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18:55:22 <aphillip> zakim, this will be I18N
18:55:22 <Zakim> ok, aphillip; I see I18N_CoreWG()3:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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18:55:58 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2009Oct/0017.html
18:56:05 <aphillip> Meeting: Internationalization Core Teleconference
18:56:10 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
18:56:15 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
18:56:18 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
18:56:27 <aphillip> RRSagent, make minutes
18:56:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-core-minutes.html aphillip
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19:01:54 <Zakim> +aphillip
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19:02:33 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
19:02:33 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
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19:05:29 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda?
19:05:43 <aphillip> discussion of language declarations in html5
19:06:02 <aphillip> brief discussion of texting and encodings in india
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19:06:21 <aphillip> Topic:  Action Items
19:06:33 <aphillip> Richard: respond on our behalf to CSS on ruby issue 
19:07:08 <aphillip> addison: set up document edit transition with dan for ws-i18n 
19:08:07 <Zakim> +yngve
19:08:36 <r12a> zakim, +yngve is David
19:08:36 <Zakim> sorry, r12a, I do not recognize a party named '+yngve'
19:08:41 <r12a> zakim, yngve is David
19:08:41 <Zakim> +David; got it
19:08:48 <aphillip> all: review HTML5 (rolling action item to be reviewed weekly) 
19:08:58 <aphillip> addison: make a table of date changes for DST 
19:09:56 <aphillip> all: review UAX#46 draft for review in two weeks 
19:10:13 <aphillip> all: deal with DOM events requests in 10-21 minutes 
19:10:42 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
19:10:59 <aphillip> tpac... do we need dialin?
19:11:08 <aphillip> david: no
19:11:22 <aphillip> felix?
19:13:08 <aphillip> david: saw a presentation on ... 
19:13:27 <aphillip> ... on Google Wave
19:13:47 <aphillip> ... has interesting things in it, like online sim-translation
19:14:07 <aphillip> ... and it's "in HTML5 on current browsers"
19:15:09 <r12a> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/get-ready-for-html-5/
19:15:43 <r12a> http://html5gallery.com/
19:16:52 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/2009/09/html5-ig-jp-charter.html
19:16:56 <aphillip> richard: japanese IG for HTML5 being set up
19:17:06 <aphillip> ... see link above
19:17:22 <r12a> s/http://www.w3.org/2009/09/html5-ig-jp-charter.html//
19:17:32 <aphillip> s/... see link above//
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19:18:49 <aphillip> Topic: discussion of language declarations in html5
19:20:19 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2009OctDec/0020.html
19:20:30 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2009OctDec/
19:21:13 <r12a> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Oct/0905.html
19:21:33 <aphillip> richard: looked into it
19:21:45 <aphillip> ... 1. hixie has changed meaning of <meta> definition
19:21:54 <aphillip> ... so no longer equates to http 
19:22:04 <aphillip> addison: which we objected to in past
19:22:25 <aphillip> richard: and if multiple values in HTTP then equivalent to empty xml:lang
19:22:52 <aphillip> ... despairing a little
19:23:04 <aphillip> ... because it is hard to get folks to use language declarations
19:23:09 <aphillip> ... and its very complicated
19:23:19 <aphillip> ... XHTML and XML and HTML4 etc.
19:23:30 <aphillip> ... and then in HTML5 things would be slightly different again
19:23:39 <aphillip> ... so want to propose
19:23:54 <aphillip> ... equate http and <meta> 
19:24:08 <aphillip> ... explain clearly for declaring language(s) of doc as whole
19:24:21 <aphillip> ... and should define defualt processing lang using 'lang'
19:24:40 <aphillip> ... and if lang is missing on <html> element and if defined in HTTP or <meta>
19:24:48 <aphillip> ... use to guess if contains a single value
19:25:02 <aphillip> ... if multiple values, then equate to empty string
19:26:14 <aphillip> addison: i agree with this
19:26:30 <aphillip> ... think hixie's text is okay for assigning <html>
19:26:39 <aphillip> ... but not forbidding multi values in <meta>
19:28:08 <aphillip> ACTION: richard: send a response on behalf of I18N about language tagging in html5 supporting proposal of keeping meta as-is
19:29:09 <aphillip> Topic: TPAC Planning
19:29:23 <aphillip>    This is the main item. Topics include:    - IRI coordination    - Meeting with HTML5    - Meeting with ECMAScript    - Document editing?
19:30:32 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: write to paulc to arrange a joint session with html
19:31:14 <aphillip> webfonts, webapps, css, qt?
19:31:44 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: ping webfonts, webapps, css, and qt to ping for interest in joint sessioning
19:32:41 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: invite ECMAScript folks to visit with us
19:34:14 <aphillip> Topic: brief discussion of texting and encodings in india
19:34:49 <aphillip> richard: contacted by w3c india office manager
19:35:02 <aphillip> ... he says...
19:35:25 <r12a> > > there is a debate in India about the SMS text encoding .Some 
19:35:25 <r12a> > Group in
19:35:25 <r12a> > > India proposes for 7 bit encoding standard based on National 
19:35:26 <r12a> > Language> Table using Shift and Lock-Shift mechanism as per 3GPP 
19:35:26 <r12a> > standard. This
19:35:26 <r12a> > > was proposed for transmitting SMS of almost same size as in 
19:35:28 <r12a> > GSM 7 bit
19:35:30 <r12a> > > standard However from the present literature we found that the 
19:35:33 <r12a> > default> text encoding format for messaging systems for Mobile 
19:35:35 <r12a> > Applications in
19:35:37 <r12a> > > UTF-8 for the next generation Mobile Standards like 3GPP2, 4G and
19:35:39 <r12a> > > standard proposed by OMA (open mobile allience).
19:35:40 <r12a> > > As national level body we propose that the default text encoding
19:35:43 <r12a> > > format needs to be UTF-8 as this is based on UNICODE and has
19:35:45 <r12a> > > interoperability with W3C standards, and IETF standards for internet
19:35:47 <r12a> > > data excahnge. This will ensure interoperability across 
19:35:49 <r12a> > platform ,
19:35:50 <r12a> > > devices and data exchange formats.
19:35:52 <r12a> > > We shall be grateful if you please indicate t
19:36:32 <r12a> the W3C position 
19:36:32 <r12a> > and views
19:40:12 <aphillip> addison: propose that as our wg position, although we understand the issues involved?
19:40:19 <aphillip> richard: will send a response and copy winter
19:41:47 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/WorkingWithTimeZones#Negotiating_Time_Zone_with_the_User
19:43:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-core-minutes.html aphillip
19:43:33 <aphillip> richard: also had some discussions with cindy about her personal names preso at IUC33
19:43:57 <aphillip> ... she had more information that was useful
19:44:03 <aphillip> ... possibility of collaborating
19:44:45 <aphillip> ... info about personal names into CLDR??
19:52:57 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
19:53:11 <Zakim> -David
19:53:12 <Zakim> -aphillip
19:53:13 <Zakim> -Felix
19:53:14 <Zakim> -dchiba
19:53:16 <Zakim> -Richard
19:53:17 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()3:00PM has ended
19:53:18 <Zakim> Attendees were aphillip, Richard, Felix, [Oracle], dchiba, David
19:53:19 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minuts
19:53:19 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minuts', aphillip.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
19:53:23 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
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