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13:41:31 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
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13:41:32 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
13:41:32 <trackbot> Date: 07 October 2009
13:41:46 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Oct/0006
13:41:56 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Oct/0006
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13:42:54 <Tina> Good afternoon, both
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13:46:14 <Zakim> +ShaneM
13:46:46 <Zakim> +mgylling
13:47:03 <Zakim> +Tina
13:47:42 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
13:47:42 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
13:47:44 <Zakim> +Steven
13:48:35 <Steven> Regrets: Alessio
13:48:48 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
13:49:03 <Steven> Topic: Announcements
13:49:11 <Steven> Steven: ANyone going to TPAC?
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13:49:15 <Steven> s/AN/An/
13:50:07 <Steven> Steven: Just for interest, there a new validator at W3C, Unicorn -> http://qa-dev.w3.org/unicorn
13:50:23 <Steven> ... validates according to appendix C too.
13:50:38 <Steven> ... I have sent comments
13:51:19 <Steven> good to see you here Gregory
13:51:26 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
13:51:27 <Steven> present+ Gregory
13:52:58 <oedipus> scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita
13:53:10 <oedipus> scribenick: oedipus
13:53:26 <oedipus> Topic: Announcements
13:53:41 <oedipus> TPAC - anyone going?
13:54:02 <oedipus> New W3C validator in Beta: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-qa-dev/2009Oct/0000
13:54:20 <oedipus> SP: asked for last call review of Web Content Transformation Proxy Guidelines
13:54:50 <oedipus> SP: interesting document, but don't know background - anyone knows anything please share with group
13:54:54 <oedipus> TOPIC: PERs
13:55:07 <oedipus> SP: PERs on hold until M12 Second Edition ready
13:55:19 <oedipus> SP: shane, any comments on M12n SE?
13:55:24 <oedipus> shane: speaks for itself
13:55:30 <oedipus> SP: comments all disposed?
13:56:03 <oedipus> SP: have to go through LC again?  substantive change
13:56:25 <oedipus> shane: if you say so
13:56:43 <oedipus> SP: holding up push to PR
13:56:51 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml-modularization-2e-doc-20090930.html
13:57:04 <oedipus> shane: what doc in particular are we talking about?
13:58:28 <oedipus> shane: we agreed to put attributes back in -- is substative change; WG agreed that whole thing should be modules; few attributes not anywhere that should be in Legacy Module
13:58:52 <oedipus> SP: could we just say "we are fixing errors, not changing M12n itself"
13:59:32 <oedipus> SP: this is errata that we are fixing, so if state fixing errata, then ok and no recycle through LC necessary
13:59:52 <oedipus> shane: happy to do -- terms come from PubRules -- didn't make them up
14:00:06 <oedipus> SP: link to definition of substantive?
14:00:22 <oedipus> shane: can say are strictly editorial because addressing errata
14:00:49 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules?year=2009&uimode=filter&filter=Filter+pubrules&filterValues=form&docstatus=per-tr&patpol=w3c&rectrack=yes&normative=yes&prevrec=none#docreqs
14:01:22 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/Guide/pubrules-about
14:01:51 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-pubrules-about#glossary
14:02:38 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr
14:02:58 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr#rec-modify
14:03:23 <Steven> "A substantive change (whether deletion, inclusion, or other modification) is one where someone could reasonably expect that making the change would invalidate an individual's review or implementation experience. Other changes (e.g., clarifications, bug fixes, editorial repairs, and minor error corrections) are minor changes."
14:03:27 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr#substantive-change
14:04:21 <oedipus> SP: under this definition, classify as editorial
14:04:28 <oedipus> GJR: agree that is error correction/bugfixes
14:04:59 <oedipus> SP: will take to transition call -- will highlight that changes are editorial
14:05:21 <oedipus> shane: due to bug in issue tracking software, can't change - will have to figure out later
14:05:40 <oedipus> shane: will make sure "comment" document in place
14:05:58 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-modularization-20090930/
14:06:01 <oedipus> shane: anyone had chance to read my recent posts on M12n?
