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15:57:41 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7994
15:57:41 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see INC_SWXG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
15:57:42 <trackbot> Meeting: Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference
15:57:42 <trackbot> Date: 18 November 2009
15:58:20 <Zakim> INC_SWXG()11:00AM has now started
15:58:27 <Zakim> +DKA
15:58:38 <DKA> zakim, who is here?
15:58:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see DKA
15:58:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, petef, DKA, rreck, tlr, mischat_, danbri, FabGandon, tinkster, karl, MacTed, trackbot, Zakim
15:59:29 <Zakim> +petef
16:00:15 <Zakim> +tinkster
16:00:19 <tinkster> zakim, mute me
16:00:19 <Zakim> tinkster should now be muted
16:01:05 <Zakim> +??P26
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16:02:15 <tpa> Zakim, who is on the line?
16:02:15 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, tpa.
16:02:16 <DKA> MacTed you are down as scribe - are you happy about that / planning to join us
16:02:17 <DKA> ?
16:02:23 <tpa> Zakim, who is here?
16:02:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see DKA, petef, tinkster (muted), ??P26
16:02:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see claudio, tpa, pchampin, RRSAgent, petef, DKA, rreck, mischat_, danbri, FabGandon, tinkster, karl, MacTed, trackbot, Zakim
16:02:31 <tpa> Zakim, mute me
16:02:31 <Zakim> sorry, tpa, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
16:02:45 <tpa> Zakim, ??P26 is me
16:02:45 <Zakim> +tpa; got it
16:02:48 <tpa> Zakim, mute me
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16:03:08 <Zakim> +claudio
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16:03:51 <DKA> Scribe: Claudio
16:04:04 <DKA> ScribeNick: claudio
16:04:08 <DKA> Chair: DKA
16:04:14 <Zakim> + +49.238.aaaa
16:04:35 <DKA> zakim, aaaa is FabGandon
16:04:35 <Zakim> +FabGandon; got it
16:05:03 <tinkster> +1
16:05:28 <DKA> http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-swxg-minutes.html
16:05:35 <DKA> So resolved.
16:05:36 <DKA> +1
16:05:54 <Zakim> +??P39
16:05:56 <claudio> topic: approval of last meeting minutes
16:06:07 <claudio> approved
16:06:57 <claudio> DKA topic: review of user stories
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16:07:31 <DKA> zakim, who is here?
16:07:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see DKA, petef, tinkster (muted), tpa (muted), claudio, FabGandon, ??P39
16:07:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see martin, Adam, claudio, tpa, pchampin, RRSAgent, petef, DKA, rreck, mischat_, danbri, FabGandon, tinkster, karl, MacTed, trackbot, Zakim
16:07:38 <DKA> zakim, ??p39 is martin
16:07:38 <Zakim> +martin; got it
16:08:39 <DKA> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories
16:09:53 <claudio> DKA: let's try to focus on portability and provenance and context awareness user stories
16:10:23 <tpa> q+
16:10:43 <claudio> Fabian: propose to focus on the ones we have champions for...
16:11:21 <tpa> Zakim, unmute me
16:11:21 <Zakim> tpa should no longer be muted
16:11:34 <DKA> ack tpa
16:12:19 <claudio> Fabian: for example we should expand the business related user stories, boeing can help
16:12:47 <Zakim> +pchampin
16:13:22 <DKA> Stories - from a Developer's standpoint, from a User's standpoint, ...
16:13:27 <rreck> i submitted our provenance usecases to the provenance XG
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16:14:13 <DKA> Something for a "non-believable"
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16:14:30 <DKA> s/believable/believer/
16:14:37 <DKA> Multi-cultural aspect.
16:15:08 <Zakim> +??P44
16:15:26 <melvster> Zakim, ??P44 is me
16:15:26 <Zakim> +melvster; got it
16:15:51 <claudio> tpa: different scenarios on the identified areas addressed though the said developer and user viewpoints
16:16:34 <claudio> s/though/through
16:17:03 <DKA> ACTION tpa to develop 3 outlines - story 1, story 2, story 3 - and relate to existing user stories.
16:17:03 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - tpa
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16:17:33 <tpa> ACTION timanglade to develop 3 outlines - story 1, story 2, story 3 - and relate to existing user stories.
