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12:51:28 <sandro> zakim, this will be egov
12:51:28 <Zakim> ok, sandro; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
12:51:33 <sandro> RRSAgent, make log public
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12:57:42 <josema> agenda?
12:57:57 <josema> chair: josema
12:58:02 <josema> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009Oct/0012
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12:58:20 <josema> agenda+ Agenda adjustments and next meetings
12:58:28 <josema> agenda+ Open actions
12:58:37 <josema> agenda+ Tuning scribing procedures
12:58:46 <josema> agenda+ Celebration: Charter approved!
12:58:55 <josema> agenda+ Where to go from here?
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12:59:04 <josema> agenda+ What else is going on/coming up?
12:59:07 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started
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12:59:19 <josema> trackbot, start telcon
12:59:21 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
12:59:23 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
12:59:23 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM already started
12:59:24 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
12:59:24 <trackbot> Date: 14 October 2009
12:59:34 <josema> regrets+ DaveM, SteveH, JimH
12:59:45 <josema> zakim, who's here?
12:59:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
12:59:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see Daniel_Bennett, irc, Hugh, josema, tb, Zakim, RRSAgent, AdamHarvey, hughb, sandro, trackbot
12:59:57 <Hugh> regrets HughG - no phone in Korea
13:00:27 <josema> s/regrets HughG/regrets+ HughG 
13:01:09 <josema> regrets+ JohnS
13:01:18 <irc> Sylvia Webb is on the phone
13:01:39 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
13:01:51 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P7 (58%), ??P11 (35%)
13:02:23 <josema> zakim, who's here?
13:02:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
13:02:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see Daniel_Bennett, irc, Hugh, josema, tb, Zakim, RRSAgent, AdamHarvey, hughb, sandro, trackbot
13:02:43 <Owen> Owen has joined #egov
13:03:16 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
13:03:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
13:03:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see Owen, Daniel_Bennett, Sylvia, Hugh, josema, tb, Zakim, RRSAgent, AdamHarvey, hughb, sandro, trackbot
13:03:22 <sandro> zakim, this is egov
13:03:22 <Zakim> sandro, this was already T&S_EGOV()9:00AM
13:03:23 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches T&S_EGOV()9:00AM
13:03:30 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel is on the phone
13:03:42 <AdamHarvey> I'm on the phone as well
13:04:34 <josema> agenda?
13:04:43 <Rachel> Rachel has joined #egov
13:06:24 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
13:06:24 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda adjustments and next meetings" taken up [from josema]
13:07:14 <sandro> scibe: Rachel 
13:07:17 <sandro> scribe: Rachel 
13:08:02 <Rachel> agenda accepted as-is, no changes
13:08:27 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
13:08:27 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Open actions" taken up [from josema]
13:08:33 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/open
13:09:42 <Rachel> reference to listserv discussion about legislation, open meetings and XML
13:09:52 <Rachel> conversation deferred until John can join us
13:10:56 <Rachel> Sandro - investigating wysiwyg editor options, send Sandro comments about this
13:12:18 <AdamHarvey> I'm on the call, but muted
13:12:44 <Rachel> actions 82 & 83 - Daniel should have update next time
13:12:47 <AdamHarvey> We were waiting for charter approval and the launch of the new W3C site before moving forward
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13:15:05 <AdamHarvey2> http://plone.org/
13:15:40 <Rachel> discussion of tools requirements - not always easy to integrate new tools into W3C operations
13:16:25 <Rachel> Daniel & Sandro will discuss further via email and report back next time
13:17:21 <sandro> ( sandro@w3.org )
13:18:07 <Daniel_Bennett> (daniel@citizencontact.com )
13:18:14 <AdamHarvey2> Please include me in email thread (harvey@thedesignstate.com)
13:18:14 <Rachel> Action 91 - Kevin in discussions, should be able to resolve next week
13:18:14 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 91
13:18:36 <sandro> action-91?
13:18:36 <trackbot> ACTION-91 -- Kevin Novak to organize informal meeting of IG members at TPAC -- due 2009-09-23 -- OPEN
13:18:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/91
13:18:48 <sandro> (see that, Rachel?  Nice trick, eh?)
13:18:59 <Rachel> thx sandro :)
13:19:50 <josema> zakim, who's on the phone?
13:19:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
13:22:12 <Rachel> action-92?
13:22:12 <trackbot> ACTION-92 -- Kevin Novak to put out call for volunteers to survey agencies for those most ready for next steps in creating open data projects -- due 2009-09-30 -- OPEN
13:22:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/92
13:23:59 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-egov-minutes.html#action02
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13:25:23 <josema> q?
