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10:06:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
10:06:01 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see IA_MFWG()5:00AM already started
10:06:02 <jackjansen> zakim, code?
10:06:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
10:06:02 <Zakim> the conference code is 3724 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jackjansen
10:06:02 <trackbot> Date: 25 November 2009
10:07:02 <Zakim> + +1.403.516.aabb
10:08:06 <Zakim> +??P2
10:08:17 <jackjansen> zakim, ??P2 is me
10:08:17 <Zakim> +jackjansen; got it
10:08:35 <conrad> Zakim, mute me
10:08:35 <Zakim> sorry, conrad, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
10:08:46 <conrad> Zakim, aabb is me
10:08:46 <Zakim> +conrad; got it
10:08:49 <conrad> Zakim, mute me
10:08:49 <Zakim> conrad should now be muted
10:11:19 <conrad> Zakim, unmute me
10:11:19 <Zakim> conrad should no longer be muted
10:13:12 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
10:13:41 <jackjansen> scribe: jackjansen
10:13:50 <conrad> Zakim, mute me
10:13:50 <Zakim> conrad should now be muted
10:14:08 <jackjansen> ScribeNick: jackjansen
10:14:26 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
10:14:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/25-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
10:14:35 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
10:14:55 <jackjansen> chair: erik
10:15:08 <jackjansen> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/CheatSheet
10:16:17 <jackjansen> topic: 1 admin
10:16:31 <jackjansen> erik: accept minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-mediafrag-minutes.html
10:16:38 <mhausenblas> +1
10:16:41 <erik> +1
10:16:46 <jackjansen> all: yes
10:16:55 <jackjansen> erik: accept minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/11/18-mediafrag-minutes.html
10:17:20 <erik> +1
10:17:28 <jackjansen> all: yes
10:17:46 <jackjansen> erik: Michael, will you be able to go to Seoul?
10:18:04 <jackjansen> Michael: no, other obligation
10:18:42 <jackjansen> erik: will get back to the f2f issue next week
10:19:14 <jackjansen> erik: on action-92, postponed until spec is out
10:19:59 <jackjansen> erik: philip said publication would be ok today or tomorrow. We wait.
10:20:08 <jackjansen> s/philip/philippe
10:20:38 <erik> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/
10:20:44 <jackjansen> erik: what do you all think of current state of the spec?
10:21:39 <jackjansen> michael: comment on section 5 needs addressing
10:23:25 <jackjansen> jack: wants to think about forward compatibility.
10:24:02 <jackjansen> ... forward compatibility is tricky: should have a way whereby newer implementations can retroactively
10:24:17 <jackjansen> ... tell older implementations to fail or ignore new feature
10:24:40 <jackjansen> erik: michael, did Yves suggest we need an implementation?
10:24:47 <jackjansen> michael: right
10:25:02 <jackjansen> michael: let's address in the next draft
10:25:03 <conrad> Zakim, unmute me
10:25:03 <Zakim> conrad should no longer be muted
10:25:07 <jackjansen> jack: +1
10:25:11 <erik> +1
10:25:25 <jackjansen> conrad: yes, publish now
10:25:55 <jackjansen> erik: how many implementations do we have? Ours
10:26:14 <jackjansen> ... yves has one
10:26:46 <jackjansen> jack: mine is rusty. Will brush up in coming few weeks.
10:27:20 <conrad> Zakim, mute me
10:27:20 <Zakim> conrad should now be muted
10:27:41 <conrad> Zakim, unmute me
10:27:41 <Zakim> conrad should no longer be muted
10:27:52 <jackjansen> erik: silvia? conrad? implementations?
10:28:10 <jackjansen> conrad: have uri handling, not full syntax yet. In the next few months.
10:28:37 <jackjansen> ... will work with silvia and ogg community
10:28:46 <jackjansen> erik: we have server-side implementation.
10:28:59 <conrad> Zakim, mute me
10:28:59 <Zakim> conrad should now be muted
10:29:16 <jackjansen> erik: is up for testing, will post url.
10:30:03 <jackjansen> action: erik to get URL for MF server, and post to group
10:30:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-120 - Get URL for MF server, and post to group [on Erik Mannens - due 2009-12-02].
10:30:31 <jackjansen> TOPIC: 2 - short name issue
10:30:46 <jackjansen> erik: should we omit -spec?
10:31:42 <jackjansen> michael: yes
10:32:52 <silvia> I have client side implementation with HTML5
10:33:08 <jackjansen> jackjansen: so we use short name for spec, and add suffices for aux documents
10:33:11 <jackjansen> all: yes.
10:33:27 <jackjansen> ACTION on Raphael to fix document names
10:33:27 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - on
10:33:50 <jackjansen> ACTION Raphaël to fix document names
10:33:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-121 - Fix document names [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2009-12-02].
