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14:24:44 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be BPWG
14:24:44 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see MWI_BPWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
14:24:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
14:24:45 <trackbot> Date: 10 November 2009
14:24:56 <francois> Chair: jo
14:25:14 <francois> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Nov/0013.html
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14:25:27 <cgi-irc> zakim,code?
14:25:27 <Zakim> the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), cgi-irc
14:26:00 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()9:30AM has now started
14:26:03 <francois> Regrets: jeffs, brucel, sangwhan, tomhume, manrique, EdC
14:26:07 <Zakim> + +0207881aaaa
14:26:45 <Zakim> +francois
14:26:54 <francois> zakim, mute me
14:26:54 <Zakim> francois should now be muted
14:29:18 <jo> zakim, what is the code?
14:29:18 <Zakim> the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo
14:29:51 <Zakim> + +1.208.995.aabb
14:29:53 <Zakim> +??P2
14:29:59 <yeliz> zakim, ??P2 is yeliz
14:29:59 <Zakim> +yeliz; got it
14:30:02 <jo> zakim, aabb is me
14:30:02 <Zakim> +jo; got it
14:30:08 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
14:30:08 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
14:30:17 <jo> zakim, who is here?
14:30:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see +0207881aaaa, francois (muted), jo, yeliz (muted)
14:30:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see adam, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, yeliz, francois, trackbot
14:30:50 <adam> zakim, aaaa is me
14:30:50 <Zakim> +adam; got it
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14:31:15 <Zakim> + +7.717.85.aacc
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14:31:37 <francois> zakim, aacc is DKA
14:31:37 <Zakim> +DKA; got it
14:31:58 <francois> RRSAgent, language is now French
14:31:58 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'language is now French', francois.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:32:05 <Zakim> +??P5
14:32:41 <DKA> zakim, who's here?
14:32:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see adam, francois (muted), jo, yeliz (muted), DKA, miguel
14:32:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see DKA, miguel, adam, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, yeliz, francois, trackbot
14:32:50 <jo> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Nov/0013.html Agenda
14:33:02 <DKA> Scribe: Dan
14:33:08 <DKA> ScribeNick: DKA
14:33:13 <DKA> Topic: London F2F
14:33:18 <francois> -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/f2f-london-2009/results F2F registration results so far
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14:33:38 <DKA> Jo: If you haven't done so yet, please indicate if you will attend f2f.
14:33:43 <DKA> Topic: MWABP
14:33:55 <DKA> Jo: Lots of good comments just this morning.
14:34:04 <francois> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/37584/WD-mwabp-20091006/ list of last call comments on MWABP (member-only)
14:34:07 <DKA> Jo: Just arrived on BP-comments list.
14:34:20 <francois> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-comments/2009OctDec/0049.html Initial comments from Marc Wilson
14:34:32 <DKA> Jo: Where are we with latest editorial revisions.
14:34:43 <DKA> Adam: I've started - hope to cover them this weeks.
14:34:51 <DKA> Adam: What do to with comments?
14:34:57 <Zakim> +Kai
14:35:10 <DKA> Jo: If you want to make some initial responses that would help. We'll discuss as a group before replying.
14:35:25 <DKA> Adam: OK.
14:35:29 <Zakim> +SeanP
14:35:43 <francois> zakim, unmute me
14:35:43 <Zakim> francois should no longer be muted
14:35:46 <francois> q+
14:35:49 <DKA> q?
14:36:17 <jo> ack f
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14:36:48 <DKA> François: No need to be that formal. If you want to reply to Mark directly on the comments list that would be fine. Might be better to engage with commenters earlier.
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14:38:02 <francois> ACTION: adam to review comments from Marc Wilson and trigger discussion as needed
14:38:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1024 - Review comments from Marc Wilson and trigger discussion as needed [on Adam Connors - due 2009-11-17].
14:38:03 <DKA> Topic: Content Transformation
14:38:09 <Zakim> +??P8
14:38:14 <DKA> Jo: Status of replies - we haven't had many.
14:38:22 <chaals> zakim, ??p8 is me
14:38:22 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
14:39:05 <DKA> François: we need to chase people down. We had many comments on the initial last call wd - we must know if they approve or not our final decision. I will take an action to chase people down.
14:39:08 <DKA> q?
