IRC log of ws-ra on 2009-12-01
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-ws-ra-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be WSRA
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- ok, trackbot; I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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- Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 01 December 2009
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- WS_WSRA()3:30PM has now started
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- chair: Bob Freund
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- +Doug_Davis
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- + +984999aaaa
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- +Bob_Freund
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- + +39.331.574.aacc
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- zakim, aabb is li
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- +li; got it
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- Zakim, aacc is asoldano
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- +asoldano; got it
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- scribenick: asoldano
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- +??P5
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- + +0125660aadd
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- +??P7
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- +Tom_Rutt
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- -??P7
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- +[Microsoft]
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- +Yves
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Dec/0002.html
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- Agenda agreed
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- + +1.408.642.aaee
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- q+
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- minutes of 17th Nov approved
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- ack dug
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- notes for f2f meeting location to be sent to participants
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- q+
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- ack ram
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- Gil tries to make us jealous :-)
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- +??P10
- 20:39:24 [asoldano]
- new snapshots to be reviewed, next meeting we'll check where we are with them
- 20:40:17 [dug]
- lol
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- Bob: are there any specific new issues requiring more info
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- ... before accepting them all ?
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- q+
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- ack asir
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- -Tom_Rutt
- 20:41:17 [dug]
- can take those issue/questions to the mailing list
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- +Tom_Rutt
- 20:41:22 [asoldano]
- asir: aren't we chaingin the way to proceed here?
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- asir requiring more info on 8167 8284
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- who is speaking?
- 20:44:36 [dug]
- and he's a bit sick
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- getting up at 4:00 am for conference calls and flying around on freezing cold airplanes - wonder why I'm sick?
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- q+ Tom
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- 8284 is understandable and is accepted
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- 8167 requires checking past minutes
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- ack tom
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- all the new issues except 8167 are accepted
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- q+
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- TOPIC: Issue 8031
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- q+
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- q-
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- 8031 is related to 7986
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- TOPIC: Issue 6463
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- ack asir
- 20:56:25 [Katy]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Nov/0047.html
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- -??P10
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- -Tom_Rutt
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- +Tom_Rutt
- 21:00:39 [asoldano]
- Bob: are you ok with the direction in Katy's email?
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- http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/edcopies/wsmex.html#Bootstrapping-Metadata-Retrieval
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- ???: proposing some followup..
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- s/???/Asir
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- + +1.408.642.aaff
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- q?
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- \nickname Ram
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- ACTION: Katy to produce detail example for 6463 before next call
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- Created ACTION-124 - Produce detail example for 6463 before next call [on Katy Warr - due 2009-12-08].
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- zakim, ??aaee is gpilz
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- sorry, gpilz, I do not recognize a party named '??aaee'
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- TOPIC: 7728
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- zakim, aaee is gpilz
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- sorry, gpilz, I do not recognize a party named 'aaee'
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- 7728 discussion postponed
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- TOPIC: 7911
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- Latest proposal: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7911#c8
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- q+
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- ack ram
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- Yves ok with the latest proposal
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- Ram's proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Nov/0077.html
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Nov/0078.html
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- q+
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- ack dug
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- q+
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- q-
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- q+
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- ack ram
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- q+
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- q+
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- ack gpi
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- q+
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- ack dug
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- ack ram
- 21:15:12 [asoldano]
- Dug's proposal 8 is intended to address all operations
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- q+
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- 21:17:09 [gpilz]
- q+
- 21:18:17 [Yves]
- I would note that comment #8 is no longer about dispatching
- 21:18:22 [asir]
- Hard to understand the value offered by these words
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- ack dug
- 21:19:08 [DaveS]
- +1 to Dug's statement that the first sentence is simply setting the context.
- 21:19:09 [Ram]
- q+
- 21:19:11 [gpilz]
- The specification should be based on W3C Recommendations (SOAP Version 1.2, WS-Addressing 1.0, WSDL2.0, WS-Policy 1.5) and *aligned with ISO 29361:2008 (WS-I BP 1.1)*.
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- ack gpi
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- q+
- 21:19:34 [asir]
- BP 1.1 is unaware of WS-
- 21:19:36 [Ram]
- q+
- 21:19:45 [dug]
- thank you Dave - its just setting the context - nicely put
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- s/WS-/WS-Addressing/
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- q+
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- However, the Working Group should also consider conformance to the forthcoming profiles WS-I is finalizing assuming they achieve WS-I "Final Material" status before the Working Group completes its deliverables.