10:34:25 <erik> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:34:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/25-mediafrag-minutes.html erik
10:34:40 <jackjansen> TOPIC 3.1 media fragment syntax
10:35:03 <jackjansen> erik: lets keep for next week
10:35:21 <jackjansen> TOPIC: 3.2  HTTP
10:35:24 <conrad> Zakim, unmute me
10:35:24 <Zakim> conrad should no longer be muted
10:35:26 <Zakim> + +61.2.801.2.aacc
10:35:26 <jackjansen> erik: again, let's table
10:35:40 <jackjansen> TOPIC: 3.3 - track and id handling
10:36:04 <jackjansen> erik: COnrads proposal, http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Server-parsed_Fragments
10:36:16 <silvia> zakim, mute me
10:36:16 <Zakim> sorry, silvia, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
10:36:28 <silvia> zakim, I am aacc
10:36:28 <Zakim> +silvia; got it
10:37:20 <jackjansen> silvia: need to wait on section 5 to be done.
10:37:48 <jackjansen> ... may jump in myself.
10:38:07 <jackjansen> ... Yves was working on section 3, don't think on 5 yet
10:38:24 <jackjansen> s/Yves/Raphaël
10:38:53 <jackjansen> ... I will coordinate with him if I also start to edit.
10:39:42 <jackjansen> erik: I will ping Raphaël.
10:40:32 <conrad> Zakim, mute me
10:40:32 <Zakim> conrad should now be muted
10:40:47 <jackjansen> silvia: we are missing all our publishing windows.
10:41:10 <jackjansen> ... and section 5 really needs work before publishing, to reflect changes to 3.
10:41:39 <jackjansen> michael: should we really wait until 5 is complete?
10:41:59 <jackjansen> silvia: yes, it contradicts 3 at the moment, I will look over it.
10:44:03 <jackjansen> ... three sections in section 3 have no counterpart in section 5
10:44:11 <jackjansen> ... must be fixed.
10:45:38 <jackjansen> silvia: cannot publish now, action-112 needs to be fixed.
10:46:25 <jackjansen> michael: silvia, can you take this offline with Raphaël?
10:47:15 <jackjansen> erik: I will call Raphaël today, tell that Silvia does not want to publish until action-112 and
10:47:24 <jackjansen> ... section 5 issues are resolved.
10:49:16 <jackjansen> erik: I will send an email tonight on what the status is.
10:49:29 <jackjansen> silvia: if it is needed I can put in time this weekend.
10:49:59 <jackjansen> TOPIC: 3.4 discovery of track and named fragments
10:50:35 <jackjansen> silvia: I wrote about this in my blog.
10:51:07 <jackjansen> http://blog.gingertech.net/2009/11/25/manifests-exposing-structure-of-a-composite-media-resource/
10:58:17 <erik> rssagent, draft minutes
10:58:41 <erik> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:58:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/25-mediafrag-minutes.html erik
11:00:01 <jackjansen> jack: not sure if the blog post doesn't need to be split into two: mechanism (roe, mpeg-21) versus
11:00:13 <jackjansen> ... application (semantics)
11:00:30 <jackjansen> ... thinks only mechanism is relevant to MF
11:00:38 <jackjansen> ... will try to write something up.
11:01:10 <jackjansen> erik: will get back to it next week.
11:01:29 <jackjansen> erik: Let's adjourn.
11:01:32 <conrad> Zakim, unmute me
11:01:32 <Zakim> conrad should no longer be muted
11:01:37 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
11:01:50 <Zakim> -conrad
11:02:03 <Zakim> -jackjansen
11:02:08 <Zakim> -silvia
11:02:17 <erik> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:02:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/25-mediafrag-minutes.html erik
11:02:38 <erik> rrsagent, make logs public
11:03:27 <jackjansen> ok.
11:03:32 <jackjansen> see you next week!
11:04:15 <Zakim> - +0329331aaaa
11:04:16 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has ended
11:04:17 <Zakim> Attendees were +0329331aaaa, +1.403.516.aabb, jackjansen, conrad, mhausenblas, +61.2.801.2.aacc, silvia
11:04:51 <mhausenblas> hm, seems Zakim didn't pick up the attendees
11:05:08 <mhausenblas> present+ erik
11:05:19 <mhausenblas> present+ conrad
11:05:24 <mhausenblas> present+ silvia
11:05:32 <mhausenblas> present+ Jack
11:05:38 <mhausenblas> present+ Michael
11:05:46 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
11:05:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/25-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
11:06:28 <mhausenblas> that's fine
11:06:33 <erik> tx pal
11:06:34 <mhausenblas> has to be cleaned up anyway
11:06:36 <mhausenblas> yw
11:35:01 <erik> rrsagent, please part
11:35:01 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/25-mediafrag-actions.rdf :
11:35:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: erik to get URL for MF server, and post to group [1]
11:35:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/25-mediafrag-irc#T10-30-03