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12:04:54 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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12:04:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
12:04:56 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
12:04:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
12:04:57 <trackbot> Date: 28 October 2009
12:06:30 <fhirsch> Regrets: Paddy_Byers, Kangchan_Lee, WonSuk_Lee
12:07:15 <fhirsch> action: paddy to review Policy Requirements editors draft, see http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy-reqs/
12:07:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-34 - Review Policy Requirements editors draft, see http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy-reqs/ [on Paddy Byers - due 2009-11-04].
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12:48:08 <fhirsch> fhirsch has changed the topic to: DAP Teleconference, code 3279 Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0231.html; please enter attendance with Present+ first_last , also please tell zakim who you are with akim, aaa is $irc_nicname
12:48:23 <fhirsch> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0231.html
12:49:47 <fhirsch> Chair: Robin Berjon, Frederick Hirsch
12:52:14 <arve> uh?
12:52:22 <arve> this is 14.00 paris time, no?
12:52:29 <arve> at least my three clocks say so
12:54:27 <arve> and it's still, again according to my world clock 08.54 in Boston
12:56:21 <ilkka> hmm? if the call start in 5 minutes it will be two hour earlier for me
12:56:40 <ilkka> ok
12:56:49 <arve> fhirsch: that was my point, darobin just announced to the mailing list that the call was starting now
13:01:23 <darobin> arve: yeah, take any TZ information I provide you with with the greatest level of doubt
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13:15:28 <darobin> well, for folks in Europe, usual time minus one (but not minus two!)
13:16:00 <darobin> mmmm, did my correction message not make it to the list?
13:16:55 <darobin> damn, not in archives even though sent 20 min ago
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13:19:22 <ilkka> darobin: I haven't received correction from you yet
13:21:37 <dom> zakim, this will be DAP
13:21:37 <Zakim> ok, dom; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 39 minutes
13:41:11 <arve> arve has joined #dap
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13:48:56 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
13:49:02 <Zakim> +marcos/arve
13:49:17 <Zakim> -marcos/arve
13:49:19 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
13:49:19 <Zakim> Attendees were marcos/arve
13:50:09 <arve> uh?
13:50:35 <maxf> :)
13:51:19 <arve> I did call in, but I didn't expect my hanging up would have that effect
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13:52:47 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
13:52:54 <Zakim> +??P15
13:53:18 <Zakim> +marengo
13:53:31 <marengo> Present+ Marco_Marengo
13:53:46 <fhirsch> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch, Robin_Berjon
13:53:54 <Zakim> + +0472369aaaa
13:53:54 <marengo> Zakim, mute me
13:53:55 <Zakim> marengo should now be muted
13:54:24 <Zakim> +Bryan_Sullivan
13:54:38 <maxf> zakim, aaaa is me
13:54:38 <Zakim> +maxf; got it
13:54:48 <maxf> fhirsch: you didn't hear me then. Hmm
13:55:19 <maxf> that mute button...
13:56:18 <maxf> Present+ Max_Froumentin
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13:57:02 <Zakim> +ilkka
13:57:38 <ilkka> Present+ Ilkka_Oksanen
13:57:54 <Zakim> + +1.604.685.aabb
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13:58:06 <Dzung_Tran> Present+ Dzung_Tran
13:58:27 <brianleroux> Present+ Brian_Leroux
13:58:46 <Zakim> +AnssiK
13:58:46 <Zakim> +marcos/arve
13:58:54 <arve> zakim, +marcos/arve is me
13:58:54 <Zakim> sorry, arve, I do not recognize a party named '+marcos/arve'
13:59:16 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
13:59:23 <brianleroux> Brian LeRoux is in the 604
13:59:30 <arve> Zakim, mute me
13:59:30 <Zakim> sorry, arve, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
13:59:48 <arve> zakim, who is here
13:59:48 <Zakim> arve, you need to end that query with '?'
13:59:51 <arve> zakim, who is here?
