13:59:08 RRSAgent has joined #sparql 13:59:08 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/10/06-sparql-irc 13:59:22 Zakim, this will be sparql 13:59:22 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, AxelPolleres 13:59:36 Zakim, this will be SPARQL 13:59:36 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, AxelPolleres 13:59:56 yeah, can't get on the call with the code, either 14:00:13 now that's weird 14:00:32 I don't get "please your conf code" part of the message. 14:00:35 I'm guessing that Zakim sets up the conference call 14:00:35 ivan, eric, help? 14:00:51 what is the problem? 14:00:57 hm 14:01:05 and then "not valid *pass* code" 14:01:12 here 14:01:14 same here 14:01:15 sigh... 14:01:15 seems we have no valid passcode on zakim and zakim doesn' 14:01:22 t know about the meeting 14:01:26 same here 14:01:40 could be that SPARQL has elapsed, and the new group doesn't have a meeting slot? 14:02:14 AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-10-06 14:02:28 ericP? 14:02:40 eric is not around, I am trying to find out what is going on 14:02:45 k 14:02:49 looks like eric isn't available. 14:02:57 (he said at risk last time already) 14:03:07 FWIW, Luke and I are at risk, this hotmail thing has meant were quite busy... 14:03:16 in the meantime we can set up a temporary zakim call, which would need a different code access 14:03:21 would that work? 14:03:30 thanks ivan, apologies all for the trouble. think that should work. 14:03:31 we can then check what is going on later 14:03:36 +1 14:03:43 we are around 10 people, right? 14:03:48 yes 14:03:51 zakim, room for 15 14:03:53 I don't understand 'room for 15', ivan 14:03:57 zakim, room for 15? 14:04:00 ok, ivan; conference Team_(sparql)14:03Z scheduled with code 772775 (SPARQL) for 60 minutes until 1503Z; however, please note that capacity is now overbooked 14:04:09 ok, let us use this one then 14:04:12 chimezie has joined #sparql 14:04:17 zakim, dial ivan-voip 14:04:17 ok, ivan; the call is being made 14:04:18 Team_(sparql)14:03Z has now started 14:04:19 +Ivan 14:04:30 (and it works) 14:04:31 + +1.310.729.aaaa 14:04:32 I am in 14:04:35 Zakim, aaaa is me 14:04:35 +kasei; got it 14:04:36 +??P31 14:04:47 Zakim, code? 14:04:47 the conference code is 772775 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), AxelPolleres 14:04:49 Zakim, ??P31 is me 14:04:50 +AlexPassant; got it 14:04:51 Zakim, mute me 14:04:51 kasei should now be muted 14:04:54 +??P33 14:04:58 zakim, ??P33 is me 14:04:58 +AndyS; got it 14:05:00 +??P37 14:05:07 ??P37 is [Garlik] 14:05:17 Zakim, ??P37 is [Garlik] 14:05:17 +[Garlik]; got it 14:05:19 +AxelPolleres 14:05:25 Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH and LukeWM 14:05:25 +SteveH, LukeWM; got it 14:05:31 hmm, Zakim didn't ask me for the code... 14:05:44 Hi, I will not be able to call in, but I will be on IRC for the first 60 mins. 14:05:47 AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: the conference code is 772775 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152) 14:05:50 +OlivierCorby 14:05:51 +Chimezie_Ogbuji 14:06:10 +??P38 14:06:18 Zakim, ??P38 is me 14:06:18 +KjetilK; got it 14:06:37 Agenda is: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-10-06 14:07:04 +pgearon 14:07:06 ok 14:07:15 whew! That was hard! 14:07:40 proposed: approve minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-09-29 14:07:53 topic: admin 14:07:53 how can I tell zakim that I'm sribing , cannot remember the command ? 14:08:12 ok 14:08:14 scribe: kjetil 14:08:37 resolved: approve minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-09-29 14:09:06 scribe: KjetilK 14:09:23 Zakim, mute me 14:09:23 KjetilK should now be muted 14:09:34 scribe next time andy 14:09:47 + +1.617.588.aabb - is perhaps wonsuk 14:09:56 AlexPassant, yeah, that'll work 14:10:06 KjetilK: ok, sorry for the confusion 14:10:26 ACTION: Axel to come up with a concrete agenda for F2F 14:10:27 Created ACTION-112 - Come up with a concrete agenda for F2F [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-10-13]. 14:10:47 Topic: Liasons 14:10:48 topic: liaisons 14:11:00 AxelPolleres: anything to report? 14:11:10 should we have an e-gov liasson? 14:11:34 AxelPolleres: there is something from RIF; it is now CR 14:12:26 +1 14:12:42 proposed: add SteveH as liaison contact for e-Gov xg 14:12:57 s/xg/ig/ 14:13:06 no, XG is correct 14:13:10 any liaison for the provenance XG as well ? 