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11:53:39 <wbailer> Zakim, this will be MAWG
11:53:39 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, wbailer
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11:56:59 <wbailer> hi daniel!
11:57:15 <wbailer> according to W3C schedule MAWG is now at 13:00 UTC
11:57:48 <wbailer> zakim, this will be mawg
11:57:48 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, wbailer
11:57:49 <florian> is the meeting now?
11:57:59 <florian> i thought it would be one hour later ;)
11:58:29 <wbailer> daniel said in the agenda 12:00 UTC, which would be now, but it seems it's 13:00 UTC
11:58:33 <daniel> oops, isn't it a regular timetable ? I confused
11:58:56 <wonsuk> Hi.. all.. 
11:58:58 <wbailer> no, it seems they shifted the times when switching to winter time in the US
11:59:08 <florian> i?m confused
11:59:09 <florian> ^^
11:59:23 <florian> if the telecon starts now, i can join, one hour later not ;)
11:59:23 <wonsuk> yes.. me too.. 
11:59:39 <wonsuk> me too ;-)
11:59:44 <wonsuk> hahaha.. 
11:59:45 <wbailer> zakim, this will be mawg
11:59:45 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, wbailer
12:00:38 <daniel> oh..sorry I didn't check that...we should start one-hour later or any other ways ? guidel me...
12:01:02 <wonsuk> can we change the schedule now?
12:01:18 <wbailer> it says 13:00 UTC at http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar.html#s_3459
12:01:55 <wbailer> I think we can't change without asking W3C staff to change the schedule and reservation of the telecon bridge
12:02:50 <wonsuk> yes. then we have to call one hour later. ;-(
12:03:22 <daniel> I see, but I think there are few participants today call even if we shift one hour later. 
12:04:23 <florian> but we there will be problems with the minutes, right?
12:04:44 <wonsuk> yes.. how about telecon bridge ?
12:05:07 <wonsuk> can we use this now ?
12:06:50 <daniel> zamik is now restricted...so we should start 13:00 UTC (one hour later)
12:08:03 <wonsuk> ok... talk you later :-)
12:32:36 <wbailer> zakim, this will be mawg
12:32:36 <Zakim> ok, wbailer; I see IA_MAWG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 28 minutes
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12:58:40 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()8:00AM has now started
12:58:47 <raphael> zakim, code?
12:58:47 <Zakim> the conference code is 6294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), raphael
12:58:49 <Zakim> + +41.22.717.aaaa
12:58:49 <Zakim> +pchampin
12:59:13 <Zakim> + +329331aabb
12:59:38 <Zakim> +wonsuk
13:00:12 <Zakim> +Raphael
13:00:22 <raphael> zakim, who is here?
13:00:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see +41.22.717.aaaa, pchampin (muted), +329331aabb, wonsuk, Raphael
13:00:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see pchampin, ChrisPoppe, raphael, daniel, wonsuk, Zakim, RRSAgent, wbailer, florian, trackbot
13:00:27 <Zakim> + +1.574.905.aacc
13:00:40 <raphael> trackbot, start telecon
13:00:41 <Zakim> +??P7
13:00:42 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
13:00:44 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be MAWG
13:00:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference
13:00:45 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see IA_MAWG()8:00AM already started
13:00:45 <trackbot> Date: 17 November 2009
13:01:10 <ChrisPoppe> Zakim, +329331aabb is me
13:01:10 <Zakim> +ChrisPoppe; got it
13:02:16 <Zakim> +joakim
13:02:29 <wbailer> zakim, who is here?
13:02:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see +41.22.717.aaaa, pchampin (muted), ChrisPoppe, wonsuk, Raphael, +1.574.905.aacc, ??P7, joakim
13:02:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see pchampin, ChrisPoppe, raphael, daniel, wonsuk, Zakim, RRSAgent, wbailer, florian, trackbot
13:02:40 <joakim> joakim has joined #mediaann
13:02:58 <wbailer> zakim, P7 is wbailer
13:02:58 <Zakim> sorry, wbailer, I do not recognize a party named 'P7'
13:03:07 <wbailer> zakim, ??P7 is wbailer
13:03:07 <Zakim> +wbailer; got it
13:03:08 <daniel> please be volunteering for today call 
13:03:46 <joakim> I can scribe
13:03:58 <joakim> scribe: Joakim
13:04:34 <daniel> http://www.w3.org/2009/11/05-mediaann-minutes.html
13:04:49 <daniel> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Nov/0026.html
13:05:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/17-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
13:05:06 <joakim> review the previous meeing
13:05:29 <joakim> We updated our milestones
13:05:35 <raphael> Chair: Daniel
13:06:08 <raphael> Regrets: Felix, Tobias, Florian, 
13:06:43 <raphael> Present: Chris, Daniel, Joakim, Raphael, Pierre-Antoine, Werner, Wonsuk, Florian
13:07:14 <joakim> last call for Ontology and API  doc in March 2010
13:08:21 <joakim> candidate Rec may 2010
13:09:08 <joakim> propose two write a Primer document that explain how to use the ontology and api
13:09:26 <pchampin> s/two write/to write/
13:10:09 <daniel> http://www.w3.org/2009/11/06-mediaann-minutes.html 
13:11:44 <daniel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
13:11:58 <joakim> topic: open action items
13:13:28 <raphael> werner, could you put the link to this wiki page on irc ?