13:59:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see fhirsch, marengo (muted), maxf, Bryan_Sullivan (muted), ilkka, +1.604.685.aabb, AnssiK (muted), marcos/arve
13:59:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see Dzung_Tran, brianleroux, AnssiK, fhirsch, marengo, maxf, arve, Bryan, hendry, darobin, Zakim, RRSAgent, ilkka, arg, trackbot, dom
14:00:02 <brianleroux> Zakim, Brian_Leroux is brianleroux
14:00:02 <Zakim> sorry, brianleroux, I do not recognize a party named 'Brian_Leroux'
14:00:11 <Zakim> +Dom
14:00:12 <arve> zarkim, marcos/arve is arve
14:00:18 <arve> zakim, marcos/arve is arve
14:00:18 <Zakim> +arve; got it
14:00:25 <Zakim> +Dzung_Tran
14:00:25 <dom> Present+ Dominique_Hazael_Massieux
14:00:25 <fhirsch> zakim, aabb is brianleroux
14:00:27 <Zakim> +brianleroux; got it
14:00:27 <arve> zakim, mute me
14:00:28 <Zakim> arve should now be muted
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14:00:37 <dom> zakim, mute me
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14:00:40 <Zakim> Dom should now be muted
14:00:40 <fhirsch> me zakim, who is here?
14:00:47 <brianleroux> ah, ok --- thx fhirsch
14:00:49 <Zakim> + +33.1.42.02.aacc
14:01:17 <darobin> Present+ Robin_Berjon
14:01:22 <Zakim> +JereK
14:01:34 <JereK> Present+ Jere_Kapyaho
14:01:38 <Zakim> +Marcin
14:02:17 <Zakim> +richt
14:02:19 <marcin> Present+ Marcin_Hanclik
14:02:45 <darobin> arve, can you scribe?
14:02:47 <arve> Having tech problems here
14:02:58 <richt> richt has joined #dap
14:03:17 <darobin> brianleroux, can you scribe?
14:03:24 <arve> Zakim, unmute me
14:03:24 <Zakim> arve should no longer be muted
14:03:40 <brianleroux> hey sorry --- just back
14:03:44 <richt> Present+ Richard_Tibbett
14:05:06 <arve> zakim, mute me
14:05:06 <Zakim> arve should now be muted
14:05:06 <brianleroux> heh
14:05:28 <darobin> Scribe: Brian LeRoux
14:05:29 <dom> ScribeNick: brianleroux
14:07:08 <fhirsch> q-
14:07:50 <fhirsch> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/Main_Page
14:08:04 <fhirsch> tpac agenda 
14:08:05 <fhirsch> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_2-3_November_2009%2C_TPAC 
14:09:47 <brianleroux> Topic: Welcome, etc. TPAC f2f needs the mailing list to raise as much as possible
14:10:20 <arve> Zakim, unmute me
14:10:20 <Zakim> arve should no longer be muted
14:11:52 <arve> zakim, mute me
14:11:52 <Zakim> arve should now be muted
14:11:56 <brianleroux> Topic: minutes approval
14:12:08 <fhirsch> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/att-0203/minutes-2009-10-21.html
14:12:23 <brianleroux> Resolution: minutes from 21 oct approved
14:12:35 <brianleroux> Topic: Editorial Team Report
14:13:02 <fhirsch> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0225.html (Frederick) 
14:13:31 <fhirsch> policy requirements update
14:13:37 <fhirsch> contacts api update
14:13:39 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/355A518BC0575547B2A3D6773AAF8EEF598402@ftrdmel1 Update to contacts API from Richard
14:13:57 <fhirsch> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0230.html (Richard Tibbett)
14:14:00 <brianleroux> richard: discussing how contacts api going async
14:14:39 <arve> +1 for flexible
14:15:11 <maxf> richard: main issue is strict or flexible definition of attributes. Also error handling
14:15:14 <brianleroux> richard: mentioned that the attributes for contacts have three potential approaches that need resolving
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14:15:33 <brianleroux> maxf: no! thank you!!
14:16:18 <dom> ack me
14:16:49 <brianleroux> dom: will be discussing api overlap at the f2f
14:16:56 <maxf> q+
14:17:07 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-geolocation/2009Oct/0004.html Dom’s message to geolocation wg
14:17:36 <dom> q?
14:17:52 <maxf> yep, Mon/Tue
14:17:55 <fhirsch> ack maxf
14:18:03 <brianleroux> robin: will ensure they have the meetings in the hallways / nothing formal
14:18:28 <darobin> I confirm that they're meeting at the same time as us
14:18:46 <darobin> ACTION: Robin to make sure that there is some co-ordination between Geolocation and DAP over Compass
14:18:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-35 - Make sure that there is some co-ordination between Geolocation and DAP over Compass [on Robin Berjon - due 2009-11-04].