14:13:11 oh, sorry 14:13:32 Orri: rdb2rdff starts this or next? week 14:13:54 axel: RIF is a CR since Oct 1 14:13:56 oh, no, it is an IG 14:14:06 sorry KjetilK 14:14:20 -AlexPassant 14:14:50 Topic: Using Action tracker for task forces 14:14:50 iv_an_ru has joined #sparql 14:15:02 Topic: ACTIONS 14:15:40 http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open 14:16:01 +??P7 14:16:03 ericP: still waiting on cvs access :\ 14:16:05 Zakim, ??P7 is me 14:16:05 +AlexPassant; got it 14:16:14 s/:/,/ 14:16:31 I have completed LeeF's ACTION-107 14:16:33 LukeWM_ has joined #sparql 14:16:58 close ACTION-92 14:16:58 ACTION-92 Make a comment making it clear that we intend to merge this content with the old document. closed 14:17:59 close ACTION-93 14:17:59 ACTION-93 talk with AndyS on ISSUE-41, closed 14:18:01 kasei, w3c web id? 14:18:14 ericP, gwilliam 14:18:15 simonS? 14:18:24 SimonS is on IRC 14:18:39 here 14:18:57 cannot call in atm 14:19:01 AxelPolleres: has there been any discussion on the structure of the Query and Update documents? 14:19:33 ...: it is in the works 14:19:45 Zakim, mute me 14:19:45 Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted 14:20:26 kasei, it looks like i have a couple reqs fro you 14:20:40 will have to look after this session (i'm in a conference) 14:20:49 See related notes comment for this action 14:21:02 ericP, ok thanks (as always) 14:21:07 "This is probably not going to be done until/unless were clear on whether the function library will be included in /Query 1.1. [Steve Harris]" 14:21:48 action #97 14:21:48 Sorry, bad ACTION syntax 14:23:07 AxelPolleres: I suggest we discuss this after FPWD 14:23:22 PROPOSED: re-issue inclusion of time-allowed features in next iterations of the document 14:23:23 we should discuss it when we know whether term permits or not 14:23:27 it's premature until then 14:23:32 +1 14:23:40 +1 14:23:53 +1 14:23:54 +1 14:23:58 +1 14:24:04 RESOLVED: re-issue inclusion of time-allowed features in next iterations of the document 14:24:05 0 14:24:08 (+1 to steve) 14:24:49 topic: status of reviews 14:25:26 link? 14:28:06 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0011.html 14:28:14 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0008.html 14:28:28 Reviews of SPARQL 1.1. (Axel and Birte) 14:30:09 Prateek has joined #sparql 14:30:13 AndyS: which documents are we voting on? 14:30:51 +Prateek 14:30:54 AxelPolleres: I think we should do it next time, since there are quite a few regrets this time 14:31:15 AxelPolleres: Ivan, should we vote this time to finish it before ISWC? 14:31:18 Sorry I'm not on the call, everyone - wanted to say that if we think we're ready or close-to-ready for FPWD for Query and for Update 14:31:25 then it would be great for us to resolve to publish those 14:31:32 even if the rest of the docs need to evolve a bit more 14:31:40 Update is not in a state to review it 14:31:48 I think it's a publicity win to have Query and Update published in advance of ISWC 14:31:50 OK 14:31:54 well, even query 14:32:01 s/even query/even just query 14:32:25 LeeF, ivan says on the call that voting next week should be enough time for publcation before iswc... 14:32:34 thanks, kasei 14:32:51 ivan: voting next week should be enough time for publcation before iswc... 14:33:07 http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/ 14:34:29 AndyS: the material we are voting on is going to be merged into one single document 14:34:37 "The final version of this draft shall be integrated with the earlier SPARQL/Query 1.0 document to produce a new document." 14:34:42 AndyS: is that new document going to be SPARQL 1.1? 14:35:13 AxelPolleres: AndyS asks if we should publish this under the proposed name, right? 14:36:09 AxelPolleres: another possibility is to publish this under a different name 14:36:28 ivan: I think it is OK to use that name for it allready 14:36:38 AxelPolleres, I think the wording is fine 14:36:44 PROPOSED: remove "to produce a new document" from Status section. 