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11:57:59 <rigo> rrsagent, please set log public
11:58:07 <rigo> zakim, this will be pling
11:58:07 <Zakim> ok, rigo; I see P3P_PLING()8:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
11:59:11 <renato> hi rigo
11:59:19 <rigo> hi Renato
11:59:24 <rigo> I will take minutes
11:59:32 <renato> ok!
11:59:33 <rigo> scribe: Rigo
11:59:39 <rigo> scribenick: Rigo
11:59:48 <rigo> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/Policy/pling/wiki/2009-10-14
12:00:48 <renato> Doh....my phonecard account has expired!
12:01:00 <renato> looking for another one...
12:01:37 <rigo> ok, I'll be there and wait for you
12:01:56 <rigo> zakim, code?
12:01:56 <Zakim> the conference code is 75464 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), rigo
12:02:30 <Zakim> P3P_PLING()8:00AM has now started
12:02:37 <Zakim> +Rigo
12:04:51 <Zakim> + +1.617.588.aaaa - is perhaps anthony
12:05:15 <rigo> zakim, aaaa is Renato
12:05:15 <Zakim> sorry, rigo, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
12:05:53 <rigo> zakim, aaaa is Renato
12:05:53 <Zakim> sorry, rigo, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
12:10:06 <renato> actions from last meeting: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pling/2009Sep/0003.html
12:11:07 <rigo> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-mediaont-10-20090618/
12:11:46 <rigo> ma:copyright
12:12:08 <rigo> The copyright statement. Identification of the copyrights holder (DRM is out of scope for MAWG)
12:12:12 <mib_h8ej0l> mib_h8ej0l has joined #pling
12:12:41 <rigo> ma:locator
12:13:09 <rigo> ma:policy A URI with a policy statement applying to the file
12:13:58 <rigo> RI: more?
12:14:21 <rigo> RW: that's all we require, application may understand or not the policy language behind the link
12:14:46 <rigo> RW: that may also be a way to link to creative commons or ODRL statements
12:16:13 <rigo> Action: Renato to send suggested wording to PLING mailing-list and wait for comments and objections for 4 days, if nothing received send to media annotations WG
12:16:43 <rigo> ACTION: rigo to send paragraph about policy binding to Ashok --PENDING
12:17:48 <rigo> RI: Best Practices for Privacy Awareness document was initiated: http://www.w3.org/Policy/pling/wiki/PLINGNOTEBestPracticesForPrivacyAwareness
12:18:22 <rigo> ACTION: Add Best Practices for Privacy Awareness NOTE to standing  Agenda --DONE
12:19:04 <rigo> ACTION: Ascertain any requirements from HTML5 WG on Licensing --DONE
12:19:22 <rigo> RW: was overtaken by PSIG considering terms for licensing
12:20:05 <rigo> RI: Note, no comments or contributions yet
12:20:20 <rigo> RW: obtrusive should be inobtrusive
12:20:35 <rigo> RI: how to get a simple policy language going?
12:20:41 <rigo> ...are we still far away?
12:21:08 <rigo> RW: seeing rather special things going on
12:21:31 <rigo> RI: a very simple vocab to express simple rights and access permissions for web content
12:21:57 <rigo> ...a cut down version of ODRL, with CC and privacy and permissions, access control
12:22:38 <rigo> RW: task from ISPRA workshop was to find out how to use many policy languages together
12:22:45 <rigo> ... we are still far away
12:23:05 <rigo> ...what I see in PrimeLife is rather more development in the special language area
12:23:19 <rigo> ...seems the opposite is trendy
12:23:27 <rigo> RI: more specialized languages
12:23:35 <rigo> RW: we'll see with the workshop
12:24:46 <rigo> RW: we have consider policy and privacy as a horizontal activity like I18N
12:25:29 <rigo> ...once we get some idea about convergence, we may come back to a tiny subset microformat (RDF/a or other)
12:25:48 <rigo> ...binding is the more pressing problem
12:25:50 <rigo> RI: ok
12:29:03 <rigo> RW: on PrimeLife please promote http://www.w3.org/2009/policy-ws/cfp.html
12:29:17 <rigo> RI: need to get a bit more dynamics into PLING
12:30:05 <rigo> RW: one way is to have more on PLING Note
12:31:43 <rigo> RW: news on Social Web XG
12:32:01 <rigo> RI: moved telco to 2am for me, nothing on privacy for the moment
12:32:51 <rigo> ...capturing sort of vocab table for main Social networks, hope to get some common vocab out
12:33:09 <rigo> ...meeting at TPAC and probably meeting with ID-card folks
12:34:38 <rigo> RI: next meeting will be moved 10 November 2009
12:35:42 <Zakim> -Rigo
12:35:43 <Zakim> -anthony
12:35:44 <Zakim> P3P_PLING()8:00AM has ended
12:35:45 <Zakim> Attendees were Rigo, +1.617.588.aaaa
12:36:00 <rigo> rrsagent, please draft minutes
12:36:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-pling-minutes.html rigo
12:36:51 <rigo> zakim, bye
12:36:51 <Zakim> Zakim has left #pling
12:37:00 <rigo> rrsagent, bye
12:37:00 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-pling-actions.rdf :
12:37:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Renato to send suggested wording to PLING mailing-list and wait for comments and objections for 4 days, if nothing received send to media annotations WG [1]
12:37:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-pling-irc#T12-16-13
12:37:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: rigo to send paragraph about policy binding to Ashok --PENDING [2]
12:37:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-pling-irc#T12-16-43
12:37:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Add Best Practices for Privacy Awareness NOTE to standing  Agenda --DONE [3]
12:37:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-pling-irc#T12-18-22
12:37:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ascertain any requirements from HTML5 WG on Licensing --DONE [4]
12:37:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-pling-irc#T12-19-04