13:26:11 <Rachel> Kevin developing a list of the top 10 US govt agencies working to open data to the public
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13:26:34 <josema> s/Kevin/Kevin: 
13:26:57 <sandro> q+ to talk about http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/
13:27:20 <Rachel> Kevin: some possibilities include NASA, GSA, EPA, doing lots of work in this area
13:27:25 <sandro> (who is speaking?)
13:27:44 <Rachel> Daniel: can we make recommendations to improve data.gov?
13:28:18 <josema> q+ to talk about existing Linked Data in US Govt vs "just ready to go"
13:28:39 <josema> agenda?
13:28:47 <Rachel> Kevin: yes, data.gov is now V1, plan is to look to the community to suggest improvements
13:30:36 <josema> q?
13:30:37 <Rachel> Daniel: We should review what's out there on data.gov and recommend improvements
13:31:11 <Rachel> Kevin: Keep in mind our long-term goals - what do we want to accomplish in the end?
13:31:37 <josema> [Kevin on need of consistency across data.gov datasets]
13:32:18 <Rachel> Kevin: Right now, there is no consistency, we need to find the best examples so others can model what they are doing
13:32:39 <AdamHarvey2> It's like the early days of the web
13:33:32 <josema> did I mention this? http://data.fundacionctic.org/dataset-catalog/
13:33:50 <Rachel> George: Commends data.gov.uk as a good model
13:33:57 <josema> it's a compilation of data.gov.* catalogues out there so far (in RDF/XML, of course :)
13:37:11 <josema> and an example map visualization (using only the Spanish data, sorry) http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/public/map
13:37:43 <josema> q?
13:38:13 <josema> s/Spanish data/data in Spanish
13:38:16 <Rachel> Discussion about good collaboration starting to happen, and ideas to further that collaboration in the future
13:38:28 <josema> ack sa
13:38:28 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to talk about http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/
13:38:36 <josema> q-
13:38:48 <sandro> See http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/Nasa/ and larger list, http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/
13:38:56 <josema> agenda?
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13:40:22 <Daniel_Bennett> can that URL be put on IRC, George?
13:40:22 <josema> I think George refers to http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Case_7_-_FEA-RMO_OWL
13:40:23 <sandro> George: it'd be good to get the TopQuadrant-developed case studies on Ontologies for the  Federal Enterprise Architecture.
13:40:23 <Rachel> Does anyone have other examples/use cases that should be listed here?
13:40:47 <Daniel_Bennett> what was that URL George just mentioned?
13:40:54 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Case_6_-_US_Privacy_OWL
13:42:20 <josema> agenda?
13:42:46 <josema> zakim, next agendum
13:42:46 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Tuning scribing procedures" taken up [from josema]
13:43:52 <josema> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009Oct/0021
13:44:02 <Rachel> Looking for ways to make the scribing process easier
13:44:41 <Rachel> Sandro had developed a tool for another working group which he shared via the listserv
13:45:03 <Rachel> Sandro: tool pulls minutes from IRC to a wiki page
13:45:06 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Chatlog_2009-10-14
13:45:22 <Rachel> Sandra: makes it easy for any members to edit & clean up the minutes
13:45:37 <AdamHarvey2> That is really cool. :)
13:45:41 <josema> s/Sandra/Sandro
13:46:26 <josema> [clap, clap]
13:47:29 <Rachel> Sandro:  any questions or comments?
13:47:58 <Rachel> Sandro: if everyone likes this, we will incorporate into our standard operating procedures
13:49:29 <sandro> Jim_Snyder
13:49:36 <sandro> Brian_Gryff
13:49:38 <sandro> Owen
13:49:43 <annew> Anne Washington
13:49:55 <AdamHarvey2> It sounded like you said I'm a regret... I'm here.
13:50:10 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel Bennett
13:50:22 <sandro> Sorry, AdamHarvey2, I didn't mean to say that if I did.
13:50:26 <tb> Thomas bandholtz
13:50:38 <Rachel> Sandro: new tool automatically generates list of attendees as they are mentioned in the discussion
13:52:05 <Rachel> Josema: If we use this new tool, should we continue to send text of minutes to listserv?
13:52:10 <sandro> Brian_Gryth: I'm here
13:52:17 <sandro> Owen_Ambur: I'mhere
13:52:28 <sandro> Anne_Washington: I'm here
13:52:35 <Rachel> Josema: or just send a link to the minutes as formatted in this new tool?