14:39:41 <francois> ACTION: daoust to try to get replies from commenters of the first last call working draft of CT
14:39:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1025 - Try to get replies from commenters of the first last call working draft of CT [on François Daoust - due 2009-11-17].
14:39:46 <francois> zakim, mute me
14:39:46 <Zakim> francois should now be muted
14:40:01 <DKA> +1 on Bruce's presentation [saw it at FOWA].
14:40:56 <francois> zakim, unmute me
14:40:56 <Zakim> francois should no longer be muted
14:41:14 <DKA> Jo: Ed's comments. Worth deferring discussion until he is here.
14:42:00 <DKA> Jo: I think we face a choice at this stage on moving ahead with this or having it stay in LC forever.
14:42:30 <DKA> François: We shouldn't worry right now on group not being chartered after December.
14:42:46 <DKA> Jo: Would another group be prepared to take it on?
14:42:57 <DKA> François: only plan would be charter extension.
14:43:54 <jo> ack ch
14:43:54 <DKA> Jo: I am not in favour of making substantive changes... I don't think the document will ever finish if we don't finish it...
14:44:55 <francois> zakim, mute me
14:44:55 <Zakim> francois should now be muted
14:44:58 <DKA> Chaals: If there are required substantive changes then I think we will have a difficult time getting the group consider to go on... I think we need to at some time grapple with Ed's issues.
14:45:17 <SeanP> +1 to not making radical changes to the CT Guidelines
14:45:43 <DKA> Jo: I agree but Ed's issues are additional issues. We should consider his contributions but should we decide to enact them then that would [kill] the document.
14:46:05 <DKA> Chaals: the way to avoid that is to grapple with the issues and resolve that we don't have any action to take on them.
14:46:17 <DKA> +1 to not making radical changes.
14:46:34 <DKA> +1 to ending the group on time if at all possible.
14:46:47 <francois> zakim, unmute me
14:46:47 <Zakim> francois should no longer be muted
14:46:54 <DKA> Jo: Contributions of tests - anything else to say?
14:46:58 <DKA> [no]
14:47:00 <francois> zakim, mute me
14:47:00 <Zakim> francois should now be muted
14:47:02 <francois> zakim, unmute me
14:47:02 <Zakim> francois should no longer be muted
14:47:11 <francois> zakim, mute me
14:47:11 <Zakim> francois should now be muted
14:49:11 <francois> q+
14:49:15 <francois> ack me
14:49:16 <DKA> ack fran
14:49:55 <DKA> Dan: won't we need a charter extension anyway to shepherd the docs to R?
14:50:29 <DKA> François: Yes. The group won't have much to do during this time but we will need the group to be operating for administrative reasons.
14:52:01 <DKA> Jo: Suggest François find out what we will need to do.
14:52:13 <DKA> François: Would be similar to how DD operated.
14:52:20 <DKA> Jo: AOB?
14:52:25 <DKA> [none]
14:52:34 <Zakim> -jo
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14:52:36 <Zakim> -adam
14:52:38 <Zakim> -francois
14:52:41 <Zakim> -Kai
14:52:44 <Zakim> -miguel
14:52:45 <Zakim> -SeanP
14:52:46 <chaals> bye.. thanks Jo, Dan
14:52:47 <Zakim> -yeliz
14:52:49 <DKA> Jo: In all likelyhood next week's call will be cancelled [due to lack of chairs].
14:52:49 <DKA> ciao!
14:52:55 <Zakim> -DKA
14:52:56 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()9:30AM has ended
14:52:57 <Zakim> Attendees were +0207881aaaa, francois, +1.208.995.aabb, yeliz, jo, adam, +7.717.85.aacc, DKA, miguel, Kai, SeanP, chaals
14:53:14 <Kai> Kai has left #bpwg
14:53:16 <DKA> François we missed you at TPAC.
14:53:45 <francois> thanks, Dan!
14:54:10 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:54:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/10-bpwg-minutes.html francois
15:07:18 <francois> RRSAgent, bye
15:07:18 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/10-bpwg-actions.rdf :
15:07:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: adam to review comments from Marc Wilson and trigger discussion as needed [1]
15:07:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/10-bpwg-irc#T14-38-02
15:07:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: daoust to try to get replies from commenters of the first last call working draft of CT [2]
15:07:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/10-bpwg-irc#T14-39-41
15:07:22 <francois> zakim, bye
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