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09:01:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
09:01:47 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_MFWG()5:00AM scheduled to start now
09:01:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
09:01:48 <trackbot> Date: 07 October 2009
09:01:57 <jackjansen> zakim, code?
09:01:57 <Zakim> the conference code is 3724 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jackjansen
09:01:59 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has now started
09:02:06 <Zakim> +erik
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09:02:49 <Zakim> +Jack_Jansen
09:03:02 <Zakim> +Yves
09:03:32 <jackjansen> zakim, mute me
09:03:32 <Zakim> Jack_Jansen should now be muted
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09:04:37 <Zakim> +raphael
09:04:47 <conrad> Zakim, code
09:04:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', conrad
09:05:02 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Oct/0000.html
09:05:06 <raphael> Chair: Erik, RFaphael
09:05:07 <conrad> Zakim, code?
09:05:07 <Zakim> the conference code is 3724 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), conrad
09:05:08 <jackjansen> zakim, code?
09:05:10 <Zakim> the conference code is 3724 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jackjansen
09:05:14 <raphael> Chair: Erik, Raphael
09:05:47 <raphael> Present: Erik, Raphael, Jack, Yves, Conrad, Davy
09:05:55 <raphael> Regrets: Silvia, Michael
09:05:59 <Zakim> +??P3
09:05:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
09:06:08 <conrad> Zakim, ??P3 is me
09:06:08 <Zakim> +conrad; got it
09:06:29 <conrad> Zakim, mute me
09:06:29 <Zakim> conrad should now be muted
09:06:34 <raphael> s/RFaphael/Raphael
09:06:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
09:07:19 <conrad> Zakim, unmute me
09:07:19 <Zakim> conrad should no longer be muted
09:07:49 <conrad> scribenick: conrad
09:08:17 <conrad> Zakim, mute me
09:08:17 <Zakim> conrad should now be muted
09:08:27 <raphael> Topic: 1. admin
09:08:38 <raphael> Last week telecon minutes: http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-mediafrag-minutes.html
09:08:39 <Yves> +1 to accept minutes
09:08:41 <erik> +1
09:08:45 <raphael> +1
09:08:47 <davy> +1
09:09:10 <conrad> RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of 2009-09-30
09:09:58 <conrad> raphael: i have reworked the use case and req documents
09:10:30 <erik> q+
09:10:36 <raphael> Topic: 2. UC & Requirements doc
09:10:53 <raphael> ACTIOn-116?
09:10:53 <trackbot> ACTION-116 -- Davy Van Deursen to davy And Erik to review UC & Requirements document before pub -- due 2009-10-07 -- OPEN
09:10:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/116
09:11:07 <conrad> ACTION-105?
09:11:07 <trackbot> ACTION-105 -- Raphaël Troncy to address all comments and write a reply to MAWG -- due 2009-09-16 -- OPEN
09:11:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/105
09:11:09 <conrad> ACTION-106?
09:11:09 <trackbot> ACTION-106 -- Raphaël Troncy to draft a paragraph explaining upfront in the document why we are doing that ... justification for the MPEG community -- due 2009-09-16 -- OPEN
09:11:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/106
09:11:17 <conrad> close action-116
09:11:18 <trackbot> ACTION-116 Davy And Erik to review UC & Requirements document before pub closed
09:11:21 <conrad> close action-105
09:11:21 <trackbot> ACTION-105 Address all comments and write a reply to MAWG closed
09:11:23 <conrad> close action-106
09:11:23 <trackbot> ACTION-106 Draft a paragraph explaining upfront in the document why we are doing that ... justification for the MPEG community closed
09:11:49 <raphael> Some unanswered questions: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/
09:12:56 <jackjansen> Zakim, unmute me
09:12:56 <Zakim> Jack_Jansen should no longer be muted
09:13:14 <raphael> Werner suggests we don't use the term "Mask"
09:13:23 <davy> continuous view?
09:13:42 <erik> "continous part"?
09:14:23 <raphael> Replace "mask" by a "single segment"
09:14:36 <conrad> jackjansen, just add a statement that we don't want holes
09:14:38 <raphael> Jack: we don't want holes
09:15:25 <conrad> raphael: section 3.1 figure explains context, but the last row "example image track" illustrates that we can take a blob of an image, but the text doesn't consider this
09:15:42 <conrad> raphael, case, eg. spatial regions of images
09:16:05 <conrad> phillip suggested we specify that we also support spatial ranges
09:16:30 <conrad> jack: what is the difference (from our point of view) between text and image track?