14:36:50 -1 14:36:56 0 14:38:43 http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/ 14:38:45 ivan: I will look into it 14:39:27 http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/ 14:39:49 ivan: the shortname on IRC is ok 14:40:03 PROPOSED: to publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/ 14:40:10 2nded 14:40:21 q? 14:41:04 PROPOSED: to publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/ modulo editorial changes 14:41:23 +1 (W3C) 14:41:35 +1 (Garlik) 14:41:39 +1 (HP) 14:41:39 +1 (RPI) 14:41:43 0 (Computas) # I haven't really had time to review it 14:41:48 +1 (DERI, NUIG) 14:42:07 +1 (CCF) 14:42:17 +1 14:42:23 Zakim: unmute me 14:42:32 Zakim, unmute me 14:42:32 KjetilK should no longer be muted 14:42:33 +1(INRIA) 14:43:08 +1 (OpenLink) (from Orri who does not have IRC) 14:43:35 Zakim, mute me 14:43:35 KjetilK should now be muted 14:43:36 RESOLVED: to publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/ modulo editorial changes 14:43:41 clap clap clap 14:44:09 Zakim, unmute me 14:44:09 KjetilK should no longer be muted 14:44:12 q+ 14:44:25 Which update? 14:44:30 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0024.html 14:44:33 q? 14:44:44 topic: SPARQL/Update 14:45:07 So this is update language? 14:45:13 yes 14:45:25 paul: not quite ready for review. 14:45:30 Email link is to protocol review. 14:46:04 simonS, could we get realistically the doc in status to vote next time? 14:46:58 I think so. 14:47:55 Paul is up to date again, and I will have time Thursday and Friday. 14:48:01 Zakim, mute me 14:48:01 KjetilK should now be muted 14:48:03 The todos are clear. 14:48:53 ACTION: Luke to Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness 14:48:53 Created ACTION-113 - Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness [on Luke Wilson-Mawer - due 2009-10-13]. 14:49:07 I think LeeF volunteered too 14:49:08 ACTION: Steve to Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness 14:49:15 ACTION: Lee to Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness 14:49:15 Created ACTION-114 - Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-13]. 14:50:00 topic: http-update 14:50:02 http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ 14:50:04 Zakim, unmute me 14:50:04 Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted 14:50:12 Zakim, unmute me 14:50:12 KjetilK should no longer be muted 14:50:32 Review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0004.html 14:50:57 Review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0024.html 14:51:15 kjetil: who is our audience here? 14:51:49 ... do we need all update features or just a tiny subset? 14:53:04 ... 14:54:26 Axel: Are all you concerns in your mail? 14:56:45 chime: all bust last issue could be addressed. 14:57:40 q? 14:57:57 ack me 14:58:18 I propose to not mention the proxy graph identifier for now 14:59:40 INSERT INTO { payload } 15:00:04 but that's horribly unfreindly, if youhave eg RDF/XML data 15:00:36 -AlexPassant 15:01:37 +??P54 15:01:40 ACTION: Kjetil to draft a paragraph/sentence to put in the document that clrifies "at risk" status of proxy graph identifier 15:01:40 Created ACTION-115 - Draft a paragraph/sentence to put in the document that clrifies "at risk" status of proxy graph identifier [on Kjetil Kjernsmo - due 2009-10-13]. 15:01:41 Zakim, ??P54 is me 15:01:41 +AlexPassant; got it 15:02:12 scribe: AlexPassant 15:02:27 ACTION: Chime to address the concerns in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0024.html 15:02:27 Created ACTION-116 - Address the concerns in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0024.html [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2009-10-13]. 15:02:50 -KjetilK 15:02:59 AxelPolleres: next topic is Service Description document 15:03:16 topic: Service Description document 15:03:18 Zakim, unmute me 15:03:26 ... status ? 15:03:33 kasei: not having CVS access 15:03:37 kasei should no longer be muted 15:03:43 ... but got some feedback from AndyS and AxelPolleres 15:03:53 ... some questions regarding the feedback exchanged by e-mail 15:04:00 (Un)review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0015.html 15:04:14 ... AndyS brought up the point of entailement based on the graph and not on the whole dataset 15:04:18 Review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0010.html 15:04:32 ... property that discuss the entailement for a graph ? 15:04:46 ... on the dataset, or ability to say both ? 