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15:43:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:43:21 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7994
15:43:21 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see INC_SWXG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes
15:43:22 <trackbot> Meeting: Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference
15:43:22 <trackbot> Date: 25 November 2009
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15:46:17 <hhalpin> Zakim, agenda+ "Convene SWXG WG  meeting of 2009-11-25T16:00-17:00GMT"
15:46:17 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
15:46:31 <hhalpin> Zakim, agenda+ User Stories
15:46:31 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
15:46:43 <hhalpin> Zakim, agenda+ For Final Report
15:46:43 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
15:46:55 <hhalpin> Zakim, agenda+ Invited Guest Invitations
15:46:55 <Zakim> agendum 4 added
15:47:18 <hhalpin> Zakim, agenda+ Eran Hammer-Lahav of Yahoo, OAuth, WebFinger, and much more
15:47:18 <Zakim> agendum 5 added
15:51:07 <Zakim> INC_SWXG()11:00AM has now started
15:51:14 <Zakim> +??P8
15:51:20 <Zakim> -??P8
15:51:21 <Zakim> INC_SWXG()11:00AM has ended
15:51:21 <Zakim> Attendees were 
15:51:25 <Zakim> INC_SWXG()11:00AM has now started
15:51:32 <Zakim> +??P9
15:53:42 <Zakim> +hhalpin
15:53:53 <hhalpin> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:53:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P9, hhalpin
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15:54:32 <Zakim> +??P12
15:54:34 <hhalpin> Zakim, ??P9 is yoshiaki
15:54:34 <Zakim> +yoshiaki; got it
15:54:39 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P12 is me
15:54:39 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
15:56:36 <Zakim> +??P13
15:56:56 <tpa> Zakim, ??P13 is me
15:56:56 <Zakim> +tpa; got it
15:57:06 <tpa> Zakim, mute me
15:57:06 <Zakim> tpa should now be muted
15:58:27 <mischat_> mischat_ has joined #swxg
15:58:45 <Zakim> + +1.785.583.aaaa
15:58:59 <tinkster> zakim, aaaa is me
15:58:59 <Zakim> +tinkster; got it
15:59:21 <mischat_> mischat_ has joined #swxg
15:59:33 <Zakim> +??P15
15:59:49 <mischat> Zakim: ??P15 is me
16:00:01 <mischat> zakim, mute me
16:00:01 <Zakim> sorry, mischat, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
16:00:13 <mischat> zakim, ??P15 is me 
16:00:13 <Zakim> +mischat; got it
16:00:19 <mischat> zakim, mute me
16:00:19 <Zakim> mischat should now be muted
16:00:26 <Adam> Adam has joined #swxg
16:00:47 <hhalpin> chair: hhalpin
16:00:48 <petef> petef has joined #swxg
16:00:49 <hhalpin> scribe?
16:00:51 <tinkster> I can.
16:00:58 <hhalpin> scribe: tinkster
16:01:00 <Zakim> + +1.314.683.aabb
16:01:03 <hhalpin> Zakim, who's present?
16:01:03 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, hhalpin.
16:01:07 <hhalpin> Zakim, who's here?
16:01:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see yoshiaki, hhalpin, AlexPassant, tpa (muted), tinkster, mischat (muted), +1.314.683.aabb
16:01:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see petef, Adam, mischat, AlexPassant, yoshiaki, melvster, Zakim, RRSAgent, caribou, tpa, yuk, danbri, hhalpin, MacTed, tlr, FabGandon, karl, tinkster, trackbot
16:01:15 <caribou> zakim, call carine-sip
16:01:15 <Zakim> ok, caribou; the call is being made
16:01:15 <Zakim> +Carine
16:01:21 <mischat> there is an echo on your end harry
16:01:32 <Zakim> + +0797094aacc
16:01:33 <mischat> zakim, who is making noise ?
16:01:43 <Zakim> mischat, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: yoshiaki (22%), hhalpin (72%), +0797094aacc (4%)
16:01:45 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
16:01:49 <mischat> yes hhalpin 
16:01:56 <hhalpin> zakim, who is making noise?
