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12:00:53 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be MAWG
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12:00:54 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference
12:00:54 <trackbot> Date: 06 October 2009
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12:02:08 <Chris> \me I think its wonsuk
12:02:09 <Zakim> +??P11
12:02:49 <raphael> zakim, cmsmcq is wonsuk
12:02:49 <Zakim> +wonsuk; got it
12:03:11 <raphael> Chair: Daniel
12:05:08 <VeroniqueM> review of previous minutes
12:05:16 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Oct/0006.html
12:05:56 <VeroniqueM> TOPIC: previous meeting's minutes
12:05:59 <raphael> Present: Chris, Wonsuk, Veronique, Raphael, Daniel, Werner (IRC)
12:06:08 <raphael> Scribe: veronique
12:06:13 <raphael> Scribenick: VeroniqueM
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12:06:22 <raphael> Present+ Felix
12:06:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/06-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
12:06:28 <VeroniqueM> previous minutes accepted
12:06:41 <VeroniqueM> TOPIC: next week's meeting scribe
12:06:57 <VeroniqueM> ... request will be sent on the mailing list
12:07:04 <VeroniqueM> TOPIC: action items
12:07:20 <VeroniqueM> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
12:07:31 <Zakim> +??P13
12:07:49 <VeroniqueM> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/47
12:07:49 <Chris> I think Werner is only on irc
12:08:16 <daniel> werner: action-47 is still open or closed ?
12:08:19 <VeroniqueM> Daniel: Werner: what is the status of this action item?
12:08:28 <wbailer> action 47 is ongoing
12:08:28 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 47
12:08:54 <VeroniqueM> action 47 still pending
12:08:54 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 47
12:09:16 <daniel> felix are you on the call or only IRC ?
12:09:18 <VeroniqueM> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/124
12:09:33 <raphael> ACTION-124?
12:09:33 <trackbot> ACTION-124 -- Felix Sasaki to check - everybody responsible for a format: add a column describing syntactic information ("data types", see cable lab column "Type") to his table -- due 2009-06-16 -- OPEN
12:09:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/124
12:09:36 <VeroniqueM> Daniel: action on Felix, what is the status?
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12:10:52 <fsasaki> felix: pending, please give me one more week
12:10:54 <VeroniqueM> action 134, 135 149 are on David, not on the call
12:10:54 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 134,
12:11:05 <Zakim> +pchampin
12:11:16 <VeroniqueM> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/155
12:11:28 <VeroniqueM> ACTION 155?
12:11:28 <trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
12:11:49 <VeroniqueM> ACTION-155?
12:11:49 <trackbot> ACTION-155 -- Chris Poppe to and co-editors (wonsuk, florian, victor, werner) to come up for a proposal for a return type for all properties, i.e. structured or unstructured? -- due 2009-09-22 -- OPEN
12:11:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/155
12:12:35 <VeroniqueM> Chris: to be left open until we have a draft version of the document, preliminary info sent to the list
12:13:12 <VeroniqueM> Tobias is not on the call for the next action, so no update
12:13:34 <VeroniqueM> TOPIC: open problems about the API
12:13:56 <VeroniqueM> Chris: pb about how to identify an author or contributor
12:14:19 <VeroniqueM> ... send email to JP Evain to see how it is done at EBU
12:14:37 <VeroniqueM> ...second pb: representing date in WebIDL
12:14:57 <VeroniqueM> ... should contact them to have satisfactory representation
12:15:24 <VeroniqueM> ACTION: Chris to send email about representing date in WebIDL
12:15:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-157 - Send email about representing date in WebIDL [on Chris Poppe - due 2009-10-13].
12:16:51 <VeroniqueM> Daniel: Wonsuk sent a draft to the mailing list, was not taking these problems into account
12:17:44 <VeroniqueM> TOPIC: issue about the definition of the ma:fragments and ma:namedFragments elements
12:17:47 <daniel> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Oct/0005.html
12:17:59 <VeroniqueM> Daniel: Werner, Raphael, any comment?