15:04:47 -wonsuk 15:04:57 haven't we essentially made that decision by deciding not to support the user being specific about which entailment regimes are applicable and to which graphs? 15:05:06 ... is that necessary ? 15:05:15 AxelPolleres: issue also related to the entailement document 15:05:19 ... needs further clarification 15:05:20 ? 15:05:30 ... any issue on that ? 15:05:35 ... need to raise one 15:05:57 q+ 15:06:20 AndyS: agree with greg 15:06:32 ... common case, dataset have only a default graph 15:07:04 kasei: will it be ok to describe the entailement for the whole dataset ? 15:07:17 ... describing default graph, etc. with other properties (as entailement per graph) 15:07:31 AndyS: happy if there is a note in the doc mentioning that there can be graph-based entailement 15:07:35 ... that can be discussed later 15:07:57 kasei: pointing it in the realm of service description 15:08:09 AxelPolleres: suggested working for that issue ? 15:08:27 s/pointing/punting/ 15:08:36 do we really need an issue for that? 15:08:42 ISSUE: should entailment-regimes be declared over the whole dataset or indicidual graphs? 15:09:07 AxelPolleres: raising the issue will help to link from the doc 15:09:19 SteveH: worrying about duplicating 15:09:24 ... get comments on documents and comments on the issues 15:09:45 AxelPolleres: godd to have it in the doc, but tracker keeps an overview of what's open 15:09:55 ... continue the policy that we had so far 15:10:01 s/godd/good 15:10:45 AxelPolleres: any other question on the reviews ? 15:10:59 kasei: AxelPolleres mentioned a way to discuss default and named graphs 15:11:18 ... will go into a note - ony one property to link a service to the desription on the SD vocabulary 15:11:28 s/ony/only 15:11:34 AxelPolleres: mention it in the doc ? 15:11:59 kasei: AndyS and AxelPolleres mentioned an example to void 15:12:21 AndyS: what is normative and informative in the SD document 15:12:53 to make example on extensibility by other vocabs informative seems good. 15:13:08 s/is/if/ 15:14:10 AxelPolleres: mention explicitely (ideally with an example) how such extensibility could include 15:14:19 kasei: ok 15:14:33 AxelPolleres: do not need to agree on a vocabulary at the moment, example vocab should work 15:14:47 +1 for mentioning it as an example 15:14:51 along maybe with DARQ 15:15:10 void is undergoing revision anyway. 15:15:22 +1 for AlexPassant 15:16:06 http://darq.sf.net/dose/0.1# is 404 :-( 15:16:17 kasei: will sent tothe list before next t-con 15:16:22 ... will try by the end of the week 15:16:27 ACTION: greg to incorporate an example for extensibility by the end of the week into SD 15:16:27 Created ACTION-117 - Incorporate an example for extensibility by the end of the week into SD [on Gregory Williams - due 2009-10-13]. 15:17:32 Zakim, mute me 15:17:32 kasei should now be muted 15:18:07 topic: entailment regimes doc. 15:19:41 ACTION: ivanH to review sparql-entailment 15:19:41 Sorry, couldn't find user - ivanH 15:19:48 q+ 15:20:42 action: ivan to review sparql-entailement 15:20:42 Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ivan 15:20:42 Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail) 15:21:08 action: ivanherman to review sparql entailement document 15:21:08 Sorry, couldn't find user - ivanherman 15:22:04 ACTION: ivan to review the RDFS part of sparql-entailment 15:22:04 Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ivan 15:22:04 Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail) 15:22:29 ACTION: axel to enter ivan's action manuallty 15:22:29 Created ACTION-118 - Enter ivan's action manuallty [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-10-13]. 15:23:39 -Chimezie_Ogbuji 15:23:45 AxelPolleres: meeting ajourned 15:23:45 bye 15:23:46 -Ivan 15:23:51 bye. And thanks 15:23:51 -[Garlik] 15:23:53 -AlexPassant 15:23:54 -Prateek 15:23:54 -AxelPolleres 15:23:56 -kasei 15:23:57 -pgearon 15:24:01 -OlivierCorby 15:25:35 -AndyS 15:25:36 Team_(sparql)14:03Z has ended 15:25:38 Attendees were Ivan, +1.310.729.aaaa, kasei, AlexPassant, AndyS, AxelPolleres, SteveH, LukeWM, OlivierCorby, Chimezie_Ogbuji, KjetilK, pgearon, +1.617.588.aabb, Prateek 15:28:43 OlivierCorby has left #sparql 15:34:29 RRSAgent, make minutes public 15:34:29 I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', AlexPassant. 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