13:16:11 <wbailer> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/SetOnMetamodel
13:16:36 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/WD/mapping_table.html
13:17:42 <joakim> leave action-124 open, discuss when felix is back
13:18:33 <joakim> action 134 is ongoing
13:18:33 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 134
13:19:37 <joakim> Daniel will send an email to Dave and Veronique regarding action 134 - 149
13:20:55 <joakim> close action-155
13:20:55 <trackbot> ACTION-155 And co-editors (wonsuk, florian, victor, werner) to come up for a proposal for a return type for all properties, i.e. structured or unstructured? closed
13:22:48 <pchampin> q+ toask about EBU
13:22:50 <joakim> Should we create new concpets or should we create mappings?
13:23:06 <pchampin> q+ to ask about EBU
13:23:19 <joakim> Who do you come up with a list of properties to define a person
13:23:49 <joakim> JP: EBU 15 yrs ago, defined how to describe a person
13:24:05 <joakim> is possible to map to foaf?
13:24:50 <joakim> possible to make a partial mapping
13:25:17 <pchampin> Zakim, ack me
13:25:17 <Zakim> unmuting pchampin
13:25:18 <Zakim> pchampin, you wanted to ask about EBU
13:25:19 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:28:15 <joakim> JP: maby MAWG should have one field for the name
13:29:03 <joakim> it depends on the requriments
13:30:14 <joakim> PA: We should refraibn to structure to any kind of data like, name
13:30:39 <joakim> We should focus on the attributes of the media
13:31:03 <joakim> UIR seems to be a good idea to use, but should it be used to classes!?
13:31:29 <joakim> s /UIR URI
13:31:41 <pchampin> s/UIR/URI/
13:32:37 <joakim> the only think we can do is to map attributes 
13:33:27 <joakim> PA: we should not descrive the whole world,
13:33:33 <ChrisPoppe> if we do not structure the person type we lose the structured information that is available in some metadata formats
13:33:59 <joakim> Point a description to another strucutre
13:34:09 <joakim> JP: you pointer is only to the source!?
13:34:25 <joakim> JP: do you point to the instance
13:35:00 <joakim> PA: An ideitifier to the source i.e. creator
13:35:29 <joakim> JP: you are getting different descriptions, which you are mapping back to
13:35:50 <joakim> JP: don't think it is our work to point back to the original format
13:35:54 <ChrisPoppe> +1 
13:36:59 <joakim> JP: the problem is that we are looking at somethinkg that is structured, but MAWG will be a concatination of the data from the original instance
13:37:47 <joakim> PA: My idea is that the inscope usuuall has thir own imedded description, we dont't want use that. More metadata will be linked metadata
13:37:57 <joakim> and we should be able to point to that
13:38:08 <joakim> JP. don't think it should be in our scope
13:38:38 <joakim> JP: let's not go into linked data now
13:39:05 <joakim> JP: we should contie working on the ontology
13:39:16 <joakim> s/contie continue
13:39:31 <raphael> s/contie/continue
13:39:49 <raphael> s/usuuall/usually
13:39:56 <joakim> close action-156
13:39:57 <trackbot> ACTION-156 Ask Jean-Pierre about the rationale in EBU to redefine the notion of Person rather than reuse an existing one closed
13:39:57 <raphael> s/imedded/imbedded
13:40:08 <raphael> s/concatination/concatenation
13:40:31 <raphael> s/ideitifier/identifier
13:40:38 <joakim> we hear you
13:40:54 <joakim> close action-157
13:40:54 <trackbot> ACTION-157 Send email about representing date in WebIDL closed
13:41:14 <joakim> close action-162
13:41:14 <trackbot> ACTION-162 Contact W3C staff to put the API working draft on TR closed
13:42:57 <joakim> close action-164
13:42:57 <trackbot> ACTION-164 Update the wiki with the rationale for not reusing DC properties closed
13:43:14 <joakim> close action-165
13:43:14 <trackbot> ACTION-165 Send a mail to the wap WG closed
13:43:21 <pchampin> closed as well
13:43:32 <joakim> close action-166
13:43:32 <trackbot> ACTION-166 Add issues to API open issues wiki page closed
13:44:27 <pchampin> zakim, unmute me
13:44:27 <Zakim> pchampin should no longer be muted
13:46:42 <joakim> close action-170
13:46:42 <trackbot> ACTION-170 Update 4.1.1 of ontology doc (put text on voring etc there) closed
13:47:32 <joakim> close action-134
13:47:32 <trackbot> ACTION-134 Revise e-mail on issues/updates of property description closed
13:48:18 <joakim> close action-173
13:48:18 <trackbot> ACTION-173 chase mapping table editors to restructure (following summary table) and update their tables closed
13:48:23 <raphael> q+
13:48:36 <raphael> I haven't understood what I should do for action-173!