12:18:25 <VeroniqueM> Raphael: had some exchange about these properties on the mailing list
12:18:42 <VeroniqueM> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Oct/0005.html
12:19:00 <VeroniqueM> ... the problem is that these properties are not defined
12:19:29 <VeroniqueM> ... the opinion and clarification might be only Werner's opinion
12:19:29 <wbailer> it was also pointed out that they are in the mapping table, but not in the ontology document
12:19:56 <VeroniqueM> ... the question is to be sure that this is the group's opinion
12:20:08 <pchampin> are those properties described in the Ontology draft ?
12:20:25 <pchampin> I think they are only in the mapping table...
12:20:44 <Zakim> -wonsuk
12:20:57 <VeroniqueM> even in the mapping table, the types are not fully defined yet
12:21:12 <Zakim> + +1.617.588.aabb - is perhaps wonsuk
12:21:25 <pchampin> +1 Raphael
12:21:35 <VeroniqueM> I think that it would be a good idea to have a look at all the properties and define their meaning
12:21:58 <wbailer> +1
12:22:24 <VeroniqueM> Chris: we can update the API document and add there the definitions
12:23:00 <VeroniqueM> ... and if people disagree with this in the group, comments should be sent on the mailing list
12:23:38 <VeroniqueM> Pchampin: I think that the properties should be defined in the Ontology document
12:23:40 <pchampin> yes, the definition should appear in the ontology doc :)
12:23:41 <VeroniqueM> +1
12:23:49 <wonsuk> +1
12:23:55 <wbailer> +1
12:24:04 <fsasaki> +1
12:24:12 <VeroniqueM> pchampin: so we need an update of the ontology document
12:24:14 <Chris> I agree, the current definitions in the API document are copy-paste of the ontology document anyway
12:24:16 <VeroniqueM> +1
12:24:46 <Chris> who is going to update the ontology document?
12:24:59 <VeroniqueM> Raphael: time to wrap up the discussion on the mailing list and update the ontology doc accordingly
12:25:07 <Chris> +1
12:27:27 <VeroniqueM> Editors can check out together who would update the document, possible candidates are Wonsuk, Veronique, Tobias, and maybe Werner: people who have access to cvs of the document
12:27:38 <VeroniqueM> TOPIC: API document
12:27:58 <Chris> +q
12:28:00 <VeroniqueM> Wonsuk: updated the draft based on everybody's comments and contributions
12:28:10 <daniel> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0.html
12:28:36 <VeroniqueM> ... but does not know when it is appropriate to go for recommendation with this document
12:29:04 <raphael> I suggest to get internal reviews of the document before any publication
12:29:09 <VeroniqueM> ... maybe next thursday is a good moment to have integrated the last comments and go for publication
12:29:27 <VeroniqueM> Daniel: should publish this week or next
12:29:39 <raphael> Process is: a resolution should be taken during a telecon ... where the group agrees to publish
12:29:45 <VeroniqueM> ... Thierry said that we should publish the original draft asap
12:29:54 <VeroniqueM> ... it was due last week
12:30:47 <VeroniqueM> Chris: agree with what Raphael wrote on IRC
12:31:01 <VeroniqueM> ... try to finish the document for next telecon
12:31:42 <VeroniqueM> ... document is not finished yet, should make a less drafty version and we should vote to publish it
12:32:19 <VeroniqueM> Raphael: it is mandatory to have a vote on the  telecon, recorded on the minutes to publish a document
12:32:35 <Chris> We will try finishing it and send it this week, monday latest
12:32:55 <VeroniqueM> Daniel: agree, we need more reviews and a vote, but going only through mailing list is not enough
12:33:10 <VeroniqueM> ... asking for volunteers to review the draft
12:33:17 <pchampin> I just printed it. I'll send a detailed review by thursday :)
12:34:43 <VeroniqueM> Daniel: who is willing to take an action to review the API document for next week?
