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12:56:46 <wbailer> zakim, this will be mawg
12:56:46 <Zakim> ok, wbailer; I see IA_MAWG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
12:56:55 <wbailer> meeting: MAWG
12:57:11 <wbailer> chair: daniel
12:58:27 <daniel> daniel has joined #mediaann
12:59:02 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()8:00AM has now started
12:59:09 <Zakim> + +047269aaaa
12:59:16 <pchampin> zakim, aaaa is me
12:59:16 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
13:00:09 <daniel> any volunteer for scribe todal call ?
13:00:32 <daniel> We are only three guys in the call today...Oops...
13:00:34 <pchampin> among the lot of us ? :-)
13:00:49 <pchampin> zakim, who is here?
13:00:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see pchampin
13:00:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see daniel, RRSAgent, Zakim, wbailer, pchampin, trackbot
13:00:57 <Zakim> + +43.316.876.aabb
13:01:17 <wbailer> zakim, aabb is wbailer
13:01:17 <Zakim> +wbailer; got it
13:01:42 <Zakim> +??P2
13:01:57 <joakim> joakim has joined #mediaann
13:02:14 <pchampin> zakim, p2 is daniel
13:02:14 <Zakim> sorry, pchampin, I do not recognize a party named 'p2'
13:02:32 <pchampin> zakim, ??P2 is daniel
13:02:32 <Zakim> +daniel; got it
13:02:45 <Zakim> + +46.1.07.19.aacc
13:03:39 <raphael> raphael has joined #mediaann
13:03:56 <joakim> Zakim, +46.1.07.18 is me
13:03:56 <Zakim> sorry, joakim, I do not recognize a party named '+46.1.07.18'
13:04:09 <joakim> Zakim, +46.1.07.19 is me
13:04:09 <Zakim> +joakim; got it
13:04:20 <raphael> RRSAgent, pointer?
13:04:20 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-mediaann-irc#T13-04-20
13:04:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
13:04:52 <raphael> trackbot, start telecon
13:04:57 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
13:04:59 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be MAWG
13:04:59 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see IA_MAWG()8:00AM already started
13:05:00 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference
13:05:00 <trackbot> Date: 01 December 2009
13:05:40 <wbailer> scribe: wbailer
13:06:05 <daniel> http://www.w3.org/2009/11/24-mediaann-minutes.html 
13:06:18 <wbailer> regrets+ jean-pierre, felix, tobias, felix, chris
13:06:42 <wbailer> minutes of previous telecon have been accepted
13:07:32 <wonsuk> wonsuk has joined #mediaann
13:07:37 <wbailer> daniel: make schedule for scribes in advance
13:07:50 <wbailer> ... in order to not waste time at beginning of meeting
13:08:07 <wbailer> joakim: there is a scribe list, but it's not updated
13:09:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:09:07 <wbailer> action: daniel to update scribe list
13:09:07 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - daniel
13:09:16 <daniel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
13:09:56 <pchampin> topic: action items
13:10:01 <wbailer> topic: open action items
13:10:34 <wbailer> actions 47-154 left open
13:10:46 <wbailer> 163 as well
13:11:18 <raphael> trackbot, status?
13:12:08 <veroniqueM> veroniqueM has joined #mediaann
13:12:11 <wbailer> 168 left open as veronique is not present, this is action is one of the outcomes of dicussion at f2f
13:12:52 <wbailer> 169 - 175 left open
13:13:23 <pchampin> ACTION-168?
13:13:23 <trackbot> ACTION-168 -- Joakim Söderberg to ask Veronique to send an email to the group to define an implementation approach of ontology with four suggested approaches -- due 2009-11-12 -- OPEN
13:13:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/168
13:14:31 <veroniqueM> I still have to send the email to the list describing the 4 possible implementations of the media ontology thought of and described in the SAMT paper
13:14:35 <veroniqueM> indeed, pending
13:14:59 <veroniqueM> and I still have to write the corresponding section in the Media Ontology document
13:15:23 <veroniqueM> but I updated the Media Ontology Document according to the other points :)
13:15:41 <wbailer> on action 176, joakim to send mail with summary of new position
13:15:50 <wbailer> close ACTION-168
13:15:50 <trackbot> ACTION-168 Ask Veronique to send an email to the group to define an implementation approach of ontology with four suggested approaches closed
13:16:56 <daniel> ACTION-185 to Veronique...it is open or close ?
