IRC log of ua on 2009-10-08
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/10/08-ua-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 22 minutes
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- Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 08 October 2009
- 16:39:11 [kford]
- Chair: Jim_Allan
- 16:47:28 [kford]
- Agenda+ Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?
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- Agenda+ UAAG comments to HTML 5 attach severity and priority http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2009OctDec/0007.html
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- Agenda+ Continue meeting survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090930/
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- Agenda+ Face to face – sign up and book hotel or confirm telephone partisipation - http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/
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- Agenda+ Do we want to review mobile web best practices http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-mwabp-20091006/
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- Agenda+ Talk about Guideline 4.9 Provide control of content that may reduce accessibility.
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- Agenda+ review any new proposals sent to list
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- Agenda+ Think about techniques in preparation for F2F.
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/08-ua-minutes.html kford
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- Regrets: David, Mark, Jan, Jim
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/08-ua-minutes.html kford
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- zakim, code?
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- the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jeanne
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- WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started
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- +Jeanne
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- +[Microsoft]
- 17:01:57 [kford]
- zakim, microsoft is kford
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- +kford; got it
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- +Greg
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- zakim, code?
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- the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), sharper
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- + +1.617.325.aaaa
- 17:05:29 [jeanne]
- agenda?
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see Jeanne, kford, Greg, +1.617.325.aaaa
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- On IRC I see KimPatch, sharper, jeanne, Greg, Zakim, RRSAgent, kford, trackbot
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- +??P4
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- zakim, ??P4 is sharper
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- +sharper; got it
- 17:06:25 [kford]
- agenda?Present: Simon, Greg, Jeanne, Kim, Kelly
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- Present: kelly, Simon, Greg, Kim, Jeanne
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?" taken up [from kford]
- 17:08:38 [jeanne]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 1 closed
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- I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- zakim, close item 1
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- 2. UAAG comments to HTML 5 attach severity and priority http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2009OctDec/0007.html [from kford]
- 17:08:48 [jeanne]
- zakim, take up item 2
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- agendum 1, Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?, closed
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- I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. UAAG comments to HTML 5 attach severity and priority http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2009OctDec/0007.html [from kford]
- 17:09:01 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "UAAG comments to HTML 5 attach severity and priority http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2009OctDec/0007.html" taken up [from kford]
- 17:10:09 [kford]
- Group talking about HTML 5 comments
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- Jeanne: HTML 5 set up a bug tracking system. Theywant all issues as bugs. HTML 5 has offered to enter comments for us.
- 17:11:02 [kford]
- Jeanne: When I looked, we have the opportunity to set our sev and pri and we don't want to miss that opportunity.
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- Jeanne: Choices are: blocker, critical, major, normal (default), minor, triviad enhancement.
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- s/triviad/trivial
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- Jeanne: WI thinks our bugs will range from blocker to major.
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-comments/2009Oct/0002.html
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- Jeanne: We should not have all as blockers, blocker equals spec not to go live.
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- Mutation events to equal critical
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- Group talking about defintions of priority.
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- Mutation to be P2.
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- Annotations to be blocker and P1.
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- Embeded links to non-visible data major, P3
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/08-ua-minutes.html kford
- 17:28:01 [jeanne]
- UAWG24: Critical, P1. UAWG04: Blocker, P1. UAWG21: Major, P3.
- 17:28:04 [kford]
- This appears to have changed to 3.2.3.8 Embedding custom non-visible data
- 17:29:51 [jeanne]
- UAWG30:Blocker, P1
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- Check this out.
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- Note: In particular, this content is not intended to address accessibility concerns. To make video content accessible to the blind, deaf, and those with other physical or cognitive disabilities, authors are expected to provide alternative media streams and/or to embed accessibility aids (such as caption or subtitle tracks) into their media streams.
- 17:32:09 [kford]
- This make sno mention of audio description here.
- 17:32:57 [jeanne]
- UAWG32: Blocker, P1
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- Action: kford write issue on sample in html 5 not mentioning audio description.
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- Sorry, couldn't find user - kford
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- Action: kf write html 56 issue around audio description issue.
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- Created ACTION-235 - Write html 56 issue around audio description issue. [on Kelly Ford - due 2009-10-15].
