13:01:23 RRSAgent has joined #wam 13:01:23 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-wam-irc 13:01:33 +JereK 13:01:39 ScribeNick: ArtB 13:01:42 Scribe: Art 13:01:45 Chair: Art 13:01:57 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009OctDec/0283.html 13:02:04 Regrets: Marcos, Arve, David 13:02:38 Present: Art, Frederick, Jere 13:02:43 +bryan 13:02:50 Present+ Bryan 13:03:16 marcin has joined #wam 13:03:55 + +46.1.07.15.aabb 13:04:02 Present+ Marcin_Hanclik 13:04:13 Present+ Magnus 13:04:42 + +33.2.08.82.90.aacc 13:04:43 Present+ Marcin 13:04:53 Zakim, aacc is Marcin 13:04:53 +Marcin; got it 13:05:12 Topic: Review and tweak agenda 13:05:19 AB: I posted the draft agenda on October 21 ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009OctDec/0283.html ). Since Marcos sent regrets for today we will drop the Widget interface spec agenda item. 13:05:47 AB: any other agenda change requests? 13:06:18 FH: I think we should talk about DAP + WebApps meeting during TPAC 13:06:28 AB: ok, during AOB 13:06:38 JK: we could talk about Web Notifications 13:06:45 ... but may want to wait for more people 13:06:55 FH: yes, think we should wait 13:07:02 AB: I agree 13:07:22 AB: if there is no closure by next week, it will be on the Oct 29 agenda 13:07:49 Topic: Announcements 13:07:56 AB: I have 4 short announcements/reminders: 13:08:03 AB: 1. draft agendas for the November 2-3 TPAC f2f meeting have been updated: Widgets group ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/TPAC2009Widgets ) and APIs group ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/TPAC2009APIs ). Fleshing-out the TPAC widgets agenda will be an agenda item for our October 29 call. 13:08:29 + +1.919.536.aadd 13:08:44 Present+ AndyB 13:08:52 AB: 2. the TPAC registration deadline is Oct 23 ( http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/Overview.html ) 13:08:59 AB: 3. TPAC Public Developer Gathering Nov 5 ( http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/DevMeeting ). Please spread the word. 13:09:18 AB: 4. Our Oct 29 call will be the same time for everyone except US. The time for US will be one hour later. Thereafter, the times will be the same as today. No call of course during the TPAC week. 13:09:46 AB: any other annoucements? 13:09:50 [ None ] 13:10:15 Topic: P&C spec: Potential bug in Rule for Identifying the Media Type of a File 13:10:28 AB: the remaining open bug for P+C spec is documented in the "Potential bug in Rule for Identifying the Media Type of a File" thread ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009OctDec/0183.html ). 13:10:42 AB: earlier today Marcos responded to Marcin's latest proposal ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009OctDec/0293.html ). I think this now closes this bug. Any comments? 13:10:59 MH: I looked at MC's comments 13:11:09 ... I disagree with some proposals 13:11:20 ... I did some tests 13:11:39 ... I also disagree with limitation of file extension to 2 ranges 13:11:51 ... proposed ranges are only for ASCII letters 13:11:55 ... do not cover digits 13:12:11 ... but there are some extension e.g. pk12 with digits 13:12:30 ... think we need to consult i18n group 13:12:46 ... not sure they will agree with ASCII only extensions 13:12:55 ... I will submit a reply to Marcos 13:13:18 ... One issue of confusion is OS support versus shell support 13:13:23 q+ 13:13:25 s/issue of/source of/ 13:13:47 ACTION: marcin respond to Marcos' Oct 22 email re BNF 13:13:47 Created ACTION-420 - Respond to Marcos' Oct 22 email re BNF [on Marcin Hanclik - due 2009-10-29]. 13:14:08 BS: is this about naming of files that are part of the package? 13:14:11 MH: yes 13:14:20 BS: I agree there should be constraints 13:14:30 s/should be/should not be/ 13:14:41 AB: any other comments on this? 13:15:08 AB: given we don't consensus on this, we will not be able to publish a new LC until after the TPAC meeting 13:15:20 AB: any last comments? 13:15:53 AB: given this is still an open issue, we will not discuss LC publication today 13:16:09 Topic: AOB 13:16:15 AB: next call will October 29. One topic for that call will fleshing out the agenda for the Nov 2-3 f2f meeting. It could be that we have very little to discuss in Santa Clara which means people could then attend other f2f meetings e.g. WebApps' APIs meeting, DAP WG, etc. 13:17:08 AB: Frederick DAP and WebApps? 13:17:10 q- 13:17:50 FH: WebApps will have 2 meetings? 13:17:53 AB: yes 13:18:09 ... Chaals will chair APIs group 13:18:17 ... Art will chair Widgets group 13:19:13 AB: File API is a topic for DAP + WebApps 13:20:19 FH: do we need a DAP + Widgets joint session 13:21:07 AB: I don't think there is a need yet 13:21:10 MoZ has joined #wam 13:21:50 q+ 13:21:57 q+ 13:22:14 BS: I think it would make sense to have a short joint session 13:22:24 +1 to having joint DAP - Widgets session 13:22:24 ... to discuss any possible overlap 13:22:41 AB: do you mean API or Widget group? 