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14:30:53 <raphael> yep, perfect, I will ping Yolanda so she can request trackbot to be attached to this group
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14:36:13 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-prov/2009Oct/0006.html
14:36:46 <raphael> RRSagent, draft minutes
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14:36:55 <raphael> RRSagent, make logs public
14:37:32 <raphael> Meeting: Provenance XG - Telecon 30-10-2009
14:37:38 <raphael> scribe: raphael
14:37:43 <raphael> scribenick: raphael
14:40:14 <raphael> RRSagent, draft minutes
14:40:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/30-prov-xg-minutes.html raphael
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14:50:27 <Zakim> +??P0
14:50:35 <raphael> wow, someone has dialed very early
14:50:40 <raphael> who has called ?
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14:54:28 <Zakim> +??P1
14:54:32 <Zakim> +Jerry_Hobbs
14:54:42 <raphael> chair: YolandaG 
14:54:50 <raphael> who has just called zakim ?
14:55:01 <pgroth> me
14:55:08 <raphael> Paul, you were the first ?
14:55:15 <pgroth> i think, i just dialed in
14:55:27 <raphael> zakim, P1 is pgroth 
14:55:27 <Zakim> sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named 'P1'
14:55:34 <raphael> zakim, ??P1 is pgroth 
14:55:34 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
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14:57:11 <Zakim> +??P4
14:57:16 <Irini> Ηι
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14:57:31 <Irini> Hi, this is Irini Fundulaki from Greece (+30 2810..)
14:57:31 <raphael> zakim, who is here?
14:57:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, pgroth, Jerry_Hobbs, +30281139aaaa, ??P4
14:57:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see paolo, smiles, YolandaG, Aleksey, ssahoo2, pgroth, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael, Irini, trackbot
14:58:23 <Zakim> + +41.22.807.aabb
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14:58:31 <Zakim> +??P13
14:58:42 <raphael> zakim, who is here?
14:58:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, pgroth, Jerry_Hobbs, +30281139aaaa, ??P4, +41.22.807.aabb, ??P13
14:58:43 <smiles> Hello, I (Simon Miles) am here too
14:58:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see raphael, paolo, smiles, YolandaG, Aleksey, ssahoo2, pgroth, RRSAgent, Zakim, Irini, trackbot
14:58:52 <paolo> hi all
14:59:07 <Zakim> + +1.860.995.aacc
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14:59:41 <Zakim> +Manu
14:59:53 <Zakim> +??P16
15:00:04 <raphael> zakim, Manu is raphael 
15:00:04 <Zakim> +raphael; got it
15:00:15 <Zakim> + +1.410.720.aadd
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15:00:23 <raphael> zakim, mute raphael 
15:00:23 <Zakim> raphael should now be muted
15:00:28 <Zakim> + +1.937.775.aaee
15:00:44 <raphael> please, when you join, state your name
15:00:50 <raphael> so Zakim can recognize
15:01:02 <raphael> zakim, +1.937.775 is yolanda
15:01:02 <Zakim> +yolanda; got it
15:01:22 <Zakim> + +0238059aaff
15:01:22 <ssahoo2> ssahoo2 is satya sahoo
15:01:30 <raphael> Web IRC is available at http://cgi.w3.org/member-bin/irc/irc.cgi pass the message
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15:02:07 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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15:02:15 <raphael> Topic: 1. Introduction
15:02:33 <raphael> Yolanda: I thank everybody, more than 35 people have joined the group and more will join
15:03:12 <raphael> ... I'm available as chair for anyone who has concern, issue
15:03:25 <raphael> ... a lot of people couldn't join today, but wanted to start early
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15:03:50 <raphael> Raphael: I'm willing to show you the magic commands
15:04:06 <Zakim> -raphael
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15:06:08 <raphael> zakim, aagg is raphael
15:06:08 <Zakim> +raphael; got it
15:06:25 <Zakim> +??P26
15:06:28 <raphael> Raphael: I'm very sorry, I'm disconnected often
15:06:32 <raphael> zakim, mute me
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15:06:37 <raphael> zakim, unmute me
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15:07:34 <raphael> http://cgi.w3.org/member-bin/irc/irc.cgi
15:08:16 <Zakim> + +1.518.608.aahh
15:09:07 <raphael> zakim, who is here?
