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11:32:37 <steph> zakim, this will be mw'd
11:32:37 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, steph
11:32:43 <steph> zakim, this will be mw4d
11:32:43 <Zakim> ok, steph; I see UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 28 minutes
11:32:57 <steph> Meeting:MW4D bi-monthly meeting
11:33:32 <steph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Oct/0009.html
11:36:19 <steph> Chair: Stephane
11:36:22 <steph> Present: Stephane
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11:58:18 <steph> zakim, code ?
11:58:18 <Zakim> the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), steph
11:58:38 <Zakim> UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has now started
11:58:46 <Zakim> +steph
11:58:52 <steph> Hi Raphael
11:59:08 <Zakim> -steph
11:59:09 <Zakim> UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
11:59:09 <Zakim> Attendees were steph
11:59:20 <raphael> Salut Steph
11:59:27 <steph> zakim, who is here ?
11:59:27 <Zakim> apparently UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended, steph
11:59:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see raphael, RRSAgent, Zakim, steph
11:59:32 <raphael> I connect via phone, 1mn
11:59:35 <steph> ok
12:00:02 <Zakim> UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has now started
12:00:09 <Zakim> +steph
12:00:28 <Zakim> + +41.22.730.aaaa
12:00:49 <steph> zakim, aaaa is Raphael
12:00:49 <Zakim> +Raphael; got it
12:00:59 <steph> present+Raphael
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12:06:51 <Zakim> + +91.11.41.29.aabb
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12:07:10 <steph> zakim, aabb is Arun
12:07:10 <Zakim> +Arun; got it
12:07:20 <steph> Present+Arun
12:07:41 <Zakim> + +01312799aacc
12:07:50 <steph> zakim, aacc is renjish
12:07:50 <Zakim> +renjish; got it
12:07:55 <steph> Present+Renjish
12:11:07 <steph> steph: process: this week final version by wed or thurs
12:11:20 <steph> the group agree, then move to W3C like document proof reading and publication
12:11:39 <steph> topic: Acknowledgement section
12:13:19 <raphael> q+
12:13:27 <steph> ack raphael
12:14:37 <ArunKumar> q+
12:15:37 <ArunKumar> q-
12:17:10 <ArunKumar> q+
12:17:42 <ArunKumar> q-
12:19:35 <steph> REsolution: include in the acknowledgment the list of people who actively participated in the group life and doc develoment in the last Six month
12:20:11 <steph> ACTION: draft the list and propose it ot the mailing-list
12:20:20 <steph> ACTION: stephane to draft the list and propose it ot the mailing-list
12:20:27 <ArunKumar> q+
12:20:28 <steph> rrsagent, drop action 1
12:20:42 <steph> ack arunkumar
12:24:02 <ArunKumar> q+
12:24:53 <ArunKumar> q-
12:25:00 <steph> resolution: change acknowledgement to contributors
12:25:07 <raphael> +1
12:25:16 <steph> action: steph to rename the acknowledgement section to contributors
12:25:44 <steph> Topic: integrating health section
12:26:31 <raphael> I don't think it makes a lot of sense, for the points you made and were made in previous sessions
12:27:08 <steph> renjish: discussed one year ago, should not integrate this section in this last phase
12:27:18 <steph> no spcific section to fot
12:27:22 <steph> s/fot/fit/
12:27:43 <steph> Resolution: no integration in this version of the document of a section on health
12:28:02 <steph> Topic: mentionning a R&D direction to integrate  better SMS and the Web 
12:28:02 <steph> (suggested by renjish)
12:31:33 <ArunKumar> q+
12:32:11 <steph> ack arumkumar
12:32:19 <Renjish> SMS forum was working on the encoding aspect http://www.smsforum.net/
12:32:27 <steph> arun: might not be the future
12:32:50 <steph> that's why perhaps there is no investment
12:33:53 <steph> arun: is it worthwile to do it now ?
12:34:54 <raphael> q+
12:35:05 <steph> ack arunkumar
12:35:53 <steph> q+
12:35:58 <ArunKumar> q+
12:36:22 <steph> ack raphael
12:37:16 <steph> raphael: in lots countries, underusage of data service
12:37:32 <steph> gprs cheaper than sms
12:37:38 <ArunKumar> I agree with Raphael ... data and GPRS would soon overtake SMS in the text domain
12:38:00 <ArunKumar> So, it is not a question of voice vs SMS but is SMS the right mode for text modality
12:38:39 <raphael> yes indeed
12:39:26 <raphael> maybe also some level of icons
12:40:02 <raphael> q+
12:40:11 <steph> ack steph
12:41:30 <ArunKumar> q-
12:42:53 <raphael> q-
12:44:17 <ArunKumar> q+
12:44:20 <raphael> +1
12:45:34 <ArunKumar> Yes mentioning the concern is fine
12:45:38 <ArunKumar> q-
12:48:45 <steph> Topic: comments from K. Verclas around SMS centered roadmap
12:51:33 <Renjish> q+
12:52:35 <steph> ack renjish
12:54:04 <raphael> q+
12:54:26 <ArunKumar> q+
12:56:33 <steph> rrsagent, make log public
13:01:41 <Renjish> agreed and that's why it's not the technology itself but other factors that drive technology choice...
13:03:03 <ArunKumar> q-
13:03:09 <raphael> q-
13:04:28 <raphael> For the record, I say that we should mention that data applications are under used and under created, consireing the comparative advantage, cost-wise (GPRS<<SMS)
13:06:20 <raphael> ok with your ccl, Steph
13:06:25 <Renjish> something's missing.. else the market forces would have tilted in favour of GPRS?
13:06:51 <raphael> "market forces" are also telecom op driven
13:08:23 <Renjish> so monopolistic...
13:08:43 <raphael> ohh yes
13:11:01 <raphael> on the good side, it allowed the telco explosion in dev. ctries
13:11:03 <Renjish> It's fine with me
13:11:10 <ArunKumar> 26th is fine with me
13:11:22 <Renjish> Raphael, can we then say that ignorance is the issue? 
13:11:28 <raphael> thanks
13:11:35 <Zakim> -steph
13:11:36 <Zakim> -Arun
13:11:36 <Zakim> -Raphael
13:11:38 <Zakim> -renjish
13:11:38 <Zakim> UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
13:11:40 <Zakim> Attendees were steph, +41.22.730.aaaa, Raphael, +91.11.41.29.aabb, Arun, +01312799aacc, renjish
13:11:44 <steph> rrsagent, make minutes
13:11:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/05-MW4D-minutes.html steph
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