14:29:05 RRSAgent has joined #bpwg 14:29:05 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/11/24-bpwg-irc 14:29:07 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:29:07 Zakim has joined #bpwg 14:29:09 Zakim, this will be BPWG 14:29:09 ok, trackbot; I see MWI_BPWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 1 minute 14:29:10 Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference 14:29:10 Date: 24 November 2009 14:29:17 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Nov/0022.html 14:29:48 miguel has joined #bpwg 14:30:02 Regrets: jeffs, EdC, Kai, tomhume, yeliz 14:31:20 SeanP has joined #bpwg 14:31:58 achuter has joined #bpwg 14:32:40 MWI_BPWG()9:30AM has now started 14:32:45 +[IPcaller] 14:32:47 + +1.630.414.aaaa 14:33:02 zakim, IPCaller is me 14:33:02 +achuter; got it 14:33:24 zakim, mute me 14:33:24 achuter should now be muted 14:34:10 cgi-irc has joined #bpwg 14:34:19 zakim,code? 14:34:19 the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), cgi-irc 14:34:20 Zakim, aaaa is me 14:34:21 +SeanP; got it 14:34:54 +DKA 14:35:04 zakim, unmute me 14:35:04 achuter should no longer be muted 14:35:07 + +34.98.439.aabb 14:35:23 DKA has joined #bpwg 14:35:25 Zakim, aabb is me 14:35:25 +miguel; got it 14:35:33 zakim, who is here? 14:35:33 On the phone I see SeanP, achuter, DKA, miguel 14:35:34 On IRC I see DKA, adam, achuter, SeanP, miguel, Zakim, RRSAgent, francois, trackbot, matt 14:36:40 zakim, who is here? 14:36:40 On the phone I see SeanP, achuter, DKA, miguel 14:36:41 On IRC I see DKA, adam, achuter, SeanP, miguel, Zakim, RRSAgent, francois, trackbot, matt 14:37:29 + +0207881aacc 14:37:41 + +64550aadd 14:37:41 zakim, aacc is me 14:37:42 +adam; got it 14:37:52 zakim, aadd is me 14:37:52 +francois; got it 14:38:10 Present- Matt 14:38:24 Scribe: Sean 14:38:36 ScribeNick: SeanP 14:39:13 Topic: London F2F 14:39:25 -achuter 14:39:43 DKA: The F2F meeting is at the Paddington office. 14:40:14 DKA: I will get the information together for a logistics page to Francois. 14:40:52 +??P2 14:41:01 zakim, P2 is me 14:41:01 sorry, achuter, I do not recognize a party named 'P2' 14:41:07 DKA: We can reuse of the WebApps WG logistics. 14:41:08 zakim, ??P2 is me 14:41:08 +achuter; got it 14:41:12 zakim, mute me 14:41:12 achuter should now be muted 14:41:27 jsmanrique has joined #bpwg 14:41:35 DKA: Do we have enough material for 3 days of meetings. Should we shorten the agenda? 14:41:36 +francois.a 14:41:56 -francois 14:41:58 ...We have 3 days of meeting space. So far we only 6 participants. 14:42:05 zakim, francois.a is really me 14:42:05 +francois; got it 14:42:25 ...If there is anyone on the call that hasn't said they are going to participate, please sign up. 14:42:29 q+ 14:42:34 ack seanp 14:43:21 SeanP: I'll miss the Wed. F2F day. Be there for Thurs. and Fri. 14:44:39 zakim, mute me 14:44:39 achuter was already muted, achuter 14:45:21 Francois: If we only have 6 participants, maybe we should only use 2 days instead of 3. 14:45:51 DKA: It would be useful to turn one of the days into an editorial session, even with a limited number participants. 14:46:00 q+ 14:46:07 ack fra 14:46:13 DKA: We can get closer to finishing the documents. 14:46:42 Francois: I'm not saying we can't fill the three days. I'm just hearing complaints that we may not need the 3 days. 14:47:02 DKA: I think we could spend the time to finish the documents. 14:47:19 Topic: MWABP Status Update 14:48:12 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-comments/2009OctDec/0064.html Last comments from Robin Berjon on MWABP 14:48:21 Adam: Going through the edits. We can make come editorial changes to clarify things. 14:48:41 Adam: The edited version will be ready by the end of the week. 14:49:03 DKA: What does that mean for our schedule? Will there be a draft for the F2F? 14:49:19 Adam: Should have version out this week. 14:49:49 DKA: I'm thinking about comments. If we could use the F2F time to respond to comments, then we'll be in good position. 14:50:32 Adam: All of the changes to be made are editorial changes and tweaks. 14:50:59 ...We should be in good shape when that gets done. 14:51:37 Francois: I think it is a good idea to go back to the commenters as soon as possible. I think it is possible to release the document before the end of the year. 14:51:44 -DKA 14:51:55 ...If there are no major changes, it is possible to move to CR. 14:52:13 +DKA 14:52:20 ...Thanks Adam. Everyone should review the comments. 14:53:19 Adam: In Robin's comments, he asks that we be more specific on BONDY(??). 14:53:29 s/BONDY(??)/BONDI/ 14:53:36 DKA: I can take an action to review that. 14:54:29 Adam: What is the specific reference you are talking about. 