Joshue; got it
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+ +1.217.840.aahh
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- +1.217.840.aahh
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zakim, mute me
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Joshue should now be muted
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JS: cofacillitator from PFWG, MikeSmith facillitator from HTML WG, Michael Cooper staff contact for TF
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JS: goal: sense of what we should be working on through january and in what order
16:07:23 [janina]
Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
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Chair: Janina_Sajka
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agenda: this
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agenda+ identify scribe
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agenda+ Participation Expectations Discussion--Good Standing Draft
16:07:23 [MichaelC]
zakim, Marco is temp
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agenda+ TF Subgroups (Canvas; Video; ...) Procedures Discussion
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agenda+ Existing Issues Prioritization--What? Who? When?
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agenda+ next and future meetings--December Deliverables
16:07:29 [MichaelC]
zakim, Ben is Marco_Ranon
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+temp; got it
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agenda+ New Business
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agenda+ be done
16:07:35 [MichaelC]
zakim, temp is Ben_Caldwell
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+Marco_Ranon; got it
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+Ben_Caldwell; got it
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i/JS: goal/topic: Getting Acquainted
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JS: janina sajka
16:07:58 [MichaelC]
zakim, WGBH has Geoff_Freed
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sorry, MichaelC, I do not recognize a party named 'WGBH'
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16:08:18 [oedipus]
JS: please state name before speaking during first few meetings
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I was disconnected from the bridge twice
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JS: there are a number of people who cannot join call
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standing regrets for 1600h UTC thursdays: Laura_Carlson, Gez_Lemon, Sylvia_Pfeiffer
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JS: wasn't time that worked for everybody - will take stock of meeting attendance weekly
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JS: if need to adjust meeting date/time, can do, but will try thursdays at 1600h UTC
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topic: Participation & Expectations
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JS: will introduce topics and open for discussion
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JS: should expect that co-facillitators will rotate as far as chairing
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chair: Janina_Sajka
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+ +1.217.840.aaii
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16:10:54 [oedipus]
JS: primarly drawn from PF and HTML WGs but are own group
16:11:11 [MichaelC]
zakim, +1.217 is Jon_Gunderson
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+Jon_Gunderson; got it
16:11:14 [oedipus]
s/primarly drawn/participants primarily drawn/
16:11:32 [oedipus]
JS: establishing TF identity - not PF nor HTML, but HTML A11y Task Force
16:11:32 [MichaelC]
zakim, IPCaller is Markku_Hakkinen
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+Markku_Hakkinen; got it
16:11:53 [oedipus]
JS: co-facillitators and staff contact have had discussion - want to lay out what is expected of participants
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JS: expect those here to be ACTIVE participants
16:12:23 [oedipus]
JS: here to participate in decisions and discussions that will lead to HTML specs that adequately support a11y -- raison d'etre
16:12:36 [oedipus]
JS: participate in telecons as able, through email, through wiki
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16:13:13 [oedipus]
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JS: policy for TF re: good standing - based on participation
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JS: co-facilliltators working on draft of good standing
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JS: point is not to be bureaucratic, but efficient
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JS: solutions-oriented work
16:14:18 [MichaelC]
regrets+ Wendy_Chisholm
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JS: asked to create task force from PF - HTML WG agreed and offered to co-facillitate
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JS: point: expedite accessibility issues, concerns, bugs, etc.
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JS: brief statement about expectations on how TF members will conduct themselves; we are all professionals, so please conduct self with professionalism
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JS: keep discussions and debates on the issues and specific technologies
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JS: avoid personalities and focus on solutions and concrete suggestions
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MS (MikeSmith)
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MS: good summation
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JS: quick thumbnail of good standing process
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JS: will finish draft and send to html-a11y list for review and consensus at next thursday's meeting
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MC (Michael Cooper)
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MC: using W3C "good standing" process as closely to letter of W3C process as possible
16:18:05 [oedipus]
MC: good standing = participation in some form at least once every 2 weeks
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MC: number of channels TF uses
16:18:15 [dsinger_]
dsinger_ has changed the topic to: HTML accessibility
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MC: email list, wiki,
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MC: if not at telecon, reading/reviewing minutes
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MC: important to keep all hands busy since fortunate enough to have such a large response
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MC: if people aren't able to be active, will be marked as "not in good standing" -- effect: 1 marked as not in good standing, cannot make objection to decisions if not in good standing
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MC: only participants in good standing can make decisions
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MC: important to be in good standing in order to have voice in TF
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MC: if conflicts arise, let the co-facillitators and staff contact know
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MC: to restore good standing, all one need do is participate in TF fora
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JS: questions?