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- This is part of BP 1.2/2.0
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- Proposal:
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- ;)
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- Proposal:
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- An implementation can examine [Action] property, the QName of the [Body] child, or a combination of both.
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- An implementation can examine [Action] property, the QName of the [Body] child, or a combination of both.
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- An implementation can examine [Action] property, the QName of the [Body] child, or a combination of both.
- 21:26:31 [asir]
- An implementation can examine [Action] property, the QName of the [Body] child, or a combination of both. An implementation that
- 21:26:31 [asir]
- examines just one of those values, but at multiple points during the entire processing of the message, are advised to ensure that the values that are used each time are consistent.
- 21:27:23 [dug]
- When determining the operation associated with a particular message, an implementation can examine the [Action] property, the QName of the [Body] child or a combination of both. An implementation...
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- q+
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- ack ram
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- ack dug
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- yves?
- 21:28:33 [Yves]
- sounds ok
- 21:28:57 [dug]
- I didn't mention dispatching
- 21:29:13 [Yves]
- dispatching was in earlier text but not in text #8
- 21:29:22 [asir]
- yeah but the words are effectively about dispatching
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- q+
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- ack asir
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- q+
- 21:29:48 [dug]
- I don't see the word dispatching
- 21:30:20 [Yves]
- text #8 is aobut action signature, so figuring out the action, no dispatching involved
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- q+
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- ack gp
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- ack asi
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- q+
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- q-
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- q+
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- ack yves
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- q-
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- When determining the operation associated with a particular message, an implementation can examine the [Action] property, the QName of the [Body] child or a combination of both.
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- -Tom_Rutt
- 21:34:11 [dug]
- it doesn't say why you're trying to figure out what the op is.
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- +Tom_Rutt
- 21:35:43 [gpilz]
- When determining the operation associated with a particular message, an implementation can examine the [Action] property, the QName of the [Body] child or a combination of both. An implementation that examines just one of those values, but at multiple points during the entire processing of the message, are advised to ensure that the values that are used each time are consistent.
- 21:35:57 [gpilz]
- q+
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- ack gpi
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- q+
- 21:36:41 [Yves]
- [repeating for the record: looks good to me]
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- ack asir
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- q+
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- ack dav
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- RESOLUTION: 7911 closed with no action
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- TOPIC: 8201
- 21:43:34 [dug]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Nov/0079.html
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- q+
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- q+
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- q+
- 21:44:18 [Bob]
- ack dug
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- ack ram
- 21:45:34 [asoldano]
- Dug: the specs need clarification
- 21:45:47 [asoldano]
- .. so close with no action is not that a good solution
- 21:45:57 [ram2]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Nov/0073.html
- 21:46:20 [dug]
- q+
- 21:46:49 [Bob]
- ack dug
- 21:47:01 [ram2]
- q+
- 21:47:27 [DaveS]
- +1 to msg 79
- 21:47:30 [Bob]
- ack ram
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- q+
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- q+
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- q-
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- q+
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- ack dave
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- q-
- 21:50:51 [dug]
- s/compliant implementation/compliant event source/ ....
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- q+
- 21:51:22 [Bob]
- ack dug
- 21:53:37 [dug]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Nov/0079.html + change 'compliant implementation' to "compliant event source...."
- 21:54:03 [asir]
- That is the pattern
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- The editorial team needs to transcribe the table into sentences
- 21:54:20 [asoldano]
- RESOLUTION: 8201 solved with the text in message 79 + editorial issues above
- 21:55:01 [asoldano]
- TOPIC: 8291
- 21:55:29 [dug]
- its just the last line that's changed - I think
- 21:55:36 [asir]
- good one
- 21:55:49 [asoldano]
- RESOLUTION: 892 solved as proposed
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- s/829/8291
- 21:56:24 [dug]
- I like diffs :-)
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- TOPIC: 8203
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- RESOLUTION: 8203 solved as proposed
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- TOPIC: 8300
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- more time required
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- that's all for today
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- -li
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- -??P5
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- -[Microsoft]
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- -asoldano
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- -Yves
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- -Doug_Davis
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- -Tom_Rutt
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- -Bob_Freund
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- - +1.408.642.aaff
- 21:58:21 [Bob]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
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- WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended
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- Attendees were Doug_Davis, +984999aaaa, Bob_Freund, +1.908.696.aabb, +39.331.574.aacc, li, asoldano, +0125660aadd, Tom_Rutt, [Microsoft], Yves, +1.408.642.aaee, +1.408.642.aaff,
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- ... +91.98.49.99.aagg
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