15:09:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, pgroth, Jerry_Hobbs, +30281139aaaa, ??P4, +41.22.807.aabb, ??P13, +1.860.995.aacc, ??P16, +1.410.720.aadd, yolanda, +0238059aaff, raphael, ??P26,
15:09:11 <Zakim> ... +1.518.608.aahh
15:09:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see rreck, raphael, jmyers4, ian_oliver, Luc, Joshua, paolo, smiles, YolandaG, Aleksey, ssahoo2, pgroth, RRSAgent, Zakim, Irini, trackbot
15:09:20 <paolo> whois?
15:09:36 <rreck> what is the conference call code?
15:09:39 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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15:09:58 <pgroth> conference call code is : 98765
15:09:59 <ssahoo2> conf code 98765
15:10:18 <Zakim> +??P29
15:10:33 <rreck> zakim, i am ??P29
15:10:33 <Zakim> +rreck; got it
15:10:35 <raphael> Raphael: introducing quickly to some irc commands
15:10:51 <rreck> zakim, mute me
15:10:51 <Zakim> rreck should now be muted
15:11:12 <rreck> i can answer that
15:11:26 <rreck> you decide who you are based on timing
15:11:38 <rreck> i thought the call started at 11 EDT
15:11:54 <pgroth> it does
15:12:01 <raphael> zakim, mute me
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15:12:05 <pgroth> where are you at rreck
15:12:06 <pgroth> ?
15:12:14 <raphael> Topic: 2. Participants introductions
15:12:18 <rreck> washington DC metro, so EDT
15:12:27 <raphael> Yolanda: all, please introduce you very briefly on the phone
15:13:13 <raphael> ... but use the mailing list to introduce you with more details, providing links to paper and research
15:13:40 <raphael> ... I'm starting, I have done work using provenance for trust in knowledge base ... provenance in workflow system
15:13:51 <Luc> q+
15:13:58 <raphael> zakim, unmute me
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15:14:28 <raphael> zakim, mute me
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15:14:29 <rreck> q?
15:14:31 <ssahoo2> q+
15:14:33 <paolo> q+
15:14:35 <jmyers4> q+
15:14:37 <smiles> q+
15:14:38 <pgroth> q+
15:14:39 <Irini> q+
15:14:44 <ian_oliver> q+
15:14:51 <rreck> q question mark tells you who is on the queue
15:14:52 <Joshua> q+
15:14:57 <raphael> zakim, ack Luc
15:14:57 <Zakim> I see ssahoo, paolo, jmyers, smiles, pgroth, Irini, ian_oliver, Joshua on the speaker queue
15:15:10 <raphael> Luc: I'm Luc Moreau from Uni. of Southampton
15:15:43 <raphael> ... I'm working in Provenance since a lot of time, interoperability, creating with some others the Provenance Challenge
15:16:14 <raphael> ... we have 20-25 teams working on this activity ... result is OPM, the Open Provenance Model, used in the last edition of the challange
15:16:22 <raphael> s/challange/challenge
15:16:51 <raphael> ... more than 400 papers have been published on this topic
15:17:06 <raphael> ... will send a paper by the end of the next week
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15:17:36 <raphael> Raphael: I believe I have transcribed everything :-)
15:18:01 <raphael> q?
15:18:13 <raphael> zakim, unmute me
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15:18:36 <ssahoo2> satya sahoo
15:18:46 <raphael> zakim, mute me
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15:19:06 <raphael> Satya: use semantic web technique for representing provenance, made a formal ontology
15:19:26 <raphael> ... with Paulo and Juliana ... just run the Provenance Workshop @ISWC
15:19:34 <raphael> zakim, ack ssahoo2 
15:19:34 <Zakim> I see ssahoo, paolo, jmyers, smiles, pgroth, Irini, ian_oliver, Joshua on the speaker queue
15:19:46 <raphael> s/Paulo/Paolo
15:20:08 <raphael> zakim, ack Paolo
15:20:08 <Zakim> I see ssahoo, jmyers, smiles, pgroth, Irini, ian_oliver, Joshua on the speaker queue
15:20:35 <raphael> Paolo: I'm from Uni. of Manchester, interested in Provenance since 2 years
15:20:45 <raphael> zakim, ack ssahoo
15:20:45 <Zakim> I see jmyers, smiles, pgroth, Irini, ian_oliver, Joshua on the speaker queue
15:21:08 <raphael> Paolo: I will ask feedback to people about interface?
15:21:37 <raphael> ... regarding OPM, work in a specific profile, we have participated in the 3rd year challence of the provenance challenge
15:21:46 <raphael> s/challence/challenge
15:22:01 <raphael> ... we should put in the wiki more links to the provenance challenge results?
15:22:21 <raphael> ALL: please feel free to correct me if I'm scribing things wrongly
15:22:24 <raphael> q?