09:17:12 <conrad> i think the overlapping content is the main thing
09:17:36 <conrad> so for temporal addressing there can be multiple text elements which match a temporal region
09:17:46 <conrad> jack: for this draft perhaps we should only specify audio+video
09:18:16 <conrad> and chasing dependencies of previous text elements (ie. working out which are active now) can be more difficult than eg. video keyframes
09:18:36 <jackjansen> q+
09:18:38 <conrad> raphael: we should publish, including these minor changes
09:18:55 <raphael> zakim, ack erik
09:18:55 <Zakim> I see jackjansen on the speaker queue
09:19:12 <conrad> jack: editorial note by silvia is a question to the reader
09:19:23 <conrad> jack: editorial note by dave singer, needs to be addressed (sec 3.12)?
09:19:45 <conrad> "The fallback plan needs to be clarified. We must be able to handle the way the # is already used, e.g. in YouTube, without breaking what is already working."
09:20:01 <conrad> raphael: the wg. has discussed that we need to be backwards-compatible with existing implementations as much as possible
09:20:10 <conrad> eg. youtube syntax, and we are still discussing what the behaviour should be
09:20:30 <conrad> so is the vague phrasing of compatibility with "widely implemented solutions" enough?
09:21:59 <conrad> raphael: we have already discussed that eg. the youtube way could be a different syntax we specify, with explicity hms
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09:22:23 <conrad> jack: ok then we should add a sentence about that, and a note to suggest that parsers recognize foreign syntax and stay away from it
09:22:50 <conrad> jack: so if we draft a paragraph and send it to dave, see what he thinks
09:23:14 <conrad> raphael: ok, but also that is not blocking the publication of documents
09:23:22 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/
09:23:36 <conrad> Proposed to publish documents currently staged at http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/
09:23:53 <raphael> +1 for publication
09:23:57 <davy> +1
09:23:58 <Yves> +1
09:24:00 <erik> +1
09:24:05 <jackjansen> +1
09:24:15 <jackjansen> Zakim, mute me
09:24:15 <Zakim> Jack_Jansen should now be muted
09:24:23 <nessy> +1
09:24:34 <conrad> +1
09:24:54 <conrad> RESOLVED: to publish documents currently staged at http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/
09:25:16 <conrad> 3. specification
09:25:22 <raphael> Topic: 3. Specification
09:25:24 <conrad> action-117?
09:25:24 <trackbot> ACTION-117 -- Raphaël Troncy to review Silvia's summary of her blogpost, i.e. the Section 3 of the spec -- due 2009-10-07 -- OPEN
09:25:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/117
09:26:33 <conrad> raphael: no progress on 117 and 112, pending comments by silvia
09:26:38 <raphael> Raphael: suggest to postpone decision on publishing this doc to next week
09:27:24 <conrad> Raphael: after 117 and 112 are complete, we can think about publishing the documents, as they don't currently reflect the progress we have made
09:27:42 <conrad> Topic: 4. Test Cases
09:27:46 <jackjansen> q+
09:27:51 <conrad> all actions on test cases are pending
09:27:54 <jackjansen> Zakim, unmute me
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09:28:05 <raphael> zakim, ack Jack
09:28:05 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
09:28:22 <conrad> jackjansen, please notify the mailing list when spec changes are made
09:28:41 <conrad> nessy: we should implement cvs commit emails etc. etc.
09:28:51 <jackjansen> q-
09:29:06 <nessy> conrad: yes, but we won't have access to the cvs management box, I don't hink
09:29:22 <nessy> Yves would know if that was possible
09:29:37 <jackjansen> I second silvia's proposal
09:30:36 <conrad> usually there is a separate mailing list for cvs-commits, and a post-hook added to cvs to mail commit details to that list
09:30:43 <conrad> eg. media-fragment-notifications or something like that
09:31:13 <conrad> ACTION: Yves to request admins to set up a cvs notifications mailing list and notifications
09:31:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-119 - Request admins to set up a cvs notifications mailing list and notifications [on Yves Lafon - due 2009-10-14].
09:31:14 <raphael> Silvia, it just meant we agree on your comment today that the spec doc is not yet ready for publication
09:31:21 <raphael> ... but it is pending on my actions
09:31:38 <raphael> ... when they are done, I think the missing sections will be here and the document publishable
09:31:49 <conrad> Raphael: AOB?
09:32:01 <conrad> Topic: 7. AOB
09:32:05 <conrad> Raphael: AOB?
09:32:13 <nessy> raphael: I agree :)
09:32:25 <Zakim> -Jack_Jansen
09:32:26 <Zakim> -raphael
09:32:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
09:32:29 <Zakim> -Yves
09:32:31 <Zakim> -erik
09:32:33 <Zakim> -conrad
09:32:34 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has ended
09:32:35 <Zakim> Attendees were erik, Davy, Jack_Jansen, Yves, raphael, conrad
09:35:24 <raphael> zakim, bye
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09:42:40 <raphael> RRSAgent, bye
09:42:40 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-mediafrag-actions.rdf :
09:42:40 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to request admins to set up a cvs notifications mailing list and notifications [1]
09:42:40 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-mediafrag-irc#T09-31-13