IRC log of xproc on 2009-10-01

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15:00:10 [Norm]
Zakim, this will be xproc
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ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
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XML_PMWG()11:00AM has now started
15:00:53 [Norm]
Zakim, what's the passcode?
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the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Norm
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+[ArborText]
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Regrets: Vojtech, Alex
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+Norm
15:01:50 [ht]
zakim, please call ht-781
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ok, ht; the call is being made
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+Ht
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+MoZ
15:04:37 [Norm]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
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On the phone I see PGrosso, Norm, Ht, MoZ
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Present: Norm, Paul, Henry, Mohamed
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Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
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Date: 1 Oct 2009
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Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/10/01-agenda
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Meeting: 154
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Chair: Norm
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Scribe: Norm
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ScribeNick: Norm
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Topic: Accept this agenda?
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-> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/10/01-agenda
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Approved.
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Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
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-> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/09/17-minutes
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Accepted.
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Topic: Next meeting: telcon 8 Oct 2009
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No regrets heard.
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s/No regrets heard./Mohamed gives possible regrets./
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Topic: Plans for interim CR draft
15:08:17 [Norm]
Norm summarizes the status; getting there but not quite ready.
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Norm: I propose a publication date of 12 Oct with a commitment from the editor to get a new draft available by close-of-business on 8 OCt.
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s/OCt/Oct/
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No objections heard.
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Proposal: Publish the current editor's working draft, with additional changes as seen fit by the editor, as a new interim CR draft on 12 Oct.
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Accepted.
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Topic: Review of open CR issues
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-> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/11/cr-comments/
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Norm: We resolved 163, or rather directed the editor to resolve it, last time.
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Norm summarizes his change to the declared output bindings.
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Proposal: The editor got it right.
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Accepted.
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Proposal: This part of 2.2 has been successfully clarified as well.
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Accepted.
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Norm: I think that closes 163.
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Topic: 166 Steps with no type in p:library
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Norm: I think the status quo is that it isn't an error to do this.
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...but it does seem a little pointless.
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Mohamed: I think we should say something about this.
15:26:27 [Norm]
Norm: I think there are two choices: make it an error or just add a note about it.
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Norm/Mohamed discuss the fact that an implementation-defined mechanism could run them even if they don't have a type.
15:27:00 [Norm]
Paul: I don't think we should make it an error.
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Norm: It looks to me fairly harmless.
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Proposal: Add a note to the spec to inform readers, but not make it an error.
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Accepted.
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Topic: 167 Runtime semantics of p:try
15:29:58 [Norm]
Norm expresses his feeling that p:try is still in the spirit of this rule.
15:30:43 [Norm]
Henry: It is worth putting an explicit note in the spec about this. If all it said was the result of a multi container step will always be the result of exactly one of it's pipelines, that would be true. But that's not quite true for p:try.
15:31:03 [Norm]
...I think we should add "with the possible exception of side-effects in the main branch of a try/catch in which the try fails."
15:31:09 [Norm]
...Pipelines are going to have side effects.
15:32:30 [Norm]
Some discussion of whether or not the xpath expressions in p:when clauses can cause side effects.
15:32:47 [Norm]
Henry: I think it's worth recasting this.
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ACTION: Editor to attempt to clarify this prose, noting that side effects may arise in p:group w/i p:try and from XPath expressions evaluated by p:when or from the bindings within p:xpath-context.
15:34:04 [Norm]
Henry: I'd say "with the possible except of side effects, such as..." so we don't seem to be enumerating them all.
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Topic: Progress on the default processing model?
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Henry reports no progress.
15:35:06 [Norm]
Henry: I will try to get something done before the face-to-face.
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Topic: Any other business
15:36:04 [Norm]
Norm expresses the goal of getting to PR this month.
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Mohamed: Last time I looked at the test suite, coverage wasn't that good. Has it improved?
15:36:29 [Norm]
Norm: I didn't think it was that bad after we added serialization tests.
15:36:39 [ht]
zakim, mute me
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Ht should now be muted
15:37:01 [Norm]
Adjourned.
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-Norm
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-MoZ
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-PGrosso
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RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/01-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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Zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were PGrosso, Norm, Ht, MoZ
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