IRC log of bpwg on 2009-11-24

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Zakim, this will be BPWG

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ok, trackbot; I see MWI_BPWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 1 minute

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Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 24 November 2009

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Nov/0022.html

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Regrets: jeffs, EdC, Kai, tomhume, yeliz

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MWI_BPWG()9:30AM has now started

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+[IPcaller]

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+ +1.630.414.aaaa

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zakim, IPCaller is me

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+achuter; got it

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zakim, mute me

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zakim,code?

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the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), cgi-irc

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Zakim, aaaa is me

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+SeanP; got it

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+DKA

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zakim, unmute me

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Zakim, aabb is me

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+miguel; got it

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zakim, who is here?

14:35:33 [Zakim]

On the phone I see SeanP, achuter, DKA, miguel

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On IRC I see DKA, adam, achuter, SeanP, miguel, Zakim, RRSAgent, francois, trackbot, matt

14:36:40 [DKA]

zakim, who is here?

14:36:40 [Zakim]

On the phone I see SeanP, achuter, DKA, miguel

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On IRC I see DKA, adam, achuter, SeanP, miguel, Zakim, RRSAgent, francois, trackbot, matt

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+ +0207881aacc

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+ +64550aadd

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zakim, aacc is me

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+adam; got it

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zakim, aadd is me

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+francois; got it

14:38:10 [matt]

Present- Matt

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Scribe: Sean

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ScribeNick: SeanP

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Topic: London F2F

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-achuter

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DKA: The F2F meeting is at the Paddington office.

14:40:14 [SeanP]

DKA: I will get the information together for a logistics page to Francois.

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+??P2

14:41:01 [achuter]

zakim, P2 is me

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sorry, achuter, I do not recognize a party named 'P2'

14:41:07 [SeanP]

DKA: We can reuse of the WebApps WG logistics.

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zakim, ??P2 is me

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+achuter; got it

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zakim, mute me

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DKA: Do we have enough material for 3 days of meetings. Should we shorten the agenda?

14:41:36 [Zakim]

+francois.a

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-francois

14:41:58 [SeanP]

...We have 3 days of meeting space. So far we only 6 participants.

14:42:05 [francois]

zakim, francois.a is really me

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+francois; got it

14:42:25 [SeanP]

...If there is anyone on the call that hasn't said they are going to participate, please sign up.

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q+

14:42:34 [DKA]

ack seanp

14:43:21 [SeanP]

SeanP: I'll miss the Wed. F2F day. Be there for Thurs. and Fri.

14:44:39 [achuter]

zakim, mute me

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achuter was already muted, achuter

14:45:21 [SeanP]

Francois: If we only have 6 participants, maybe we should only use 2 days instead of 3.

14:45:51 [SeanP]

DKA: It would be useful to turn one of the days into an editorial session, even with a limited number participants.

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q+

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ack fra

14:46:13 [SeanP]

DKA: We can get closer to finishing the documents.

14:46:42 [SeanP]

Francois: I'm not saying we can't fill the three days. I'm just hearing complaints that we may not need the 3 days.

14:47:02 [SeanP]

DKA: I think we could spend the time to finish the documents.

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Topic: MWABP Status Update

14:48:12 [francois]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-comments/2009OctDec/0064.html Last comments from Robin Berjon on MWABP

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Adam: Going through the edits. We can make come editorial changes to clarify things.

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Adam: The edited version will be ready by the end of the week.

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DKA: What does that mean for our schedule? Will there be a draft for the F2F?

14:49:19 [SeanP]

Adam: Should have version out this week.

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DKA: I'm thinking about comments. If we could use the F2F time to respond to comments, then we'll be in good position.

14:50:32 [SeanP]

Adam: All of the changes to be made are editorial changes and tweaks.

14:50:59 [SeanP]

...We should be in good shape when that gets done.

14:51:37 [SeanP]

Francois: I think it is a good idea to go back to the commenters as soon as possible. I think it is possible to release the document before the end of the year.

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-DKA

14:51:55 [SeanP]

...If there are no major changes, it is possible to move to CR.

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+DKA

14:52:20 [SeanP]

...Thanks Adam. Everyone should review the comments.

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Adam: In Robin's comments, he asks that we be more specific on BONDY(??).

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s/BONDY(??)/BONDI/

14:53:36 [SeanP]

DKA: I can take an action to review that.

14:54:29 [SeanP]

Adam: What is the specific reference you are talking about.

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ACTION: dan to review comment from Robin on 3.1.2.1 on storage and BONDI, HTML5, and Opera Widgets

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Created ACTION-1026 - Review comment from Robin on 3.1.2.1 on storage and BONDI, HTML5, and Opera Widgets [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2009-12-01].

