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06:32:25 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
06:32:25 <trackbot> Date: 21 October 2009
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06:35:38 <ed> Zakim, ??P0 is me
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06:42:01 <anthony> Zakim, ??P2 is me
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06:48:43 <shepazu> scribenick: shepazu 
06:48:49 <shepazu> chair: ed 
06:48:53 <ed> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009OctDec/0016.html
06:50:44 <shepazu> Topic: telcon times
06:51:27 <shepazu> shepazu: since we don't have heycam around for a while, and DST is nearly here, we should pick a new time that is better for the europeans
06:52:24 <shepazu> anthony: I'm fine with that, but would rather not do anything past midnight or before 5:30am
06:54:43 <shepazu> Action: shepazu to send email about telcon time change, with link to planner
06:54:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2684 - Send email about telcon time change, with link to planner [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-10-28].
06:54:45 <shepazu> http://mcc.id.au/2007/03/telcon/
06:58:02 <ed> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=11&day=30&year=2009&p1=239&p2=240&p3=188&p4=-1
07:00:11 <shepazu> shepazu: 2 meetings, or 1?
07:00:38 <shepazu> ed: I'd like to have a focused working time, not necessarily a telcon... helps me get stuff done
07:00:43 <shepazu> anthony: same here
07:00:55 <shepazu> shepazu: me to
07:01:01 <shepazu> s/to/too
07:01:15 <shepazu> Topic: short descriptions for SVG specifications
07:01:46 <shepazu> ed: Chris' descriptions seem fine to me... anything else needs doing?
07:02:10 <shepazu> shepazu: I don't think so for right now.... going forward, we should tailor our abstracts for this view
07:02:41 <shepazu> ... have short one-sentence summary at the very beginning
07:03:26 <shepazu> anthony: right... we don't normally but much up there
07:03:42 <shepazu> shepazu: maybe something shorter and a bit less technical
07:04:43 <shepazu> Topic: Java bindings appendix
07:04:54 <shepazu> ed: saw cameron's work there
07:05:21 <shepazu> ... I think what needs doing now is for someone to take this over, so we can publish soon
07:05:34 <shepazu> ... we need to check that it matches what's in 1.1 already
07:06:16 <shepazu> shepazu: I'm not very good at java
07:06:24 <shepazu> ed: I'm not much better
07:06:34 <shepazu> anthony: me either
07:06:56 <shepazu> ed: I could give it a shot
07:07:33 <shepazu> ... I could hack on the scripts
07:08:05 <shepazu> shepazu: you're pretty busy, though... is this the best use of your time?
07:08:11 <shepazu> ... who did it before?
07:08:32 <shepazu> ed: no idea... but heycam did most of the work already
07:09:03 <shepazu> ... wouldn't be able to get to it earlier than next week
07:09:29 <shepazu> anthony: when does it need to be done?
07:10:05 <shepazu> ed: well, it's a publication blocker
07:10:11 <shepazu> shepazu: could Vincent Hardy help us out?
07:10:19 <shepazu> ed: I could ask him
07:10:59 <shepazu> Topic: test suite scripts
07:11:07 <shepazu> anthony: I've checked these in
07:11:51 <shepazu> ... sent an email out
07:12:06 <shepazu> ... will work on that this week
07:12:48 <anthony> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009OctDec/0012.html
07:13:21 <shepazu> anthony: I also recommitted Batik to the tools area as binary, rather than ascii
07:13:36 <shepazu> ... hope it works for everyone now
07:14:39 <shepazu> ... also added a new version of the test harness which uses svgweb for IE
07:15:57 <shepazu> Action: ed to work on java bindings scripts
07:15:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2685 - Work on java bindings scripts [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-10-28].
07:16:53 <shepazu> Topic: canned filter effects
07:17:09 <shepazu> shepazu: antoine was asking about these
07:17:19 <shepazu> ... blur, dropshadow, etc.
07:17:48 <shepazu> ... I thought we were going to do this in Filters module, but I don't see it
07:18:25 <shepazu> ed: at the moment, there's only feDropShadow
07:18:51 <shepazu> ... I've been thinking that it would be easier as CSS properties
07:19:22 <shepazu> ... depending on how much control we want to give people, it could be easy or simple... want to keep it simple
07:20:05 <shepazu> ... though doing element notation would be good too
07:20:08 <shepazu> ... doing shorthand notation in CSS would be very similar to what IE does
07:20:31 <shepazu> shepazu: we can define the filters in terms of their element structure, but give CSS shorthands for those
07:20:53 <shepazu> ed: yup, that's possible
07:22:15 <shepazu> ... I told Antoine that we are still collecting requirements, and that he should email the list
07:22:41 <shepazu> ... I want to have nice examples in the primer
07:22:54 <shepazu> ... it might be too early to have language in the spec
07:23:00 <shepazu> shepazu: I'm not sure of that
07:23:31 <shepazu> ed: question is what things are suitable for having as shorthands
07:25:11 <shepazu> shepazu: having functional notation with x, y, and fuzziness would suffice for dropshaow
07:25:50 <shepazu> ed: we should use similar syntax as as text-shadow, which allows you to do color and stacking as well
07:27:41 <shepazu> shepazu: so, what would be useful... dropshadow, blur, and maybe some color effects...
07:28:01 <shepazu> ... sepia-tone, grayscale, etc., for photos
07:28:42 <shepazu> ... just throw them in there, and let people give feedback on what they want
07:29:00 <shepazu> ed: just a matter of finding the time
07:29:10 <shepazu> ... I enjoy experimenting with filters
07:33:45 <shepazu> Topic: publishing SVG 1.1 SE
07:34:15 <shepazu> shepazu: maybe we could meet next week one day to finish it off?
07:34:26 <shepazu> ... what's left?
07:34:35 <shepazu> ed: Java bindings...
07:34:41 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009OctDec/0005.html
07:34:42 <shepazu> ... heycam summarized it
07:36:13 <shepazu> anthony: I'm happy to do a marathon
07:38:59 <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
07:38:59 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
07:38:59 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Doug_Schepers, ed, anthony
07:39:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
07:39:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-svg-minutes.html trackbot
07:39:01 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
07:39:01 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-svg-actions.rdf :
07:39:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shepazu to send email about telcon time change, with link to planner [1]
07:39:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-svg-irc#T06-54-43
07:39:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ed to work on java bindings scripts [2]
07:39:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-svg-irc#T07-15-57