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/08-ua-minutes.html kford
- 17:41:12 [jeanne]
- UAWG31: Critical, P1. It was agreed that consistent controls are important for users who have difficulty remembering and discovering controls.
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- Issue#: UAWG31
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- This is critcal P1.
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- s/critcal/critical
- 17:43:33 [Greg]
- For UAWG16 (Forms) I feel that UAAG20 should require that the user have control over presentation of validation error messages, rather than modifying HTML5 to give such control to content authors who are likely to make it less accessible.
- 17:43:41 [jeanne]
- Issue: HTML5 comment UAWG16 on 4.10 Forms asks that the author be able to style the errors in form submission. We should add to UAAG 2.0 thta the user should be able to style error messages.
- 17:43:41 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-46 - HTML5 comment UAWG16 on 4.10 Forms asks that the author be able to style the errors in form submission. We should add to UAAG 2.0 thta the user should be able to style error messages. ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/46/edit .
- 17:44:52 [kford]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/08-ua-minutes.html kford
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- s/theywant/they want
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/08-ua-minutes.html kford
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- Issue#: UAWG16
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- Section: 4.10 Forms
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- This is normal P3.
- 17:50:28 [jeanne]
- UAWG16: Normal, P3. This affects the acceptance of a positive accessibility feature, so it is not as high a priority or severity.
- 17:54:18 [jeanne]
- UAWG06: we should have a UAAG SC to have the mechanism to override the auto scrolling. We should add a sentence that the author should know that it can be overridden by user.
- 17:58:40 [jeanne]
- UAWG06: Major, P3
- 17:59:17 [jeanne]
- Issue: HTML5 Comment UAWG06 scrolling elements into view. We need to add a requirement to override automatic scrolling
- 17:59:17 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-47 - HTML5 Comment UAWG06 scrolling elements into view. We need to add a requirement to override automatic scrolling ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/47/edit .
- 18:10:01 [jeanne]
- Issue: HTML5 Comment UAWG07 focus APIs. We need to add a requirement to override automatic change of focus
- 18:10:01 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-48 - HTML5 Comment UAWG07 focus APIs. We need to add a requirement to override automatic change of focus ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/48/edit .
- 18:10:27 [jeanne]
- UAWG07: Critical., P2
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- UAWG18: Critical, P2
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- UAWG09: Blocker, P1
- 18:16:03 [jeanne]
- UAWG08: Critical, P1; UAWG10: Blocker, P1, UAWG11, Blocker, P1
- 18:17:47 [jeanne]
- UAWG28: Critical, P1; UAWG29: Critical, P2
- 18:17:58 [kford]
- zakim, close item 2
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- agendum 2, UAAG comments to HTML 5 attach severity and priority http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2009OctDec/0007.html, closed
- 18:18:00 [Zakim]
- I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 3. Continue meeting survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090930/ [from kford]
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- zakim, agenda
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- I don't understand 'agenda', kford
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- agenda?
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- zakim, take up item 4
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- agendum 4. "Face to face – sign up and book hotel or confirm telephone partisipation - http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/" taken up [from kford]
- 18:20:05 [jeanne]
- We need to lock down who is attending the Face to Face in person and who is attending by phone. Please complete the form this week.
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- zakim, close item 4
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- agendum 4, Face to face – sign up and book hotel or confirm telephone partisipation - http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/, closed
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- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 18:20:40 [jeanne]
- The room price goes up on October 12
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- 3. Continue meeting survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090930/ [from kford]
- 18:20:45 [jeanne]
- zakim, close this item
- 18:20:45 [Zakim]
- I do not know what agendum had been taken up, jeanne
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- zakim, close item 4
- 18:20:58 [Zakim]
- agendum 4, Face to face – sign up and book hotel or confirm telephone partisipation - http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/, closed
- 18:21:00 [Zakim]
- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 18:21:01 [Zakim]
- 3. Continue meeting survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090930/ [from kford]
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- -kford
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- -sharper
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- - +1.617.325.aaaa
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- -Greg
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- -Jeanne
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- WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Jeanne, kford, Greg, +1.617.325.aaaa, sharper
- 18:24:03 [jeanne]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 18:24:03 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/08-ua-minutes.html jeanne