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JS: will conduct ourselves as the professionals we are
16:21:36 [oedipus]
JS: TF evolving its own procedures; one aspect how to reach decisions
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JS: can start with W3C consensus policies
16:22:11 [oedipus]
JS: when not unanimous on specific approach, need to figure out how to reach decision of group in such cases; not simple majority voting, but what?
16:22:26 [oedipus]
JS: think we can take time to figure out as TF members become more familiar with one another
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JS: can develop own decision-making processes -- keep in mind, that it is an evolving process
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HTML A11y Task Force Home Page:
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HTML A11y Task Force Work Statement:
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JS: will make decisions in teleconferences as PFWG does; will NOT make major decisions -- those will be covered by email solicitations (24-48 hour "heartburn" check)
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s/major decisions.../major decisions at teleconferences.
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s/major decisions/major decisions at teleconferences.
16:25:34 [oedipus]
JS: if participant has needs special needs (interpreters for deaf, for example) will make every attempt to support participation (interpreters, etc.) -- will be working on decisioning process, this telecon is part of that
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JS: goal: to hear from all interested/affected parties
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate oedipus
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MS: important that TF members know how decision making policy vis a vis telecon recording resolutions and decisions
16:26:59 [oedipus]
JS: questions? comments?
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[none logged]
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topic: TF Subgroups (Canvas; Video; ...) Procedures Discussion
16:27:41 [oedipus]
JS: adopting a sub-group that pre-exists A11y TF -- canvas sub-team led by RichS of IBM
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JS: also adopting another group which is in process of organizing, which is sub-team dealing with media issues
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JS: accessibility for multimedia on HTML5
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JS: JohnF and DaveS did great presentation during TPAC
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JS: expectations for sub-groups: you are on your own - can have own teleons (as canvas does)
16:28:55 [oedipus]
JS: might be useful for media subgroup to have own list and teleconferences
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JS: canvas already having own telecons
16:29:19 [dsinger_]
We organized an informal meeting prior to Tpac, no presentation at Tpac
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JS: might need to invite experts for particular discussions
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s/during TPAC/in advance of TPAC 2009
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JS: tracker - can add "products" pegged to topics
16:30:49 [oedipus]
JS: for W3C process -- on wiki, have a minimal work statement for each sub-teacm for wiki -- this is what this sub-group is about and this is what its goals and timeline and work plan is
16:30:54 [oedipus]
RS (RichS)
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RS: most a11y people will be tied up until monday (publication of new ARIA draft)
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JS: would like to get subgroup descriptions, etc on wiki by end of year
16:32:02 [oedipus]
SF (Steve Faulkner)
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SF: when decide about formation of sub-groups in addition to canvas and multimedia
16:32:36 [JF]
Does Steve have an idea for another Sub Group?
16:32:42 [oedipus]
JS: as prioritize issues, should shake out into a work plan -- may decide during review of issues to spawn supgroup if necessary
16:32:46 [Joshue]
zakim, unmute me
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Joshue should no longer be muted
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JOC (Joshue O Connor)
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JOC: if any groups that want me for any issue, please do because i have some open time right now
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate oedipus
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zakim, mute me
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Joshue should now be muted
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TOPIC: Existing Issues Prioritization -- What? Who? When?
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JS: facillitators and staff contact thought that ARIA-mapping may be one area
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JS: what to do with @alt
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JS: @summary
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JS: brainstorm roadmap of what to attack when
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GJR: need to ascertain what from HTML5 has been implemented
16:35:58 [Joshue]
GJR: One means of prioritising is that we need to know what parts of HTML are being implemented etc so we can anticipate any issues.