16:02:01 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily MacTed
16:02:01 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
16:02:04 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
16:02:04 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
16:02:07 <Zakim> hhalpin, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: yoshiaki (31%), hhalpin (39%), OpenLink_Software (4%)
16:02:12 <petef> zakim, aacc is me
16:02:12 <Zakim> +petef; got it
16:02:19 <mischat> zakim, mute yoshiaki 
16:02:19 <Zakim> yoshiaki should now be muted
16:02:31 <mischat> or was that rude of me 
16:02:32 <mischat> :)
16:02:46 <Adam> zakim, aabb is me
16:02:46 <Zakim> +Adam; got it
16:02:50 <yoshiaki> I'm sorry for noizing
16:03:01 <mischat> hi
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16:03:13 <mischat> no it is fine now hhalpin 
16:03:18 <hhalpin> PROPOSED: to approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 18th November 2009 as a true record
16:03:18 <Zakim> + +1.408.354.aadd
16:03:20 <tinkster> TOPIC: Convene SWXG WG Meeting
16:03:26 <hhalpin> http://www.w3.org/2009/11/18-swxg-minutes.html
16:03:49 <yoshiaki> i see
16:03:54 <tinkster> hhalpin: Minutes need cleaning up, but everyone OK with them apart from that?
16:04:02 <hhalpin> RESOLVED: approved SWXG WG Weekly -- 18th November 2009 as a true record
16:04:08 <mischat> yoshiaki: http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html
16:04:09 <hhalpin> PROPOSED: to meet again Wed. Decemeber 2nd?
16:04:14 <claudio> claudio has joined #swxg
16:04:15 <tinkster> ... Meet again next week?
16:04:22 <petef> q
16:04:29 <petef> +q
16:04:34 <tinkster> ... No speaker planned for next week. What should we do?
16:04:41 <hhalpin> Chris Messina next week.
16:04:42 <Adam> very nice
16:04:56 <mischat> http://activitystrea.ms/
16:04:58 <tinkster> petef: Chris Messina has been confirmed for next week - ActivityStrea.ms
16:04:58 <hhalpin> Zakim, next agendum
16:04:58 <Zakim> agendum 1. ""Convene SWXG WG  meeting of 2009-11-25T16:00-17:00GMT"" taken up [from hhalpin]
16:05:03 <Zakim> +??P29
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16:05:09 <hhalpin> Zakim, next agendum
16:05:09 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, hhalpin
16:05:17 <hhalpin> ack petef
16:05:19 <tinkster> TOPIC: User Stories
16:05:20 <hhalpin> Zakim, next agendum
16:05:20 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, hhalpin
16:05:39 <Zakim> + +39.011.228.aaee
16:05:56 <tpa> one action was closed
16:05:58 <tpa> I just closed it
16:05:59 <tinkster> hhalpin: Any progress since last week? We should probably just wrap them up, drop unfinished ones. Any issues with that?
16:06:01 <claudio> zakim, aaee is claudio
16:06:01 <Zakim> +claudio; got it
16:06:04 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories
16:06:17 <tpa> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserNarratives
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16:06:28 <Zakim> +??P30
16:06:35 <tinkster> ... It seems close to "done". We shouldn't spend too much more time on this.
16:06:44 <mischat> what is the relationship between the UserStories and the UserNarratives 
16:06:52 <tpa> we talked about this last week
16:06:55 <Adam> think the groups were already there harry
16:07:13 <tpa> q+
16:07:17 <hhalpin> ack tpa
16:07:25 <tinkster> ... This needs a strong editor. Henry, Oshani and Tim have sort of volunteered.
16:07:26 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Groups is empty
16:07:32 <Zakim> + +46.1.08.01.aaff
16:07:42 <hhalpin> I am happy to step you through the process of making this is HTML document...
16:08:18 <tinkster> tpa: I was talking with Henry about this, making them more readable. Dan A gave me an OK to flesh out this idea.
16:08:34 <tinkster> ... This is on the User Narratives wiki page.
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16:08:54 <PhilA2> zakim, number?
16:08:54 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, PhilA2.
16:08:59 <Zakim> + +0207220aagg
16:09:07 <PhilA2> zakim, dial-in code?
16:09:07 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, PhilA2.
16:10:11 <Adam> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserNarratives
16:10:15 <bblfish> zakim, aagg is bblfish
16:10:15 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it
16:10:18 <tinkster> hhalpin: What should a roll-your-own-Social-Network tool implement?
16:10:19 <hhalpin> Ah, I see now.
16:10:22 <Zakim> + +1.617.848.aahh
16:10:42 <tinkster> tpa: There are three types of users we want to address - end users, ???, business concerns.
16:10:45 <hhalpin> This page is great!
16:10:55 <Zakim> +Phil_Archer
16:11:12 <hhalpin> +1 tpa, the list is too long.
16:11:15 <Adam> my understanding was that they were a way to weave together the user scenarios in to a larger background 
16:11:22 <tinkster> ... Aim is to take a big list and make it more readable/consumable/relatable.
16:11:42 <tinkster> hhalpin: What can we do to help?