14:19:08 <maxf> maxf: I'm in Geolocation and will attend their meeting and will be conveying this group's ideas
14:19:15 <Dzung_Tran> q+
14:19:16 <fhirsch> q+
14:19:25 <fhirsch> ack Dzung_Tran
14:19:38 <fhirsch> q-
14:20:07 <dom> zakim, mute me
14:20:07 <Zakim> Dom should now be muted
14:20:21 <fhirsch> dzung notes he was going to take compass out of the draft, so that can be given to the geolocation group
14:21:01 <brianleroux> ACTION: Dzung_tran will remove compass from the draft for the geolocaiton group
14:21:01 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Dzung_tran
14:21:02 <fhirsch> action: dzung to take compass api out of system info api as a separate api document, to share with geolocation
14:21:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-36 - Take compass api out of system info api as a separate api document, to share with geolocation [on Dzung Tran - due 2009-11-04].
14:21:07 <darobin> ACTION: Dzung to split Compass out of SysInfo so that Geolocation can look at it, and adopt if they like it
14:21:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-37 - Split Compass out of SysInfo so that Geolocation can look at it, and adopt if they like it [on Dzung Tran - due 2009-11-04].
14:21:20 <fhirsch> action-36 closed
14:21:20 <trackbot> ACTION-36 Take compass api out of system info api as a separate api document, to share with geolocation closed
14:21:53 <dom> zakim, mute me
14:21:53 <Zakim> Dom was already muted, dom
14:22:10 <brianleroux> Topic:  Policy
14:23:28 <brianleroux> fhirsch: wants us to discuss a roadmap, review req's and security
14:23:52 <fhirsch> policy requirements draft
14:23:53 <fhirsch> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy-reqs/
14:24:47 <Zakim> -darobin
14:24:57 <Zakim> +nwidell
14:25:58 <brianleroux> fhirsch: pls review policy requirements (should be declarative, etc) 
14:26:00 <Zakim> +darobin
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14:27:07 <nwidell> Present +Niklas_Widell
14:27:25 <brianleroux> fhirsch: features vs capabilities and trust models, granularity of security, notification dialogues
14:28:27 <richt> q+
14:29:15 <brianleroux> fhirsch: wants feedback on the policy-reqs doc on the mailing list after review. aim for a editors draft at the f2f. 
14:29:40 <richt> q-
14:29:50 <Bryan> q+
14:30:43 <fhirsch> may decide on FPWD
14:30:44 <darobin> ack
14:30:50 <fhirsch> q?
14:30:54 <fhirsch> ack Bryan
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14:31:18 <fhirsch> seeking agreement of WG on editors draft content
14:31:35 <fhirsch> this first draft is to get us started, but does not represent consensus
14:31:39 <brianleroux> bryan: feels that we need to get a sense of consensus before publishing a working draft
14:31:59 <fhirsch> would like to get to state where draft does represent consensus, and changes are made based on consensus
14:32:23 <fhirsch> please review the policy requiements draft before the f2f, discuss on list, including issues noted and gaps
14:32:49 <fhirsch> we need to decide how to fulfill the roadmap deliverable of the charter, f2f discussion?
14:33:28 <fhirsch> I noted that API docs probably should have security considerations and privacy considerations
14:33:44 <richt> q+
14:33:50 <fhirsch> ack richt
14:34:10 <fhirsch> context api has place holder for this
14:34:14 <brianleroux> richt: has put a placeholder in Contacts related to security
14:34:20 <darobin> s/context/contacts/
14:34:35 <arve> q+
14:34:50 <fhirsch> ack arve
14:34:53 <brianleroux> richt: ppl need to be aware that each API requires different security requirements
14:35:02 <Zakim> -brianleroux
14:35:18 <Dzung_Tran> I agree
14:35:23 <darobin> arve: agreed, each API may be implemented separately
14:35:35 <darobin> ... so each needs its own security considerations
14:35:47 <dom> i/<darobin> arve:/ScribeNick: darobin/
14:35:53 <Zakim> +brianleroux
14:36:22 <brianleroux> yes
14:36:43 <dom> ACTION-31?