13:52:42 <sandro> ThomasB: I'm here
13:52:42 <josema> agenda?
13:52:52 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
13:52:52 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Celebration: Charter approved!" taken up [from josema]
13:53:18 <josema> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009Oct/0008
13:53:37 <Rachel> Kevin says congrats and thanks to all who contributed
13:53:50 <sandro> guest: Jim Snider
13:53:54 <sandro> Jim_Snider: I'm here
13:54:26 <Rachel> Kevin: Head of W3C was very complimentary and excited about future work of the group
13:54:43 <Rachel> Josema: Thanks all, very good work
13:55:33 <Rachel> Josema: We are now chartered for another year
13:56:11 <Rachel> Kevin: Send ideas via listserv about where you think we should focus our energies this next year
13:56:27 <Rachel> Joe: Is the eGov effort focused primarily on open data?
13:56:42 <Rachel> Kevin: Not necessarily, though that is part of it
13:57:11 <Rachel> Kevin: Interoperability and linked open data are both important
13:57:41 <Rachel> Kevin: Governments really pushing to open their data to the public
13:57:57 <Rachel> Joe: Agencies have a lot of data, but people don't know how to get to it
13:58:10 <Rachel> Joe: data.gov is an attempt to help people get to that data
13:58:23 <josema> OGD != LGD :)
13:58:51 <josema> (LGD is part of OGD if you want)
13:59:06 <Rachel> Joe: recommends xpointer
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13:59:58 <annew> OGD = Open Government Data vvs LGD = Linked Government Data
14:00:15 <josema> yup
14:00:49 <AdamHarvey2> +1 to Rachel - Don't forget that citizen interaction UX & UI is important
14:00:50 <annew> just clarifying for the record to enhance enjoyment of the equation
14:00:57 <josema> +1 to Rachel!
14:01:33 <sandro> "Do you think XPointer is too techie"        I hope that was a joke.....
14:01:36 <josema> remember the three steps to OGD: identify, expose, consume
14:02:04 <josema> agenda?
14:02:34 <AdamHarvey2> Maybe we need a "tech to wonk" TF?
14:03:46 <josema> q?
14:04:45 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=42481&public=1
14:04:46 <Rachel> Joe: There are many standards that could help end users
14:04:53 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/participation
14:05:30 <Rachel> Josema: Reminder to visitors that we would like you to officially join us!
14:05:44 <josema> zakim, next agendum
14:05:44 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Where to go from here?" taken up [from josema]
14:06:00 <Owen> W/re Rachel's point, the Web Content Managers' strategic plan is available at http://xml.gov/stratml/WCMstratplan.xml
14:06:04 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-egov-minutes#item01
14:06:42 <Rachel> Josema: Where to go from here...linked govt data, use of standards, etc
14:06:49 <annew> +1 Rachel. lets enhance govt information usability not force feed tech standards
14:08:03 <Rachel> Josema: What specific topics should we tackle next?
14:08:08 <AdamHarvey2> I'd like to spend more time doing outreach
14:08:28 <AdamHarvey2> Yes, but muted
14:08:38 <AdamHarvey2> Sorry, not right now
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14:09:20 <AdamHarvey2> Yup... I want state and local folks to get interested in this too
14:09:40 <Rachel> Daniel: Need to remember that our work impacts not only federal/national, but also state/local governments
14:10:23 <Rachel> Daniel: working to develop standards for publishing legislation in XML
14:10:32 <josema> I'm wondering if you've seen the NASCIO doc on data transparency http://www.nascio.org/publications/documents/NASCIO-DataTransparency.pdf
14:10:45 <josema> [["Leverage Linked Data approaches to present state datasets. This simplifies the process and avoids redundant data storage."]]
14:11:45 <Rachel> Joe: Need to compile a page of good examples, best practices around open data
14:12:37 <Rachel> Brian: likes that idea
14:12:53 <Rachel> Brian: see NAPA's Collaboration Project for a good model
14:13:15 <Daniel_Bennett> http://www.collaborationproject.org/display/home/Home
14:14:05 <annew> see also the european union's http://www.epractice.eu/
14:15:44 <Rachel> Brian: GovLoop has been helpful for finding good examples like this
14:15:48 <josema> I'm hearing something similar to what we tried to accomplish with the use cases before http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Category:Use_Case
14:15:57 <josema> but did not...
14:16:05 <Rachel> Daniel: Is there a "standard" for finding/compiling use cases?
