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19:41:45 <Holger> zakim, this will be INC_SSN
19:41:45 <Zakim> ok, Holger; I see INC_SSN()3:00PM scheduled to start in 19 minutes
19:42:03 <Holger> Meeting: SSN XG 24-November-2009
19:42:11 <Holger> Chair: Holger
19:42:19 <Holger> Regrets: Manfred, David
19:42:24 <Holger> agenda+ Roll call
19:42:30 <Holger> agenda+ Comments on f2f minutes
19:42:37 <Holger> agenda+ Use cases
19:42:46 <Holger> agenda+ AOB
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20:04:21 <laurent_oz> Hello
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20:05:57 <Holger> agenda?
20:06:16 <krp> zakim, +7.973.76.aacc is me
20:06:16 <Zakim> +krp; got it
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20:06:34 <ocorcho> +3491633aadd is ocorcho
20:06:49 <ocorcho> zakim, +3491633aadd is ocorcho
20:06:49 <Zakim> +ocorcho; got it
20:08:53 <Holger> ScribeNick: krp
20:09:18 <Holger> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Minutes-f2f-2009-10-24
20:11:54 <krp> Holger: it has been looked into where WebProtege could run
20:12:08 <krp> ... but haven't heard back from Manfred/DERI
20:12:25 <rgarcia> +q
20:12:32 <krp> Luis: We shouldn't be held back on getting going by waiting on any particular tool
20:13:31 <krp> Holger: of those working on the ontology it would be useful to use a common tool
20:14:06 <krp> Luis: agree. We should use one tool. How about Topbraid (there's now a free version)?
20:14:18 <krp> ... and using SVN, as done in the OGC
20:14:37 <Holger> ack rgarcia
20:15:41 <krp> rgarcia: UPM will see if they can run Web Protege; then we can look at if we can host SVN
20:16:11 <krp> ACTION: Luis will check about setting up SVN, possibly at sourceforge
20:16:15 <Holger> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Reference_Use_Cases
20:17:10 <krp> TOPIC: Use cases
20:17:28 <ocorcho> +q
20:17:34 <krp> Holger: has put the winning use cases on the wiki
20:18:00 <laurent_oz> +q
20:18:16 <Holger> ack ocorcho
20:18:22 <krp> ... suggest these winning use cases are presented in more detail if needed
20:18:39 <krp> Oscar: 1 and 6 are device oriented
20:19:05 <krp> ... 2 is focussed on data, and 5 is in the middle
20:20:54 <krp> laurent:add to 5 some element of composition problems
20:21:01 <Holger> ack laurent_oz
20:21:52 <krp> holger: So we might categorise as: device, data, and process oriented
20:23:00 <krp> ... and use these broader use cases
20:23:15 <laurent_oz> +1
20:23:16 <Arthur> +1
20:23:18 <Luis_Bermudez> +1
20:23:19 <ocorcho> +1
20:23:22 <rgarcia> +1
20:23:23 <michael> +1
20:23:26 <krp> laurent: and we could re-attach some of the previous use cases
20:23:29 <cory> +1
20:26:01 <krp> holger: do we need to focus within each category?
20:26:30 <krp> michael: some specific examples within each
20:27:16 <laurent_oz> I can take the provenance one
20:27:21 <krp> holger: for each use category have someone lead selecting specific examples in each
20:28:30 <krp> holger: I can take devices
20:30:48 <krp> Oscar and Kevin: we are interested, but have time problems in the immediate weeks
20:32:09 <krp> ACTION: Laurent will lead the process use cases, Holger the devices, and Oscar (Kevin will help) data
20:33:00 <Holger> agenda?
20:33:12 <laurent_oz> +q
20:33:25 <krp> Sorry Lauren, didn't catch that, was that a specific paper you were mentioning?
20:33:46 <Holger> ack laurent_oz
20:34:11 <krp> Laurent: was there any paper/references to cover the use cases brought up at the f2f?
20:34:28 <krp> ACTION: Laurent will survey the literature for the use cases
20:35:27 <krp> Laurent: has added some material to the semantic annotation
20:35:45 <krp> cory: this is mostly on services, but is in scope and valid
20:36:08 <krp> ... laurent has also added information on other techniques (e.g. microformats)
20:36:44 <krp> ... also about specific lifting scripts - this might not be such an issue if we're lifting to a known, specific, ontology
20:37:49 <krp> Laurent: who has done work on using lifting?
20:38:04 <krp> cory: we've done this in O&M
20:39:06 <krp> cory: next, maybe we can focus on use cases to prioritise mechanisms
20:42:57 <laurent_oz> +q
20:43:03 <krp> holger: focus on annotation use cases first, then as the ontology hardens the annotation can be applied to this
20:43:17 <Holger> ack laurent_oz
20:44:20 <krp> laurent: we can also see where the markup use cases fit into the ontology use cases
20:45:20 <krp> holger: develop use cases separately but keep in mind they'll probably have dependencies as
20:45:56 <krp> luis: what is the next step? Develop some specific solutions? (xslt etc.)
20:47:01 <krp> cory: develop the framework first generically before tying to specific technologies
20:47:58 <krp> cory: take the general use case categories, and come up with a specific question in each one
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20:49:23 <Holger> zakim, bye
20:49:23 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Holger, +1.202.408.aabb, Arthur, rgarcia, [IPcaller], Prateek, krp, +34.91.633.aadd, ocorcho
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20:49:33 <Holger> rrsagent, make log public
20:49:41 <Holger> rrsagent, draft minutes 
20:49:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/24-ssn-minutes.html Holger
20:50:07 <Holger> rrsagent, bye
20:50:07 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/24-ssn-actions.rdf :
20:50:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Luis will check about setting up SVN, possibly at sourceforge [1]
20:50:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/24-ssn-irc#T20-16-11
20:50:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Laurent will lead the process use cases, Holger the devices, and Oscar (Kevin will help) data [2]
20:50:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/24-ssn-irc#T20-32-09
20:50:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Laurent will survey the literature for the use cases [3]
20:50:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/24-ssn-irc#T20-34-28