15:22:39 <raphael> zakim, jmyers
15:22:39 <Zakim> I don't understand 'jmyers', raphael
15:22:52 <raphael> Jim Myers: Uni of Irvine
15:23:09 <YolandaG> Jim Myers is at NCSA, not Irvine
15:23:12 <ssahoo2> Jim is at NCSA Univ of Illinois
15:23:24 <paolo> zakim, ack jmyers
15:23:24 <Zakim> I see smiles, pgroth, Irini, ian_oliver, Joshua on the speaker queue
15:23:44 <raphael> ... involved a lot in OPM and in the provenance challenge
15:24:05 <raphael> .. more details posted to the list
15:24:14 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:24:16 <raphael> q?
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15:25:44 <raphael> Paul: Uni of AMsterdam
15:25:44 <ian_oliver_3> q+
15:25:56 <paolo> zakim, ack smiles
15:25:56 <Zakim> I see pgroth, Irini, ian_oliver, Joshua, ian_oliver_ on the speaker queue
15:26:00 <raphael> ... interested in mashups?
15:26:02 <pgroth> vrije unviersity amsterdam
15:26:06 <raphael> zakim, ack smiles
15:26:06 <Zakim> I see pgroth, Irini, ian_oliver, Joshua, ian_oliver_ on the speaker queue
15:26:07 <pgroth> btw
15:26:13 <raphael> zakim, ack pgroth 
15:26:13 <Zakim> I see Irini, ian_oliver, Joshua, ian_oliver_ on the speaker queue
15:27:00 <raphael> Irini: FOAF team, got a paper in ISWC 2 days ago
15:27:08 <rreck> sorry i missed the paper. do you have a link to it ?
15:27:20 <raphael> Thanks Paul
15:27:35 <raphael> s/Uni of AMsterdam/Free University of Amsterdam
15:28:09 <raphael> q?
15:28:43 <raphael> zakim, ack Irini 
15:28:43 <Zakim> I see ian_oliver, Joshua, ian_oliver_ on the speaker queue
15:28:46 <Irini> please substitute FOAF with FORTH
15:28:50 <raphael> zakim, ack ian_oliver_3 
15:28:50 <Zakim> I see ian_oliver, Joshua, ian_oliver_ on the speaker queue
15:28:55 <raphael> s/FOAF/FORTH
15:29:17 <rreck> joshua: i am in chantilly
15:29:25 <raphael> Joshua Philips: Invited expert
15:29:40 <raphael> s/FOAF team/FORTH team
15:29:43 <raphael> q?
15:29:53 <raphael> zakim, ack ian_oliver_
15:29:53 <Zakim> I see ian_oliver, Joshua on the speaker queue
15:29:55 <raphael> zakim, ack ian_oliver
15:29:55 <Zakim> I see Joshua on the speaker queue
15:30:00 <Deborah> q+
15:30:02 <raphael> zakim, ack Joshua
15:30:02 <Zakim> I see Deborah on the speaker queue
15:30:08 <Irini> link to the FORTH paper: http://iswc2009.semanticweb.org/wiki/index.php/ISWC_2009_Research_Track#10:30__.09_Semantics:_Reasoning_and_Provenance
15:30:14 <raphael> zakim, ack Joshua
15:30:14 <Zakim> I see Deborah on the speaker queue
15:30:25 <raphael> who is talking?
15:30:33 <Deborah> Jim McCusker
15:30:42 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:31:36 <rreck> me too!
15:31:39 <raphael> Christine: Internet Society, not on IRC, interest in provenanc for privace and data protection
15:31:49 <Deborah> Deborah L McGuinness
15:31:49 <Deborah> Professor of Computer Science and Cognitive Science Tetherless World Constellation RPI  (previously led Stanford University’s Knowledge Systems Laboratory)
15:31:49 <Deborah> Inference Web – Knowledge Provenance Interlingua Environment – http://inference-web.org 
15:31:49 <Deborah> Uses 
15:31:49 <Deborah> PML – Proof Markup Language – Knowledge Provenance Interlingua - http://www.ksl.stanford.edu/KSL_Abstracts/KSL-07-07.html
15:31:51 <raphael> s/privace/privacy
15:32:25 <raphael> Deborah: RPI now, interested in provenance to improve trust
15:32:41 <raphael> ... work in the Proof Markup Language
15:33:19 <raphael> q?