13:22:55 BS: I think DAP + Widgets group joint meeting makes sense 13:23:22 q- 13:23:33 BS: I am interested in status of the HTML5 specs that moved to WebApps 13:24:14 AB: I only want to organize a joint meeting if there are specific agenda topics 13:24:48 FH: I want to take advantage of the co-location 13:25:00 AB: yes, sure 13:25:25 BS: think there is overlap between widget API and what is being done in DAP 13:25:34 + +33.6.80.28.aaee 13:25:47 AB: can you take an action to identify the overlap? 13:26:07 ACTION: bryan review Widget API and DAP APIs for overlaps 13:26:07 Created ACTION-421 - Review Widget API and DAP APIs for overlaps [on Bryan Sullivan - due 2009-10-29]. 13:26:29 MH:think there is overlaps between widgets and HTML5 13:26:32 q+ 13:26:48 ... want to adapt HTML5 interfaces if possible 13:27:02 MH: Robin is the WARP editor 13:27:11 ... I am Editor of VM specs 13:27:35 ... want to use the meetings to meet each other 13:27:46 q- 13:28:06 +1 to marcin, we need to have a joint meeting to raise issues, establish relationships etc 13:28:18 AB: does the DAP WG already have a packed agenda for those two days? 13:28:28 FH: we certainly have lots of info 13:28:45 ... but think joint meetings should be high priority 13:29:14 ACTION: Frederick Robin to make a proposal to WebApps chairs regaring joint meetings Nov 2-3 13:29:14 Created ACTION-422 - Robin to make a proposal to WebApps chairs regaring joint meetings Nov 2-3 [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2009-10-29]. 13:29:32 drinking beer during the joint meeting may be the best option :), since the actual resolutions will anyway have to be taken off-line/over email/ on the call after the F2F 13:30:30 AB: I do not forsee a problem with WebApps' widgets group meeting with DAP 13:31:00 BS: I don't have visibility to WebApps HTML5 specs 13:31:14 ... I want to understand how that stuff relates to DAP 13:32:13 AB: I'm hearing Bryan requesting DAP meet with WebApp' APIs groups re WebApp's HTML5 specs 13:32:55 ACTION: barstow work with Robin, FH, and Chaals to get DAP and WebApps' APIs group to meet f2f 13:32:55 Created ACTION-423 - Work with Robin, FH, and Chaals to get DAP and WebApps' APIs group to meet f2f [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-10-29]. 13:33:43 ACTION: Robin work with FH, and Chaals to get DAP and WebApps' APIs group to meet f2f 13:33:43 Created ACTION-424 - Work with FH, and Chaals to get DAP and WebApps' APIs group to meet f2f [on Robin Berjon - due 2009-10-29]. 13:34:02 BS: server-sent events is a topic of interest for me 13:34:13 ... think there is some potential synergy with OMA specs 13:34:59 ACTION: bryan submit agenda item requests re WebApps APIs for the TPAC meeting 13:34:59 Created ACTION-425 - Submit agenda item requests re WebApps APIs for the TPAC meeting [on Bryan Sullivan - due 2009-10-29]. 13:35:00 Chaals has already indicated that WebAPI and DAP should meet re the various FIle APIs - see tentative WebAPI agenda for TPAC: http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/TPAC2009APIs#Agenda_Items 13:36:10 q+ 13:36:32 FH: hard to juggle these agendas 13:36:38 AB: agree 13:36:53 AB: anything else on this subject? 13:37:17 AB: I thought you guys already had an agenda but I see now I'm wrong about that 13:37:43 q- 13:38:46 FH: DAP will have about 4 major slots 13:38:51 ... some will be for APIs 13:38:56 ... some will be for policy 13:39:04 ... some will be for joint meetings 13:39:18 4 slots per day 13:39:30 q- 13:40:37 AB: anything else for today? 13:40:50 AB: next call is Oct 29 13:40:54 AB: meeting adjourned 13:41:01 - +1.919.536.aadd 13:41:02 -ArtB 13:41:02 -bryan 13:41:04 -fhirsch3 13:41:05 - +46.1.07.15.aabb 13:41:05 - +33.6.80.28.aaee 13:41:07 -Marcin 13:41:11 RRSAgent, make log Public 13:41:28 RRSAgent, make minutes 13:41:28 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-wam-minutes.html ArtB 13:41:55 -JereK 13:41:56 IA_WebApps(Widgets)9:00AM has ended 13:41:57 Attendees were fhirsch3, +1.781.993.aaaa, ArtB, JereK, bryan, +46.1.07.15.aabb, +33.2.08.82.90.aacc, Marcin, +1.919.536.aadd, +33.6.80.28.aaee 13:44:10 Meeting: Widgets Voice Conference 13:44:16 Date: 22 October 2009 13:44:20 RRSAgent, make minutes 13:44:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-wam-minutes.html ArtB 13:56:58 RRSAgent, bye 13:56:58 I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-wam-actions.rdf : 13:56:58 ACTION: marcin respond to Marcos' Oct 22 email re BNF [1] 13:56:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-wam-irc#T13-13-47 13:56:58 ACTION: bryan review Widget API and DAP APIs for overlaps [2] 13:56:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-wam-irc#T13-26-07 13:56:58 ACTION: Frederick Robin to make a proposal to WebApps chairs regaring joint meetings Nov 2-3 [3] 13:56:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-wam-irc#T13-29-14 13:56:58 ACTION: barstow work with Robin, FH, and Chaals to get DAP and WebApps' APIs group to meet f2f [4] 13:56:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-wam-irc#T13-32-55 13:56:58 ACTION: Robin work with FH, and Chaals to get DAP and WebApps' APIs group to meet f2f [5] 13:56:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-wam-irc#T13-33-43 13:56:58 ACTION: bryan submit agenda item requests re WebApps APIs for the TPAC meeting [6] 13:56:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-wam-irc#T13-34-59