IRC log of core on 2009-10-28

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-core-irc
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zakim, this will be I18N
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ok, aphillip; I see I18N_CoreWG()3:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2009Oct/0017.html
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Meeting: Internationalization Core Teleconference
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Chair: Addison Phillips
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Scribe: Addison Phillips
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ScribeNick: aphillip
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RRSagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-core-minutes.html aphillip
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I18N_CoreWG()3:00PM has now started
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+aphillip
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zakim, dial richard please
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ok, r12a; the call is being made
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+Richard
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+??P9
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+[Oracle]
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Topic: Agenda?
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discussion of language declarations in html5
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brief discussion of texting and encodings in india
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Topic: Action Items
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Richard: respond on our behalf to CSS on ruby issue
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addison: set up document edit transition with dan for ws-i18n
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+yngve
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zakim, +yngve is David
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sorry, r12a, I do not recognize a party named '+yngve'
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zakim, yngve is David
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+David; got it
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all: review HTML5 (rolling action item to be reviewed weekly)
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addison: make a table of date changes for DST
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all: review UAX#46 draft for review in two weeks
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all: deal with DOM events requests in 10-21 minutes
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Topic: Info Share
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tpac... do we need dialin?
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david: no
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felix?
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david: saw a presentation on ...
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... on Google Wave
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... has interesting things in it, like online sim-translation
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... and it's "in HTML5 on current browsers"
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http://www.alistapart.com/articles/get-ready-for-html-5/
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http://html5gallery.com/
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http://www.w3.org/2009/09/html5-ig-jp-charter.html
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richard: japanese IG for HTML5 being set up
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... see link above
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s/http://www.w3.org/2009/09/html5-ig-jp-charter.html//
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s/... see link above//
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Topic: discussion of language declarations in html5
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2009OctDec/0020.html
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2009OctDec/
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Oct/0905.html
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richard: looked into it
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... 1. hixie has changed meaning of <meta> definition
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... so no longer equates to http
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addison: which we objected to in past
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richard: and if multiple values in HTTP then equivalent to empty xml:lang
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... despairing a little
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... because it is hard to get folks to use language declarations
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... and its very complicated
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... XHTML and XML and HTML4 etc.
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... and then in HTML5 things would be slightly different again
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... so want to propose
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... equate http and <meta>
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... explain clearly for declaring language(s) of doc as whole
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... and should define defualt processing lang using 'lang'
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... and if lang is missing on <html> element and if defined in HTTP or <meta>
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... use to guess if contains a single value
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... if multiple values, then equate to empty string
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addison: i agree with this
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... think hixie's text is okay for assigning <html>
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... but not forbidding multi values in <meta>
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ACTION: richard: send a response on behalf of I18N about language tagging in html5 supporting proposal of keeping meta as-is
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Topic: TPAC Planning
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This is the main item. Topics include: - IRI coordination - Meeting with HTML5 - Meeting with ECMAScript - Document editing?
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ACTION: addison: write to paulc to arrange a joint session with html
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webfonts, webapps, css, qt?
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ACTION: addison: ping webfonts, webapps, css, and qt to ping for interest in joint sessioning
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ACTION: addison: invite ECMAScript folks to visit with us
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Topic: brief discussion of texting and encodings in india
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richard: contacted by w3c india office manager
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... he says...
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> > there is a debate in India about the SMS text encoding .Some
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> Group in
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> > India proposes for 7 bit encoding standard based on National
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> Language> Table using Shift and Lock-Shift mechanism as per 3GPP
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> standard. This
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> > was proposed for transmitting SMS of almost same size as in
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> GSM 7 bit
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> > standard However from the present literature we found that the
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> default> text encoding format for messaging systems for Mobile
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> Applications in
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> > UTF-8 for the next generation Mobile Standards like 3GPP2, 4G and
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> > standard proposed by OMA (open mobile allience).
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> > As national level body we propose that the default text encoding
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> > format needs to be UTF-8 as this is based on UNICODE and has
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> > interoperability with W3C standards, and IETF standards for internet
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> > data excahnge. This will ensure interoperability across
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> platform ,
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> > devices and data exchange formats.
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> > We shall be grateful if you please indicate t
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the W3C position
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> and views
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addison: propose that as our wg position, although we understand the issues involved?
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richard: will send a response and copy winter
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http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/WorkingWithTimeZones#Negotiating_Time_Zone_with_the_User
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-core-minutes.html aphillip
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richard: also had some discussions with cindy about her personal names preso at IUC33
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... she had more information that was useful
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... possibility of collaborating
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... info about personal names into CLDR??
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Topic: AOB?
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-David
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-aphillip
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-Felix
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-dchiba
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-Richard
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I18N_CoreWG()3:00PM has ended
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Attendees were aphillip, Richard, Felix, [Oracle], dchiba, David
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rrsagent, make minuts
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minuts', aphillip. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-core-minutes.html aphillip
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