16:17:33 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - timanglade
16:17:40 <tpa> ACTION tanglade to develop 3 outlines - story 1, story 2, story 3 - and relate to existing user stories.
16:17:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-107 - Develop 3 outlines - story 1, story 2, story 3 - and relate to existing user stories. [on Tim Anglade - due 2009-11-25].
16:18:01 <DKA> q?
16:18:34 <claudio> DKA: we should target more outreach around this topic
16:18:44 <DKA> Should the final report follow a  certain structure...?
16:19:45 <claudio> DKA: the user stories document shouldn't be constrained to a given structure
16:20:24 <claudio> DKA: wouldn't worry about giving it a particular structure..
16:20:58 <DKA> "User Narratives"
16:21:34 <claudio> tpa: propose to create a wiki page to capture business and developing  narratives
16:21:57 <DKA> "Narratives" page - with "User Narrative"; "Developer Narrative"; "Business Narrative"
16:22:25 <DKA> With deep links into the user stories page.
16:23:51 <claudio> DKA: you could flash out the proposed outlines by the next week
16:24:22 <DKA> Adam anything to tell us about on your action regarding use case for enterprise social network?
16:24:37 <tpa> Adam, would you be available to brainstorm on Narratives?
16:24:43 <Adam> no sir, no updates
16:25:05 <Adam> tpa, i would be happy to ... have a specific time in mind?
16:25:08 <danbri> (folks, i'll have to sit out this call... sorry all, regrets!)
16:25:19 <tpa> Zakim, mute me
16:25:19 <Zakim> tpa should now be muted
16:25:29 <claudio> tpa: ok to flash outlines out but require some inputs from the XG
16:26:06 <claudio> topic: final report
16:26:19 <claudio> DKA: do we need an editor?
16:26:29 <petef> Can you remind me what the timeframe for delivery of the final report is?
16:26:29 <tpa> Adam => see private messages
16:26:38 <tinkster> Sorry, got to go.
16:26:42 <Zakim> -tinkster
16:26:56 <claudio> DKA: of course we need contributors first
16:28:07 <DKA> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/OneLiners
16:28:26 <claudio> DKA: we should catalogue existing initiatives in the area 
16:28:30 <petef> +q
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16:29:12 <DKA> ack pete
16:29:20 <claudio> DKA: we need to collect and organize this material
16:29:58 <claudio> DKA: final report is expected for march
16:30:07 <melvster> I would be happy to review one liners to the extent of my knowledge, tho perhaps this is more or a two person action?
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16:32:18 <claudio> topic: invited experts 
16:33:17 <DKA> Maybe we can have Chris M for the 2nd of December...
16:33:27 <DKA> PeteF to confirm.
16:34:00 <melvster> bbc was mischa - he sent regrets
16:35:03 <claudio> DKA: any other ideas?
16:36:14 <claudio> DKA: AOB?
16:37:04 <claudio> DKA: let's rejoin next week
16:37:07 <Zakim> -FabGandon
16:37:07 <petef> Bye everyone
16:37:10 <Zakim> -tpa
16:37:10 <melvster> bye
16:37:11 <claudio> bye
16:37:12 <Zakim> -petef
16:37:13 <Zakim> -martin
16:37:17 <Zakim> -melvster
16:37:35 <DKA> trackbot, make minutes
16:37:35 <trackbot> Sorry, DKA, I don't understand 'trackbot, make minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
16:37:43 <DKA> RRSagent, make minutes
16:37:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/18-swxg-minutes.html DKA
16:37:49 <DKA> RRSagent, make minutes public
16:37:49 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', DKA.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:38:00 <Zakim> -claudio
16:38:04 <Zakim> -pchampin
16:38:06 <DKA> thanks claudio!
16:38:13 <DKA> trackbot, make minutes
16:38:13 <trackbot> Sorry, DKA, I don't understand 'trackbot, make minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
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16:38:24 <DKA> RRSagent, make minutes
16:38:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/18-swxg-minutes.html DKA
16:38:33 <DKA> trackbot, end meeting
16:38:33 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:38:33 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been DKA, petef, tinkster, tpa, claudio, +49.238.aaaa, FabGandon, martin, pchampin, melvster
16:38:34 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:38:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/18-swxg-minutes.html trackbot
16:38:35 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:38:35 <RRSAgent> I see no action items