14:36:43 <trackbot> ACTION-31 -- stephen lewontin to share information on conditional permissions on list -- due 2009-10-28 -- OPEN
14:36:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/31
14:37:26 <brianleroux> Topic: APIs
14:38:15 <brianleroux> review progress on req docs and issues
14:39:18 <brianleroux> bryan: travelling through time, feels that the register protocol handler in html5 is specific to websites / not widgets / not related to the scope
14:40:09 <brianleroux> robin: handler can register itself for a protocal (which can be a web app)
14:42:12 <brianleroux> robin: do you mean something that does not have a url? bryan: essentially yes --- looking for an explanation have how we can use this feature in this context (the context of a widget on a device)
14:43:35 <brianleroux> bryan: conceptually addressed by html5 robin: needs more thinking to make it work for widgets
14:43:49 <arve> q+
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14:45:06 <brianleroux> robin: going to elaborate on the protocol handlers discussion as it relates to widgets
14:45:42 <brianleroux> essentially the URI is an internal representation to the widget only not able to register outside of its own context
14:46:35 <brianleroux> interesting thought that a widget could be addressable externally
14:47:21 <brianleroux> arve: content servers within widgets creates its own unique set of problems/opportunities
14:47:39 <arve> zakim, mute me
14:47:39 <Zakim> arve should now be muted
14:47:46 <brianleroux> Zakim, who is making noise
14:47:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise', brianleroux
14:47:55 <brianleroux> well then
14:48:16 <brianleroux> =)
14:48:55 <brianleroux> bryan: reviewing the gaps between DAP and BONDI
14:49:28 <brianleroux> robin: wonders if anyone has anything about Contacts and System info APIs?
14:49:41 <brianleroux> sorry,
14:49:55 <darobin> s/about Contacts and System info APIs/about other APIs than Contacts and System/
14:50:15 <Bryan> q+
14:50:30 <fhirsch> ack arve
14:50:35 <fhirsch> ack Bryan
14:50:55 <brianleroux> bryan: question about the Camera API --- feels recording from the microphone is vital
14:51:38 <brianleroux> robin: so if it can do pictures, video ... why not sound (it is an issue). makes it more of a capture api 
14:52:01 <brianleroux> robin: the issue regarding recording should be resolved at f2f
14:52:11 <brianleroux> (ftr brianleroux +1 to Capture API)
14:52:24 <AnssiK> sysinfo and events is fairly extensive, do we still want to modularize it?
14:52:39 <Dzung_Tran> I think it makes sense to separate into AV recording
14:52:51 <AnssiK> ok, sounds like a plan
14:53:13 <brianleroux> Topic: Other Business
14:53:27 <brianleroux> Meeting adjourned!
14:53:39 <Zakim> -Bryan_Sullivan
14:53:40 <Zakim> -Dom
14:53:42 <Zakim> -fhirsch
14:53:43 <Zakim> -JereK
14:53:43 <Zakim> -AnssiK
14:53:44 <Zakim> -nwidell
14:53:44 <Zakim> -arve
14:53:45 <Zakim> -Dzung_Tran
14:53:46 <Zakim> -Marcin
14:53:48 <Zakim> -ilkka
14:53:49 <Zakim> -brianleroux
14:53:52 <Zakim> -richt
14:53:54 <Zakim> -marengo
14:53:56 <Zakim> -darobin
14:53:58 <Zakim> -maxf
14:54:00 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
14:54:00 <brianleroux> hey thanks for putting up w/ me!
14:54:02 <Zakim> Attendees were fhirsch, marengo, +0472369aaaa, Bryan_Sullivan, maxf, ilkka, +1.604.685.aabb, AnssiK, Dom, arve, Dzung_Tran, brianleroux, +33.1.42.02.aacc, darobin, JereK, Marcin,
14:54:05 <Zakim> ... richt, nwidell
14:54:27 <dom> Zakim, bye
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14:54:38 <darobin> RRSAgent, stop logging
14:54:38 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop logging', darobin.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:54:39 <fhirsch> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:54:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-dap-minutes.html fhirsch
14:54:43 <darobin> RRSAgent, stop