14:06:13 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-modularization-20090930/xhtml-modularization-diff.html
14:06:28 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Oct/0002.html
14:06:56 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Sep/0027.html
14:07:18 <oedipus> SP: looks good to me
14:07:23 <oedipus> GJR: me too
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14:08:49 <oedipus> Shane: not in alphabetic order
14:09:50 <oedipus> Shane: sure that it is right
14:10:32 <oedipus> Shane: XML Schema ok
14:10:43 <oedipus> SP: no objection to URI ref being a single hash
14:10:57 <oedipus> SP: change to definition of CURIE in schema
14:11:17 <oedipus> Shane: not sure that was on purpose; need to recheck
14:12:03 <oedipus> SP: looking at DIFF for schema def
14:12:06 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-modularization-20090930/xhtml-modularization-diff.html
14:12:14 <oedipus> Shane: will attend to it
14:12:53 <oedipus> Shane: [after reading] i meant "for the actual anchor"
14:13:37 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-modularization-20090930/xhtml-modularization-diff.html#a_module_XHTML_Datatypes
14:14:14 <oedipus> SP: addition?
14:14:21 <oedipus> Shane: no a change
14:14:47 <oedipus> Shane: when was our last Rec published
14:14:52 <oedipus> SP: 8 October 2008
14:15:05 <oedipus> Shane: put CURIEs in as placeholder
14:15:35 <oedipus> Shane: there is no change so not sure why DIFF is pointing one out
14:15:55 <oedipus> Shane: may be a whitespace problem
14:16:07 <oedipus> Shane: compared with Rec there are no changes
14:16:27 <oedipus> Shane: will massage markup so doesn't show up as DIFF
14:17:05 <oedipus> SP: have to simply resolve to take to PER
14:17:19 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to update the M12N Disposition of comments document
14:17:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-98 - Update the M12N Disposition of comments document [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-10-14].
14:17:49 <oedipus> proposed RESOLUTION: take xhtml-modularization to PER upon shane's tweaking of markup
14:18:29 <oedipus> SP: all in favor? once get first can get others to PER, pointing to M12n
14:18:43 <oedipus> Shane: highlight changes, such as "name" on FORM
14:18:51 <oedipus> Tina: no objections
14:19:06 <oedipus> GJR: no objections
14:19:30 <oedipus> RESOLUTION: take xhtml-modularization to PER upon shane's tweaking of markup
14:20:05 <oedipus> ACTION: Steven - take modularization to PER
14:20:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - - take modularization to PER [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-10-14].
14:20:24 <oedipus> shane: need to leave momentarily
14:20:42 <oedipus> SP: this was the most important thing to decide at meeting
14:20:46 <Zakim> -ShaneM
14:20:48 <Zakim> -Steven
14:20:49 <Zakim> -Tina
14:20:51 <Zakim> -mgylling
14:20:54 <oedipus> SP: without objection, ADJOURNED
14:21:00 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
14:21:01 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
14:21:02 <Zakim> Attendees were ShaneM, mgylling, Tina, Steven, Gregory_Rosmaita
14:21:23 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:21:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
14:21:29 <Steven> Thanks Gregory
14:22:01 <oedipus> no problem - have to go into "screen review" mode to hear what is in the buffer, hence the lag time
14:23:49 <oedipus> Chair: Steven
14:23:53 <Steven> :-)
14:23:59 <Steven> you beat me to it
14:24:01 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
14:24:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
14:24:55 <oedipus> zakim, please part
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14:31:15 <oedipus> rrsagent, please part
14:31:15 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-xhtml-actions.rdf :
14:31:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to update the M12N Disposition of comments document [1]
14:31:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-xhtml-irc#T14-17-19
14:31:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven - take modularization to PER [2]
14:31:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-xhtml-irc#T14-20-05