15:33:27 <raphael> zakim, ack Deborah 
15:33:27 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
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15:34:04 <raphael> zakim, unmute me
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15:35:01 <Deborah> retrying to post info
15:35:02 <Deborah> Deborah L McGuinness
15:35:02 <Deborah> Professor of Computer Science and Cognitive Science Tetherless World Constellation RPI  (previously led Stanford University’s Knowledge Systems Laboratory)
15:35:02 <Deborah> Inference Web – Knowledge Provenance Interlingua Environment – http://inference-web.org 
15:35:02 <Deborah> Uses 
15:35:02 <Deborah> PML – Proof Markup Language – Knowledge Provenance Interlingua - http://www.ksl.stanford.edu/KSL_Abstracts/KSL-07-07.html
15:35:13 <raphael> zakim, mute me
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15:35:38 <raphael> it's ok Deborah, already recorded ... thought you have strange characters in your sentences
15:35:43 <paolo> I sent a link to the SWPM wiki yesterday through the mlist, not sure it was distributed correctly?
15:35:49 <raphael> Topic: 3. Goal of this XG
15:36:12 <raphael> Yolanda: we are an Incubator Group, XG, and NOT a WG, so we will not develop a recommendation
15:36:29 <Deborah> ok - thx raphael - is there a url where we can view the full recording?  (i only can see text since i rejoined irc)
15:36:31 <raphael> .... we will rather explore new area and provide guidance to W3C of what should be done in this domain
15:36:42 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:36:55 <raphael> Deborah, here
15:37:23 <rreck> yes, I sent you an email to that effect
15:37:37 <raphael> Yolanda: mailing list is public, and archived, so everything you send is accessible for ever
15:37:50 <raphael> ... we need to define the scope? of the work
15:38:09 <raphael> ... provenance is present in a very broad range of domains
15:38:32 <raphael> ... in the context of the Semantic Web, a lot of interest for Linked Data
15:39:03 <raphael> Raphael: indeed, there is at least me, Olaf Hartif here ... in the Washington DC VoCamp in the Library of Congress, and we are discussing Provenance vocabularies
15:39:09 <raphael> Regrets: Olaf
15:40:29 <raphael> Present: Raphael, Yolanda, Deborah, Luc, Satia, Paolo, Irini, Christine, Joshua, Simon
15:40:49 <raphael> Yolanda: goal is to describe the landscape of the various intiatives
15:40:51 <pgroth> Paul
15:41:07 <pgroth> as well raphael :-)
15:41:09 <raphael> ... identify the aspect of provenance thant concers various communities including Semantic Web
15:41:23 <raphael> Present+ Paul
15:41:42 <raphael> s/concers/concerns
15:42:19 <raphael> Yolanda: ultmately we will provide a state of the art on the topic ... and a roadmap that could recommend some standardisation effort
15:42:33 <raphael> .... wiki will be a good place to collaboratively contribute
15:42:39 <jmyers4> and present + Jim M?
15:42:50 <raphael> ... open forum so that everyone can comment
15:42:55 <raphael> Present+ JimM
15:43:02 <raphael> thanks all for your help :-)
15:43:09 <rreck> i would send some lessons learned from the social XG
15:43:13 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:43:35 <raphael> ???: Problem with the wiki ... is it write protected?
15:43:47 <pgroth> what's the url of the wiki?
15:43:51 <raphael> ... can you add all participants of this XG as wiki user?
15:44:10 <raphael> WIKI URL: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Main_Page
15:44:18 <rreck> q+
15:44:29 <raphael> q?
15:44:33 <rreck> zakim, unmute me
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15:44:44 <raphael> zakim, ack rreck
15:44:44 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:44:59 <rreck> zakim, mute me
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15:45:12 <raphael> Rreck: I want to give you my experience with the Social Web XG ... how to use the wiki for writing use cases
15:45:29 <rreck> i think i forwarded those to you
15:45:36 <rreck> i would be glad to post them
15:45:44 <raphael> Yolanda: which use cases from the SW XG would be interesting for this group?
15:46:06 <raphael> rreck, please, send anything to the PUBLIC mailing list and not privalety to the chair
15:46:11 <raphael> since this group operates in public
15:46:22 <rreck> right, i havent joined the group offcially
15:46:30 <rreck> and she asked me to do so
15:46:53 <rreck> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Tracking_Sources
15:46:59 <paolo> q+
15:47:04 <raphael> Yolanda: the charter is frozen
15:47:15 <rreck> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Shills_Posting_False_Information_to_Dilute_the_Truth
15:47:27 <raphael> could you please all state your name before talking ? I cannot yet match voices with names
15:47:38 <pgroth> that was pgroth
15:47:53 <pgroth> i should have used the speaker queue
15:47:57 <raphael> Paul: I suggest we liaise with other groups / other organizations
15:47:58 <Zakim> -pgroth
15:48:14 <raphael> Raphael: are you suggesting some particular groups and organisations ?