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13:17:06 <wonsuk> ACTION-185?
13:17:06 <trackbot> ACTION-185 -- Véronique Malaisé to rigo@w3.org to ask pling wg to provide text on including policy information -- due 2009-11-13 -- OPEN
13:17:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/185
13:17:45 <veroniqueM> so indeed, re-reading this action point: THEY have to contact me to provide me with the piece of text
13:18:07 <veroniqueM> manwhile I updated the Media Ontology document with the addition of their suggestions, and I can ask them to review the changes
13:18:32 <veroniqueM> s/manwhile/meanwhile/
13:18:38 <daniel> Therefore, 185 is closed ?
13:19:05 <wbailer> we keep 185 open as a reminder
13:19:10 <veroniqueM> no, therefore 185 has to be changed to "ask PLING for either the piece of text or review of the current Media Ontology document"
13:19:50 <veroniqueM> I have more time now, I can contact them for that
13:20:33 <wbailer> close action-186
13:20:33 <trackbot> ACTION-186 Ask Doug for the alternative implementation/syntx for the API doc closed
13:21:05 <wbailer> will be done in the mail related to action 176, asking doug for comments and forwarding to browser vendors
13:21:17 <wbailer> 189 is left open
13:21:31 <wbailer> close action-190
13:21:31 <trackbot> ACTION-190 make a first draft for a rights disclaimer and add it to the API doc closed
13:22:00 <wbailer> daniel sent draft to group, not sure why this text is necessary
13:22:20 <daniel> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Dec/0004.html
13:23:04 <veroniqueM> the same kind of disclaimer is now in the API document, this was the text in relation with the PLING group, I thought it was to be added to the Media Ontology document
13:23:18 <veroniqueM> being at the two places is probably not bad though
13:23:35 <veroniqueM> is now in the Media Ontology document I meant :X
13:23:37 <wbailer> wonsuk: should be added, even if not needed now; if it turns out not to be needed in the future it could be dropped
13:25:42 <wbailer> joakim to send mail to group regarding action 192
13:26:00 <wbailer> close action-193
13:26:00 <trackbot> ACTION-193 Test TPAC attendees page to see if it is accessible to IE now closed
13:26:21 <wbailer> action 194 and 194 left open, as chris is not present
13:26:21 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 194
13:27:09 <wbailer> s/194/195/
13:28:07 <wbailer> joakim reminds everyone to update their format tables
13:28:37 <wbailer> action: soohong daniel to remind table editors to update
13:28:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-197 - Daniel to remind table editors to update [on Soohong Daniel Park - due 2009-12-08].
13:28:51 <wbailer> topic: review of UC & Req document
13:30:15 <wbailer> wonsuk: update document according to comments, then publish
13:30:38 <tobias> tobias has joined #mediaann
13:30:39 <wbailer> ... we need to make consistent with ontology and api document (e.g. still uses term media object)
13:31:10 <wbailer> daniel: we do not need LC for UC doc, as it will be a TR but nor a REC
13:31:17 <wbailer> ... we can revise whenever we need
13:32:41 <pchampin> zakim, mute me
13:32:41 <Zakim> pchampin should now be muted
13:33:07 <wbailer> wonsuk: plans to revise within 2 weeks
13:33:54 <wbailer> chairs agree to finish revision until dec. 15
13:34:16 <wbailer> action: wonsuk to prepare 3rd working draft of UC & Rec documetn
13:34:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-198 - Prepare 3rd working draft of UC & Rec documetn [on WonSuk Lee - due 2009-12-08].
13:34:20 <raphael> s/TR/W3C Note
13:34:38 <raphael> s/documetn/document
13:35:15 <wbailer> topic: draft of rights disclaimer
13:37:50 <wbailer> wonsuk: proposed is sufficient at the moment
13:38:02 <wbailer> daniel: other comments?