14:54:40 [SeanP]

...It is 3.1.2.1.

14:55:20 [SeanP]

Adam: In 3.6.4.2, there is a reference to 406. I don't have a strong opinion on that.

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q+

14:57:01 [SeanP]

DKA: What have discussed in the past on the 406 issue? Have we discussed sending Human read able text.

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ack francois

14:57:30 [SeanP]

Adam: Jo may have a comment on 3.6.4.2.

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Francois: This is applicable to the CTG as well.

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Francois: Sometime mobile browsers don't display the human readable text.

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-> http://www.w3.org/TR/mwabp/#bp-devcap-scripting-support MWABP 3.6.4 section

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s/Sometime/Sometimes/

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DKA: What does the MWABP say about it now?

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Francois: We could add the human readable text information.

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-> http://www.w3.org/TR/ct-guidelines/#sec-server-use-of-406 Ref. to 406 in CT

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zakim, unmute me

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achuter should no longer be muted

15:00:12 [SeanP]

DKA: Is there text we can take from the CTG to put in the MWABP?

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q+

15:00:27 [francois]

zakim, who is making noise?

15:00:28 [SeanP]

Francois: There some text about mobile browsers not displaying the human readable text.

15:00:38 [Zakim]

francois, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: achuter (97%), DKA (5%)

15:00:56 [DKA]

Suggested text: "...along with a human readable content explaining the situation in more detail. However, some browsers do not display the content of HTTP 406 Status responses."

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zakim, mute me

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achuter should now be muted

15:01:08 [DKA]

ack achu

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sorry, noscript

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zakim, mute achuter

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achuter should now be muted

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Alan: Need to handle the NOSCRIPT element..

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Adam: Should we reference the CTG?

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DKA: Shouldn't reference the CTG in the MWABP.

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-achuter

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Adam: Have we dealt with NOSCRIPT before?

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DKA: I don't think so.

15:03:08 [SeanP]

Adam: We should get Jo's thoughts on NOSCRIPT.

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Adam: Need to talk about CANVAS tag. When should SVG be used and when should CANVAS be used?

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zakim, +0349112 is me

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+achuter; got it

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zakim, mute me

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15:04:31 [SeanP]

DKA: Doesn't it make it even more flakey, if we back away from our current tepid recommendations on this issue?

15:04:39 [SeanP]

Adam: I suppose so.

15:05:00 [SeanP]

DKA: Did Robin have specific recommendations?

15:05:21 [SeanP]

Adam: Just to say that SVG and CANVAS should be compared, just mentioned.

15:05:39 [SeanP]

DKA: Let me see if I can get Robin to give some recommendations.

15:06:08 [SeanP]

Adam: Could handle the comments on SVG and CANVAS and BONDI?

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DKA: Ok.

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DKA: We could get Robin to call into the F2F.

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Adam: There are some areas that I don't have strong feelings on, so I'd like the rest of the group to talk about it.

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Topic: CT

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DKA: Can we do anything without Jo?

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DKA: Can you help Francois?

15:08:25 [SeanP]

Francois: We have the usual issues with CT that we need to figure out how to resolve.

15:09:31 [SeanP]

...We got some more comments that were related to the first group of comments. The W3C had some problems with blocking of email, so that is why we didn't receive a lot of comments at first.

15:09:54 [SeanP]

...We received some comments from Luca Passani and Mark Nottingham, for example.

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DKA: We need to publish the CT document in a meaningful way. It is an important document.

15:10:53 [SeanP]

...We could organize a special editorial meeting at the end of this week?

15:11:15 [SeanP]

Francois: We should handle this on next weeks call when we have more CT participants.

15:12:37 [SeanP]

DKA: Jo will not be on next week's call. We're going to have to do the editorial meeting this Monday.

15:13:18 [SeanP]

...I'll try to organize a call on Monday morning (11/30).

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...Around 3:30 UTC.

15:14:00 [SeanP]

...need to get his done before the F2F.

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s/his/this/

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Topic: AOB

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zakim, unmute me

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achuter should no longer be muted

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-DKA

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-achuter

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-adam

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-francois

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-miguel

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-SeanP

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MWI_BPWG()9:30AM has ended

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Attendees were +1.630.414.aaaa, achuter, SeanP, DKA, +34.98.439.aabb, miguel, +0207881aacc, +64550aadd, adam, francois, +03491121aaee

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/24-bpwg-minutes.html francois

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RRSagent, bye

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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/24-bpwg-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: dan to review comment from Robin on 3.1.2.1 on storage and BONDI, HTML5, and Opera Widgets [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/24-bpwg-irc#T14-54-33

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Zakim, bye

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