13:48:42 <raphael> Daniel ?
13:49:39 <joakim> yes
13:50:29 <ChrisPoppe> all formats need to be updated according to the MPEG-7 example
13:50:40 <ChrisPoppe> for layout purposes
13:50:47 <wbailer> editors of the mapping tables are listed at http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping_review
13:51:06 <ChrisPoppe> additionally, the XPATH mappings should be filled in
13:51:27 <daniel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/WD/MPEG7.html
13:51:32 <ChrisPoppe> according to the EBUCore, IPTC, DIG35 examples
13:53:30 <raphael> could we clarify that in the minutes ?
13:53:48 <joakim> Daniel is to chase the mapping editors to:
13:53:54 <joakim> fill in datatypes
13:54:06 <joakim> fill in xpath when avialable
13:54:19 <ChrisPoppe> and change layout according to summary table
13:54:43 <joakim> and also to upate the order of the rows according to the summary table
13:55:02 <raphael> So: the actions are actually for the editors of http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping_review, aka Joakim, David, Tobias, Chris, Felix, Victor, Wonsuk, Véronique, Jean Pierre, Werner
13:55:29 <ChrisPoppe> indeed
13:55:44 <wbailer> graphic showing implementation options for API: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Nov/0006.html
13:56:23 <joakim> close action-177
13:56:23 <trackbot> ACTION-177 Make schematic pictures of sample applications closed
13:56:50 <joakim> close action-178
13:56:50 <trackbot> ACTION-178 Add this open issue to the wiki closed
13:56:58 <joakim> close action-179
13:56:58 <trackbot> ACTION-179 Add the subtype problem as an open issue to the wiki closed
13:57:03 <joakim> close action-180
13:57:03 <trackbot> ACTION-180 Add the metadata on metadata issue to the open issues on the wiki closed
13:57:08 <Zakim> +??P12
13:57:13 <joakim> close action-181
13:57:13 <trackbot> ACTION-181 Add the proposed solution to include URIs and strings to the wiki closed
13:57:14 <Zakim> -wonsuk
13:57:15 <joakim> close action-182
13:57:15 <trackbot> ACTION-182 Add the use of seconds to the proposed solutions closed
13:57:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:57:53 <ChrisPoppe> I believe wonsuk just sent an email this noon
13:58:03 <ChrisPoppe> regarding action - 183
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13:58:55 <joakim> close action-187
13:58:55 <trackbot> ACTION-187 Create a WebIDL specifiction to the generic GET Method closed
14:00:26 <joakim> close action-183
14:00:26 <trackbot> ACTION-183 Update the requirements document based on the proposed updates closed
14:00:46 <joakim> bye 
14:00:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/17-mediaann-minutes.html pchampin
14:01:00 <tobiasb> bye
14:01:04 <ChrisPoppe> bye
14:01:10 <Zakim> - +41.22.717.aaaa
14:01:11 <Zakim> - +1.574.905.aacc
14:01:12 <Zakim> -Raphael
14:01:14 <Zakim> -ChrisPoppe
14:01:15 <joakim> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:01:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/17-mediaann-minutes.html joakim
14:01:17 <Zakim> -wbailer
14:01:18 <Zakim> -??P12
14:01:20 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
14:01:23 <Zakim> -joakim
14:01:39 <pchampin> Raphael, I confirm that s/ works even when you're not the script :)
14:02:35 <wonsuk> wonsuk has left #mediaann
14:02:40 <raphael> Yep, I just saw that
14:02:51 <raphael> zakim, bye
14:02:51 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +41.22.717.aaaa, pchampin, wonsuk, Raphael, +1.574.905.aacc, ChrisPoppe, joakim, wbailer, [IPcaller]
14:02:51 <Zakim> Zakim has left #mediaann
14:03:01 <joakim> but I shoudld use two slashes:-)
14:03:04 <raphael> but we are lucky, this is because no scribenick was found :-)
14:03:14 <joakim> s/shoudld/should
14:03:20 <joakim> s/shoudld /should
14:03:45 <joakim> ok but it didn't work in my scribe
14:07:31 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:07:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/17-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
14:07:36 <raphael> RRSAgent, bye
14:07:36 <RRSAgent> I see no action items