13:38:21 <wbailer> [no further comments], proposed text will be included
13:39:02 <wbailer> topic: API document update 
13:39:42 <wbailer> postponed to next week
13:39:51 <wbailer> topic: API implementation experiences 
13:39:59 <wbailer> postponed to next week
13:40:45 <wbailer> topic: Primer document way forward 
13:41:46 <wbailer> daniel: discussed that f2f that it would be useful, but no actions yet
13:42:01 <wbailer> joakim: can be postponed to summer or fall
13:42:54 <wbailer> joakim: suggests to wait until api discussion is finished
13:43:09 <wbailer> daniel: will not be a rec, thus no need to hurry
13:43:48 <wbailer> topic: update of ontology document
13:44:01 <wbailer> joakim: update done by veronique
13:44:37 <wbailer> editors to review the document
13:44:45 <veroniqueM> some update was done and sent to the editors and to Dave Singer, after their comments and additions, we can update the Web version
13:44:56 <daniel> To all of ontology editors: please update your format mapping table as quick as possible, I will send another mail to all of you later
13:45:38 <wbailer> joakim: are the updated mapping tables needed for new version of document?
13:45:46 <veroniqueM> I thought it was up to the people who made the mappings to update them?
13:45:57 <wbailer> wonsuk: document and mapping table can be updated in parallel
13:46:18 <veroniqueM> no, you don't need to have updated content of the mapping tables to describe them and refer to them in the ontology document
13:46:29 <veroniqueM> +1 to Wonsuk
13:46:50 <wbailer> topic: test suite
13:47:53 <wbailer> topic: telecon time
13:48:50 <joakim> 13 ok for me
13:49:20 <wbailer> proposal is to shit by one hour, i.e. 12:00 UTC
13:49:28 <wonsuk> ok to me
13:49:31 <wbailer> s/shit/shift/
13:49:46 <wbailer> ok for me
13:49:48 <Zakim> -wonsuk
13:49:56 <pchampin> one hour sooner than it was, right ?
13:50:08 <pchampin> ok for me
13:50:09 <wbailer> yes, 13:00 CET
13:50:46 <Zakim> + +82.10.58.00.aadd
13:51:39 <wbailer> action: soohong daniel to check availability of phone conference bridge and send info to joakim
13:51:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-199 - Daniel to check availability of phone conference bridge and send info to joakim [on Soohong Daniel Park - due 2009-12-08].
13:53:01 <wbailer> topic: call schedule over holidays
13:53:08 <wbailer> no call on dec. 29
13:53:42 <wbailer> no call on dec. 22
13:54:22 <daniel> Question: Dec. 22, call or not ? please make your vote
13:54:44 <pchampin> -1
13:54:49 <joakim> -1
13:54:49 <daniel> Daniel is ok for December 22
13:54:55 <tobias> -1 (I am on holidays)
13:55:11 <wonsuk> -1
13:55:47 <raphael> -1
13:55:53 <veroniqueM> I am still at work on the 22nd
13:56:30 <Zakim> -daniel
13:56:30 <wbailer> [adjourned]
13:56:32 <Zakim> -joakim
13:56:33 <Zakim> -pchampin
13:56:36 <Zakim> - +82.10.58.00.aadd
13:56:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
13:56:50 <wbailer> scribe: wbailer
13:56:51 <daniel> Two more call in this year, Dec. 8 and 15 for MAWG...
13:57:14 <wbailer> regrets+ felix, chris, jean-pierre, florian
13:57:25 <wbailer> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:57:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
13:57:37 <raphael> Present: Daniel, Werner, Veronique, Joakim, Pierre Antoine, Wonsuk, Raphael (irc)
13:57:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
13:57:54 <wbailer> present+ tobias (irc)
13:58:00 <wbailer> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:58:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
13:58:30 <Zakim> -wbailer
13:58:31 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()8:00AM has ended
13:58:32 <Zakim> Attendees were +047269aaaa, pchampin, +43.316.876.aabb, wbailer, daniel, +46.1.07.19.aacc, joakim, wonsuk, +82.10.58.00.aadd
14:14:43 <raphael> zakim, bye
14:14:43 <Zakim> Zakim has left #mediaann
14:14:46 <raphael> RRSAgent, bye
14:14:46 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-mediaann-actions.rdf :
14:14:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: daniel to update scribe list [1]
14:14:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-mediaann-irc#T13-09-07-1
14:14:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: soohong daniel to remind table editors to update [2]
14:14:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-mediaann-irc#T13-28-37
14:14:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: wonsuk to prepare 3rd working draft of UC & Rec documetn [3]
14:14:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-mediaann-irc#T13-34-16
14:14:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: soohong daniel to check availability of phone conference bridge and send info to joakim [4]
14:14:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-mediaann-irc#T13-51-39