16:38:22 RRSAgent has joined #ua 16:38:22 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/10/08-ua-irc 16:38:24 RRSAgent, make logs public 16:38:24 Zakim has joined #ua 16:38:26 Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG 16:38:26 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 22 minutes 16:38:27 Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 16:38:27 Date: 08 October 2009 16:39:11 Chair: Jim_Allan 16:47:28 Agenda+ Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)? 16:47:30 Agenda+ UAAG comments to HTML 5 attach severity and priority http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2009OctDec/0007.html 16:47:31 Agenda+ Continue meeting survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090930/ 16:47:33 Agenda+ Face to face – sign up and book hotel or confirm telephone partisipation - http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/ 16:47:34 Agenda+ Do we want to review mobile web best practices http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-mwabp-20091006/ 16:47:36 Agenda+ Talk about Guideline 4.9 Provide control of content that may reduce accessibility. 16:47:37 Agenda+ review any new proposals sent to list 16:47:39 Agenda+ Think about techniques in preparation for F2F. 16:48:15 rrsagent, make minutes 16:48:15 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/08-ua-minutes.html kford 16:49:14 rrsagent, make logs public 16:50:21 Regrets: David, Mark, Jan, Jim 16:52:08 rrsagent, make minutes 16:52:08 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/08-ua-minutes.html kford 16:57:26 Greg has joined #ua 16:58:12 jeanne has joined #ua 17:00:14 zakim, code? 17:00:14 the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jeanne 17:00:42 WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started 17:00:49 +Jeanne 17:01:10 +[Microsoft] 17:01:57 zakim, microsoft is kford 17:01:57 +kford; got it 17:02:02 +Greg 17:04:51 sharper has joined #ua 17:05:02 zakim, code? 17:05:02 the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), sharper 17:05:21 + +1.617.325.aaaa 17:05:29 agenda? 17:05:36 KimPatch has joined #ua 17:06:05 zakim, who is here? 17:06:05 On the phone I see Jeanne, kford, Greg, +1.617.325.aaaa 17:06:05 On IRC I see KimPatch, sharper, jeanne, Greg, Zakim, RRSAgent, kford, trackbot 17:06:15 +??P4 17:06:17 zakim, ??P4 is sharper 17:06:17 +sharper; got it 17:06:25 agenda?Present: Simon, Greg, Jeanne, Kim, Kelly 17:06:44 Present: kelly, Simon, Greg, Kim, Jeanne 17:07:27 zakim, take up item 1 17:07:27 agendum 1. "Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?" taken up [from kford] 17:08:38 zakim, close this item 17:08:39 agendum 1 closed 17:08:40 I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:08:41 zakim, close item 1 17:08:45 2. UAAG comments to HTML 5 attach severity and priority http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2009OctDec/0007.html [from kford] 17:08:48 zakim, take up item 2 17:08:49 agendum 1, Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?, closed 17:08:53 I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:08:56 2. UAAG comments to HTML 5 attach severity and priority http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2009OctDec/0007.html [from kford] 17:09:01 agendum 2. "UAAG comments to HTML 5 attach severity and priority http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2009OctDec/0007.html" taken up [from kford] 17:10:09 Group talking about HTML 5 comments 17:10:38 Jeanne: HTML 5 set up a bug tracking system. Theywant all issues as bugs. HTML 5 has offered to enter comments for us. 17:11:02 Jeanne: When I looked, we have the opportunity to set our sev and pri and we don't want to miss that opportunity. 17:11:49 Jeanne: Choices are: blocker, critical, major, normal (default), minor, triviad enhancement. 17:12:13 s/triviad/trivial 17:12:51 Jeanne: WI thinks our bugs will range from blocker to major. 17:13:02 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-comments/2009Oct/0002.html 17:13:10 Jeanne: We should not have all as blockers, blocker equals spec not to go live. 17:14:26 Mutation events to equal critical 17:17:47 Group talking about defintions of priority. 17:19:09 Mutation to be P2. 17:22:02 Annotations to be blocker and P1. 17:25:58 Embeded links to non-visible data major, P3 17:26:12 rrsagent, make minutes 17:26:12 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/08-ua-minutes.html kford 17:28:01 UAWG24: Critical, P1. UAWG04: Blocker, P1. UAWG21: Major, P3. 17:28:04 This appears to have changed to 3.2.3.8 Embedding custom non-visible data 17:29:51 UAWG30:Blocker, P1 17:31:51 Check this out. 17:31:53 Note: In particular, this content is not intended to address accessibility concerns. To make video content accessible to the blind, deaf, and those with other physical or cognitive disabilities, authors are expected to provide alternative media streams and/or to embed accessibility aids (such as caption or subtitle tracks) into their media streams. 