16:36:00 [JF]
+1 GJR
16:36:11 [Joshue]
GJR: Our work should be mapped to HTML in the wild
16:36:12 [oedipus]
regrets- Joshue_O_Connor
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present+ Joshue_O_Connor
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JS: used keywords in HTML5 bugzilla to identify accessiblity related issues - keyword: a11y
16:37:15 [oedipus]
16:37:45 [MikeSmith]
q+ to say that there are other implementations to consider other than just browsers
16:37:57 [Joshue]
16:38:02 [oedipus]
ack MikeSmith
16:38:02 [Zakim]
MikeSmith, you wanted to say that there are other implementations to consider other than just browsers
16:38:03 [richardschwerdtfe]
16:38:57 [oedipus]
MS: agree with GJR's point about addressing issues vis a vis implementation of features in order to prioritize discussions for this group; not just browsers that are important -- conformance checkers - no conformance checker other than
16:39:16 [janina]
16:39:36 [oedipus]
MS: one reason why we should try to make ARIA mappings a priority because waiting on to get resolution on this so can change schema to align with consensus opinion on integration/mapping
16:40:16 [oedipus]
MS: sooner we can get that done and forward to HTML WG for resolution as to what should appear in spec, can then get implementations that conform to consensus, feed info to and then be able to use to check ARIA markup
16:40:30 [oedipus]
MS: 2 bug reports this week about ARIA checking at
16:40:39 [oedipus]
MS: shows interest in ARIA and ARIA support
16:40:49 [oedipus]
GJR: plus 1
16:40:52 [janina]
16:41:24 [oedipus]
MC: validators driven by schemata of various sorts -- preparing some on PF side -- may be orthagonal to core mission of A11y TF
16:41:39 [oedipus]
MC: will have schemata available soon for validators -- issues beyond conformance checkers, MS?
16:41:51 [Stevef]
16:41:59 [oedipus]
MS: need to have an agreement upon what the exact integration of ARIA into HTML5 should be
16:42:24 [oedipus]
MS: don't have agreement yet, becuase not completed discussion -- need documentation and verbiage that we agree upon
16:42:33 [oedipus]
MS: what have now is hixie's take on what is appropriate
16:42:48 [oedipus]
MS: what is at is hixie's and some is based on HenriS' work
16:42:58 [dsinger_]
16:43:02 [oedipus]
MS: would be good to have it standardized and agreed-upon
16:43:24 [oedipus]
MS: need official "line" on ARIA integration - need more sense of urgency to get ARIA mapping finallized
16:43:32 [oedipus]
ack Stevef
16:44:13 [MichaelC]
q+ to distinguish ARIA integration from ARIA mapping
16:44:17 [oedipus]
SF: agree with MS' assessment -- been working on this with Cynthia Shelly; need input from other people; how lax or strict should it be? haven't yet come up with formula for determining laxity or strictness
16:44:26 [dsinger_]
16:44:34 [oedipus]
SF: need to have some dedicated individuals to work on ARIA mappping
16:44:34 [MichaelC]
ack d
16:44:43 [oedipus]
DS (Dave Singer)
16:45:21 [oedipus]
DS: what is on topic for this group and what is not on topic for this group -- clarify impact on HTML5 spec; textual changes, material that will impact other W3C specifications
16:45:37 [dsinger_]
zakim, mute dsinger
16:45:37 [Zakim]
dsinger should now be muted
16:45:39 [oedipus]
ack MichaelC
16:45:39 [Zakim]
MichaelC, you wanted to distinguish ARIA integration from ARIA mapping
16:45:54 [oedipus]
MC: ARIA-integration - building ARIA into HTML5 spec
16:46:19 [oedipus]
MC: ARIA-mapping - how ARIA features map to accessibility APIs and how HTML5 handles those APIs
16:46:33 [oedipus]
MC: want to distinguish issues to avoid overlap and misunderstanding
16:46:53 [oedipus]
SF: think we are talking about the same thing
16:47:07 [oedipus]
SF: MS and i are talking about the same thing -- ARIA-mapping
16:47:13 [janina]
16:48:08 [oedipus]
JS: should we resume at this point next thursday (10 december 2009)
16:48:19 [oedipus]
JS: any objection to ARIA-integration?