14:16:36 <Rachel> metadata?
14:16:50 <sandro> +1 yeah, it'd be great to have a standard way to put something on your site saying "Look here is someone people should look at, when they are looking for ODG/whatever"
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14:17:21 <sandro> zakim, this is egov
14:17:21 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches T&S_EGOV()9:00AM
14:17:25 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
14:17:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.216.443.aaaa, +1.310.420.aabb, Sandro, [CTIC], +1.202.449.aacc, +1.509.464.aadd, +1.410.975.aaee, +1.303.748.aaff, ??P17, +1.410.992.aagg, ??P21,
14:17:29 <Zakim> ... +49.178.404.aahh
14:17:37 <josema> zakim, [CTIC] is me
14:17:37 <Zakim> +josema; got it
14:17:46 <AdamHarvey2> zakim, aaaa is me
14:17:46 <Zakim> +AdamHarvey2; got it
14:17:55 <Rachel> Can this group develop/recommend standards for common names, common ways to report and share?
14:18:24 <Sylvia> aabb is me
14:18:44 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/UseCases/
14:18:53 <Rachel> Now there are MANY different ways to refer to eGov, can we develop some "standards"?
14:18:55 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/
14:18:56 <AdamHarvey2> You have mention Z by name, Sylvia, like I did
14:19:11 <Zakim> - +1.202.449.aacc
14:19:27 <Rachel> Josema: We have a mechanism, via our Use Case library
14:19:39 <Sylvia> zakim aabb is me
14:19:48 <Zakim> + +1.202.449.aaii
14:19:57 <Rachel> aadd is Rachel
14:20:46 <Rachel> Josema: We need volunteers (of course!)   :)
14:20:55 <Zakim> - +1.410.975.aaee
14:21:16 <Rachel> zakim aadd is Rachel
14:21:29 <Owen> W/re next steps, it would be good to relate (link) the goals in the IG's charter with those to be set forth in the Federal IT Strategic Plan.
14:23:11 <Rachel> Owen: US CIO Council looking for success stories to integrate into their strategic plan
14:23:14 <josema> agenda?
14:23:16 <Zakim> -AdamHarvey2
14:23:42 <josema> topic: what's coming up
14:24:27 <Zakim> -??P21
14:25:30 <josema> q?
14:26:44 <slizin> agenda?
14:28:28 <Rachel> Discussion about a document outlining some future plans in Europe, check mailing list for attachment & discuss there
14:28:50 <josema> I think it was Thomas who mentioned the paper
14:30:33 <Rachel> Daniel gave an update on a conference he attended last week, and upcoming events
14:31:23 <Rachel> Josema: will email requesting ideas for future projects
14:31:30 <Zakim> - +1.202.449.aaii
14:31:33 <Zakim> - +1.310.420.aabb
14:31:34 <Zakim> - +1.303.748.aaff
14:31:34 <Zakim> - +49.178.404.aahh
14:31:36 <Zakim> - +1.410.992.aagg
14:31:40 <Zakim> -Sandro
14:31:41 <Zakim> -??P17
14:33:19 <josema> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009Oct/0021
14:33:48 <sandro> Rachel, do you understand the scribe process now?
14:34:00 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Chatlog_2009-10-14
14:34:21 <Rachel> Yes...just that I don't do it very often so it's hard to remember all the tricky little commands!
14:34:28 <sandro> I know, I know.
14:34:42 <sandro> (that's what I hate about scribing, too.)
14:34:57 <sandro> (that and the feeling that no one is going to read it anyway.)
14:36:44 <sandro> I think the most important thing is to add some "topic: " and maybe "subtopic: " entries, so people can easily skim the minutes.        Of course, with a meeting as wide-ranging as this was, I don't know if that's possible.
14:37:12 <sandro> (arg, and now I'm getting an Internal Server Error.  What the heck.....)
14:39:06 <Zakim> -josema
14:39:09 <Zakim> - +1.509.464.aadd
14:39:10 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
14:39:11 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.216.443.aaaa, +1.310.420.aabb, Sandro, +1.202.449.aacc, +1.509.464.aadd, +1.410.975.aaee, +1.303.748.aaff, +1.410.992.aagg, +49.178.404.aahh, josema, AdamHarvey2,
14:39:13 <Zakim> ... +1.202.449.aaii
14:39:30 <josema> he, it's the new web site welcoming you, sandro :P
14:39:37 <sandro> yeah.
14:40:46 <Hugh> Bye
14:42:20 <slizin> bye
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