12:35:13 <VeroniqueM> Chris: agreed that this would be more efficient to update the doc, up to now only minor feedback
12:35:47 <pchampin> make it an action to me :)
12:35:49 <wbailer> I can send a review until Friday morning
12:36:34 <VeroniqueM> ACTION: pchampin to review the API document
12:36:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-158 - Review the API document [on Pierre-Antoine Champin - due 2009-10-13].
12:37:29 <VeroniqueM> ACTION: Werner to send review of the API document
12:37:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-159 - Send review of the API document [on Werner Bailer - due 2009-10-13].
12:38:28 <VeroniqueM> ACTION: Daniel to send an email to the list to get more feedback and reviews for the API document
12:38:28 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Daniel
12:38:55 <VeroniqueM> ACTION: daniel to send an email to the list to get more feedback and reviews for the API document
12:38:55 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - daniel
12:38:59 <pchampin> I'm still not sure
12:39:12 <raphael> trackbot, status
12:39:27 <VeroniqueM> Daniel: who is attending the usability meeting before the TPAC?
12:39:38 <VeroniqueM> Wonsuk: will attend
12:40:06 <VeroniqueM> Daniel: Dave said that it would be interesting for MAWG, in an interaction perspective
12:40:21 <VeroniqueM> Daniel will send a detailed program on the list
12:40:33 <Zakim> -raphael
12:40:35 <fsasaki> bye
12:40:38 <Zakim> -??P11
12:40:39 <Zakim> -Chris
12:40:40 <Zakim> -wonsuk
12:40:45 <Zakim> -Felix
12:41:06 <VeroniqueM> ACTION: Soohong Daniel to send an email to the list to get more feedback and reviews for the API document
12:41:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-160 - Daniel to send an email to the list to get more feedback and reviews for the API document [on Soohong Daniel Park - due 2009-10-13].
12:41:21 <Zakim> -pchampin
12:41:25 <raphael> [meeting adjourned]
12:41:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/06-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
12:42:17 <wbailer> bye
12:42:19 <raphael> Present+ Pierre Antoine
12:42:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/06-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
12:44:02 <raphael> Vero, les minutes en texte: http://cgi.w3.org/cgi-bin/html2txt?url=http://www.w3.org/2009/10/06-mediaann-minutes.html
12:44:20 <raphael> et tu peux envoyer le lien sur la liste :-)
12:44:28 <raphael> ça me parait bien comme ça
12:44:36 <raphael> A+
12:44:48 <VeroniqueM> ciao!
12:44:52 <VeroniqueM> merci!
12:45:05 <Zakim> -veronique
12:45:06 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()8:00AM has ended
12:45:07 <Zakim> Attendees were Chris, +1.617.588.aaaa, raphael, veronique, wonsuk, Felix, pchampin, +1.617.588.aabb
12:47:55 <raphael> zakim, bye
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12:48:00 <raphael> RRSAgent, bye
12:48:00 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/06-mediaann-actions.rdf :
12:48:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chris to send email about representing date in WebIDL [1]
12:48:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/06-mediaann-irc#T12-15-24
12:48:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pchampin to review the API document [2]
12:48:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/06-mediaann-irc#T12-36-34
12:48:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Werner to send review of the API document [3]
12:48:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/06-mediaann-irc#T12-37-29
12:48:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Daniel to send an email to the list to get more feedback and reviews for the API document [4]
12:48:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/06-mediaann-irc#T12-38-28
12:48:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: daniel to send an email to the list to get more feedback and reviews for the API document [5]
12:48:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/06-mediaann-irc#T12-38-55
12:48:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Soohong Daniel to send an email to the list to get more feedback and reviews for the API document [6]
12:48:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/06-mediaann-irc#T12-41-06