16:48:30 [oedipus]
RS: other issues being addressed, make this priority
16:48:44 [oedipus]
SF: there has been a change proposal submitted by me on @alt
16:49:01 [oedipus]
16:49:11 [oedipus]
SF: parts need work
16:49:40 [oedipus]
SF: would like to have others to work on change proposal within and without A11y TF
16:50:08 [oedipus]
JS: good procedural question: is it necessary to send to both public-html and public-html-a11y
16:50:55 [oedipus]
JS: procedure is issues kicked our way, TF comes up with proposals, which are then submitted to HTML WG, which then through its processes decides if acceptable, also pass on to PFWG to ensure recommendations meet a11y needs under PFWG's purview
16:51:12 [kliehm]
q+ to say that mapping doesn't end with ARIA
16:51:16 [oedipus]
JS: don't deliver final wording - recommendations that -- if worded well -- can be adopted wholesale
16:51:19 [kliehm]
zakim, unmute me
16:51:19 [Zakim]
kliehm should no longer be muted
16:51:34 [oedipus]
MK: mapping doesn't end with ARIA
16:51:36 [dsinger_]
I suggest that we ask ht
16:51:54 [oedipus]
MK: new HTML5 elements not mapped to any a11y APIs -- need investigatino
16:52:22 [oedipus]
SF: being looked at by the User Agent Accessibility Guidelines WG
16:52:44 [oedipus]
s/User Agent Accessibility Guidelines WG/AAPI task force
16:52:48 [dsinger_]
HTML wg to send non-consensus a11y questions to us and that we not cross post until we are done
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JS: not the only joint task force
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JS: AAPI been mostly PF participation so far
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JS: start with ARIA, finalize alt proposal
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TOPIC: Upcomming Meetings
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next 2 months of thursdays at 1600h UTC - upcomming dates: 10 december 2009, 17 december 2009, 24 december 2009, 31 december 2009, 7 january 2010, 14 january 2010, 21 january 2010, 28 january 2010, 4 february 2010
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JS: canvas and aapi already working, can help facillitate organization for media accessibility -- may be separate telecon -- participation in any subgroup equals participation in the TF
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JS: propose we skip last 2 thursdays of december
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7 january 2010, 14 january 2010, 21 january 2010, 28 january 2010, 4 february 2010
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7 january 2010, 14 january 2010, 21 january 2010, 28 january 2010, 4 february 2010
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7 january 2010, 14 january 2010, 21 january 2010, 28 january 2010, 4 february 2010
16:56:20 [MikeSmith]
sounds good to me
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RESOLVED: A11y TF will meet on 10 december 2009 (ARIA), 17 december 2009 (@alt) resume on 7 january 2010
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zakim, drop cooper
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Attendees were Gregory_Rosmaita, +1.650.862.aaaa, +1.512.206.aabb, John_Foliot, Cooper, Stevef, dsinger, +49.693.650.5.aacc, AllanJ, Martin_Kliehm, Janina, kliehm, +1.408.307.aadd,
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... +1.617.300.aaee, Eric_Carlson, Henny_Swan, +1.207.388.aaff, Geoff_Freed, Ben_Caldwell, Marco_Ranon?, Matt_May, +1.217.840.aagg, MikeSmith, Joshue, +1.217.840.aahh, Marco_Ranon,
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... Rich, +1.217.840.aaii, Jon_Gunderson, Markku_Hakkinen
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present+ Jon_Gunderson
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present+ RichS,Markku_Hakkinen
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present+ Geoff_Freed
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present- +1.617.300.aaee
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present- kliehm
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i/GJR: One means of prioritising/ScribeNick: Joshue
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i/JS: used keywords/ScribeNick: oedipus
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