17:32:09 This make sno mention of audio description here. 17:32:57 UAWG32: Blocker, P1 17:33:27 Action: kford write issue on sample in html 5 not mentioning audio description. 17:33:27 Sorry, couldn't find user - kford 17:33:47 Action: kf write html 56 issue around audio description issue. 17:33:47 Created ACTION-235 - Write html 56 issue around audio description issue. [on Kelly Ford - due 2009-10-15]. 17:40:33 rrsagent, make minutes 17:40:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/08-ua-minutes.html kford 17:41:12 UAWG31: Critical, P1. It was agreed that consistent controls are important for users who have difficulty remembering and discovering controls. 17:41:46 Issue#: UAWG31 17:41:58 This is critcal P1. 17:42:22 s/critcal/critical 17:43:33 For UAWG16 (Forms) I feel that UAAG20 should require that the user have control over presentation of validation error messages, rather than modifying HTML5 to give such control to content authors who are likely to make it less accessible. 17:43:41 Issue: HTML5 comment UAWG16 on 4.10 Forms asks that the author be able to style the errors in form submission. We should add to UAAG 2.0 thta the user should be able to style error messages. 17:43:41 Created ISSUE-46 - HTML5 comment UAWG16 on 4.10 Forms asks that the author be able to style the errors in form submission. We should add to UAAG 2.0 thta the user should be able to style error messages. ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/46/edit . 17:44:52 rrsagent, make minutes 17:44:52 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/08-ua-minutes.html kford 17:45:58 s/theywant/they want 17:46:10 rrsagent, make minutes 17:46:10 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/08-ua-minutes.html kford 17:50:10 Issue#: UAWG16 17:50:12 Section: 4.10 Forms 17:50:17 This is normal P3. 17:50:28 UAWG16: Normal, P3. This affects the acceptance of a positive accessibility feature, so it is not as high a priority or severity. 17:54:18 UAWG06: we should have a UAAG SC to have the mechanism to override the auto scrolling. We should add a sentence that the author should know that it can be overridden by user. 17:58:40 UAWG06: Major, P3 17:59:17 Issue: HTML5 Comment UAWG06 scrolling elements into view. We need to add a requirement to override automatic scrolling 17:59:17 Created ISSUE-47 - HTML5 Comment UAWG06 scrolling elements into view. We need to add a requirement to override automatic scrolling ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/47/edit . 18:10:01 Issue: HTML5 Comment UAWG07 focus APIs. We need to add a requirement to override automatic change of focus 18:10:01 Created ISSUE-48 - HTML5 Comment UAWG07 focus APIs. We need to add a requirement to override automatic change of focus ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/48/edit . 18:10:27 UAWG07: Critical., P2 18:10:46 UAWG18: Critical, P2 18:11:33 UAWG09: Blocker, P1 18:16:03 UAWG08: Critical, P1; UAWG10: Blocker, P1, UAWG11, Blocker, P1 18:17:47 UAWG28: Critical, P1; UAWG29: Critical, P2 18:17:58 zakim, close item 2 18:17:58 agendum 2, UAAG comments to HTML 5 attach severity and priority http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2009OctDec/0007.html, closed 18:18:00 I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 18:18:01 3. Continue meeting survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090930/ [from kford] 18:18:17 zakim, agenda 18:18:17 I don't understand 'agenda', kford 18:18:22 agenda? 18:19:11 zakim, take up item 4 18:19:11 agendum 4. "Face to face – sign up and book hotel or confirm telephone partisipation - http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/" taken up [from kford] 18:20:05 We need to lock down who is attending the Face to Face in person and who is attending by phone. Please complete the form this week. 18:20:38 zakim, close item 4 18:20:38 agendum 4, Face to face – sign up and book hotel or confirm telephone partisipation - http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/, closed 18:20:40 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 18:20:40 The room price goes up on October 12 18:20:41 3. Continue meeting survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090930/ [from kford] 18:20:45 zakim, close this item 18:20:45 I do not know what agendum had been taken up, jeanne 18:20:58 zakim, close item 4 18:20:58 agendum 4, Face to face – sign up and book hotel or confirm telephone partisipation - http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/, closed 18:21:00 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 18:21:01 3. Continue meeting survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090930/ [from kford] 18:21:37 -kford 18:23:46 -sharper 18:23:49 - +1.617.325.aaaa 18:23:52 -Greg 18:23:53 -Jeanne 18:23:53 WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended 18:23:54 Attendees were Jeanne, kford, Greg, +1.617.325.aaaa, sharper 18:24:03 rrsagent, make minutes 18:24:03 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/08-ua-minutes.html jeanne