15:48:45 <raphael> q?
15:48:52 <Zakim> +??P1
15:49:02 <raphael> zakim, ??P1 is paul
15:49:02 <Zakim> +paul; got it
15:49:24 <rreck> maybe we can come up with a template for usecases?
15:49:28 <raphael> Yolanda: if you have a w3c account, you should be able to edit the wiki
15:50:09 <raphael> ... we need to structure it as well, have a part of use cases, use stories, etc.
15:50:26 <raphael> ... who is willing to organize a top level structure for the wiki ?
15:50:36 <raphael> ... I'm asking for a volunteer
15:50:46 <raphael> who has talked ?
15:50:55 <Zakim> + +1.619.524.aaii
15:50:58 <rreck> its seems that security to the wiki is group specific, therefore all w3c accounts will not automatically work
15:51:05 <smiles> Paul talked
15:51:10 <raphael> ???: I volunteer, didn't get your name
15:51:23 <raphael> s/???/Paul
15:51:47 <raphael> zakim, unmute me
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15:51:51 <raphael> q?
15:52:00 <paolo> Washington DC VoCamp in the Library of Congress, and we are discussing Provenance vocabularies
15:52:05 <raphael> zakim, ack Paolo
15:52:05 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:52:23 <rreck> i wish i had the stamina to have attended
15:52:55 <Deborah> great paolo - you might mention this group and the upcoming ipaw - june 15-16, and challenge june 17 at RPI
15:52:58 <raphael> zakim, mute me
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15:53:32 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:54:06 <paolo> Deborah is there a CFP for IPAW already?
15:54:10 <raphael> Topic: 4. Plan for the next meting
15:54:21 <Deborah> coming very soon
15:54:29 <paolo> ok thx
15:54:32 <raphael> Yolanda: I think we should start with some use cases
15:54:51 <rreck> i agree that setting milestones is a great idea
15:54:55 <Deborah> it will go up at http://tw.rpi.edu/portal/IPAW2010
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15:55:20 <raphael> ... we will spend time with more introduction with the ones who couldn't make it today, and then discuss high level goals for the group
15:55:23 <rreck> might i recommend a template for usecases?
15:55:32 <Deborah> +1 to template suggestion
15:55:41 <raphael> ... anyone wants to suggest other topics for discussion ?
15:55:53 <raphael> +1 for template for use cases
15:55:55 <pgroth> simon? template
15:55:56 <ian_oliver> q+
15:56:00 <rreck> i will take that action
15:56:17 <raphael> Yolanda: I would put a discussion item next week for such a template
15:56:27 <raphael> Simon: I will work on one?
15:56:32 <raphael> q?
15:56:53 <raphael> I would certainly help next week scribe, thanks Paolo
15:56:58 <raphael> Next scribe: Paolo
15:57:33 <pgroth> luc's survey
15:57:51 <raphael> zakim, unmute me
15:57:51 <Zakim> raphael should no longer be muted
15:58:04 <paolo> q+
15:58:23 <raphael> q?
15:58:30 <raphael> zakim, ack ian_oliver 
15:58:30 <Zakim> I see paolo on the speaker queue
15:58:41 <raphael> zakim, ack paolo 
15:58:41 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:58:54 <raphael> Luc's survey is indeed the right things to start with
15:59:07 <raphael> Paoo: what is the current timeline to have this survey available
15:59:11 <Irini> q+
15:59:17 <raphael> Luc: I hope to release the survey by next week
15:59:33 <raphael> zakim, ack Irini
15:59:33 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:59:52 <raphael> Irini: I can provide some links also, since we are preparing a survey as well on the topic
16:00:04 <raphael> Topic: 5. AOB
16:00:14 <raphael> I will email details on the mailing list for wiki access
16:00:20 <ian_oliver> Thank you all and good night
16:00:23 <raphael> Yolanda: anything elese ?
16:00:23 <rreck> bye
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16:01:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Jerry_Hobbs, pgroth, +30281139aaaa, +41.22.807.aabb, +1.860.995.aacc, raphael, +1.410.720.aadd, +1.937.775.aaee, yolanda, +0238059aaff, +67710aagg, +1.518.608.aahh,
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16:01:07 <raphael> [silence]
16:01:30 <raphael> meeting adjourned
16:01:35 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:01:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/30-prov-xg-minutes.html raphael
16:02:49 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:02:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/30-prov-xg-minutes.html raphael
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