14:54:33 ACTION: dan to review comment from Robin on 3.1.2.1 on storage and BONDI, HTML5, and Opera Widgets 14:54:33 Created ACTION-1026 - Review comment from Robin on 3.1.2.1 on storage and BONDI, HTML5, and Opera Widgets [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2009-12-01]. 14:54:40 ...It is 3.1.2.1. 14:55:20 Adam: In 3.6.4.2, there is a reference to 406. I don't have a strong opinion on that. 14:56:54 q+ 14:57:01 DKA: What have discussed in the past on the 406 issue? Have we discussed sending Human read able text. 14:57:25 ack francois 14:57:30 Adam: Jo may have a comment on 3.6.4.2. 14:58:06 Francois: This is applicable to the CTG as well. 14:58:30 Francois: Sometime mobile browsers don't display the human readable text. 14:58:51 -> http://www.w3.org/TR/mwabp/#bp-devcap-scripting-support MWABP 3.6.4 section 14:59:00 s/Sometime/Sometimes/ 14:59:17 DKA: What does the MWABP say about it now? 14:59:45 Francois: We could add the human readable text information. 14:59:49 -> http://www.w3.org/TR/ct-guidelines/#sec-server-use-of-406 Ref. to 406 in CT 15:00:10 zakim, unmute me 15:00:10 achuter should no longer be muted 15:00:12 DKA: Is there text we can take from the CTG to put in the MWABP? 15:00:24 q+ 15:00:27 zakim, who is making noise? 15:00:28 Francois: There some text about mobile browsers not displaying the human readable text. 15:00:38 francois, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: achuter (97%), DKA (5%) 15:00:56 Suggested text: "...along with a human readable content explaining the situation in more detail. However, some browsers do not display the content of HTTP 406 Status responses." 15:01:01 zakim, mute me 15:01:01 achuter should now be muted 15:01:08 ack achu 15:01:13 sorry, noscript 15:01:18 zakim, mute achuter 15:01:21 achuter should now be muted 15:01:52 Alan: Need to handle the NOSCRIPT element.. 15:02:10 Adam: Should we reference the CTG? 15:02:29 DKA: Shouldn't reference the CTG in the MWABP. 15:02:39 -achuter 15:02:47 Adam: Have we dealt with NOSCRIPT before? 15:02:55 DKA: I don't think so. 15:03:08 Adam: We should get Jo's thoughts on NOSCRIPT. 15:03:18 + +03491121aaee 15:03:43 Adam: Need to talk about CANVAS tag. When should SVG be used and when should CANVAS be used? 15:03:52 zakim, +0349112 is me 15:03:53 +achuter; got it 15:03:59 zakim, mute me 15:03:59 achuter should now be muted 15:04:31 DKA: Doesn't it make it even more flakey, if we back away from our current tepid recommendations on this issue? 15:04:39 Adam: I suppose so. 15:05:00 DKA: Did Robin have specific recommendations? 15:05:21 Adam: Just to say that SVG and CANVAS should be compared, just mentioned. 15:05:39 DKA: Let me see if I can get Robin to give some recommendations. 15:06:08 Adam: Could handle the comments on SVG and CANVAS and BONDI? 15:06:11 DKA: Ok. 15:06:26 DKA: We could get Robin to call into the F2F. 15:06:51 Adam: There are some areas that I don't have strong feelings on, so I'd like the rest of the group to talk about it. 15:07:35 Topic: CT 15:07:47 DKA: Can we do anything without Jo? 15:08:03 DKA: Can you help Francois? 15:08:25 Francois: We have the usual issues with CT that we need to figure out how to resolve. 15:09:31 ...We got some more comments that were related to the first group of comments. The W3C had some problems with blocking of email, so that is why we didn't receive a lot of comments at first. 15:09:54 ...We received some comments from Luca Passani and Mark Nottingham, for example. 15:10:26 DKA: We need to publish the CT document in a meaningful way. It is an important document. 15:10:53 ...We could organize a special editorial meeting at the end of this week? 15:11:15 Francois: We should handle this on next weeks call when we have more CT participants. 15:12:37 DKA: Jo will not be on next week's call. We're going to have to do the editorial meeting this Monday. 15:13:18 ...I'll try to organize a call on Monday morning (11/30). 15:13:37 ...Around 3:30 UTC. 15:14:00 ...need to get his done before the F2F. 15:14:08 s/his/this/ 15:14:15 Topic: AOB 15:14:26 zakim, unmute me 15:14:26 achuter should no longer be muted 15:14:30 -DKA 15:14:35 -achuter 15:14:36 -adam 15:14:37 -francois 15:14:39 -miguel 15:14:42 -SeanP 15:14:43 MWI_BPWG()9:30AM has ended 15:14:45 Attendees were +1.630.414.aaaa, achuter, SeanP, DKA, +34.98.439.aabb, miguel, +0207881aacc, +64550aadd, adam, francois, +03491121aaee 15:35:02 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:35:02 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/24-bpwg-minutes.html francois 15:48:42 RRSagent, bye 15:48:42 I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/24-bpwg-actions.rdf : 15:48:42 ACTION: dan to review comment from Robin on 3.1.2.1 on storage and BONDI, HTML5, and Opera Widgets [1] 15:48:42 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/24-bpwg-irc#T14-54-33 15:48:45 Zakim, bye 15:48:45 Zakim has left #bpwg