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15:59:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
15:59:28 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
15:59:29 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
15:59:29 <trackbot> Date: 01 October 2009
15:59:29 <Zakim> +carlos
15:59:44 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
15:59:44 <Zakim> + +49.251.8.aaaa
15:59:44 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:59:45 <Zakim> +Mike
16:00:00 <julian> Zakim, +49.251.8.aaaa is me
16:00:00 <Zakim> +julian; got it
16:00:04 <Zakim> +mjs
16:00:05 <julian> Zakim, mute me
16:00:05 <Zakim> julian should now be muted
16:00:19 <mjs> I recommend opening the agenda email to follow along: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009JulSep/0048.html
16:00:34 <anne-elsewhere> Zakim, passcode?
16:00:34 <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), anne-elsewhere
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16:01:01 <mjs> any volunteers to scribe while we wait for people to dial?
16:01:02 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
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16:01:27 <Zakim> +??P27
16:01:39 <plh> zakim, passcode?
16:01:39 <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), plh
16:01:39 <anne-elsewhere> Zakim, ??p27 is me
16:01:42 <Zakim> +anne-elsewhere; got it
16:02:06 <mjs> can someone remind me how to get Zakim to nominate a scribe?
16:02:13 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:02:20 <anne2> Zakim, nominate scribe
16:02:20 <Zakim> I don't understand 'nominate scribe', anne2
16:02:25 <julian> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:02:25 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose laura
16:02:28 <Zakim> +Philippe
16:02:41 <Zakim> +Masinter
16:02:51 <mjs> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:02:51 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose carlos
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16:03:19 <mjs> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:03:20 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose anne-elsewhere
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16:04:01 <MikeSmith> scribe: MikeSmith 
16:04:23 <mjs> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009JulSep/0048.html
16:04:33 <MikeSmith> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009JulSep/0048.html
16:04:41 <MikeSmith> Topic: Review of due and overdue action items
16:04:49 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:04:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/01-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
16:05:20 <MikeSmith> issue-41?
16:05:20 <trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Decentralized extensibility -- RAISED
16:05:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/41
16:05:46 <paulc> I have having a hard time hearing the speaker.
16:05:55 <Zakim> +Eliot_Graff
16:06:18 <paulc> Carlos: Can you mute?
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16:06:52 <plh> zakim, mute Philippe
16:06:52 <Zakim> Philippe should now be muted
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16:07:26 <MikeSmith> mjs: continue the e-mail discussion on issue 41, close the action item
16:07:38 <MikeSmith> mjs: any comments?
16:08:05 <MikeSmith> action-97: adrian posted proposal
16:08:05 <trackbot> ACTION-97 Following SVG-in-HTML thread, propose decentralized extensibility strategy for HTML5 notes added
16:08:14 <MikeSmith> close action-97
16:08:14 <trackbot> ACTION-97 Following SVG-in-HTML thread, propose decentralized extensibility strategy for HTML5 closed
16:08:26 <MikeSmith> issue-7?
16:08:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-7 -- codec support and the <video> element -- OPEN
16:08:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/7
16:08:36 <MikeSmith> action-130?
16:08:36 <trackbot> ACTION-130 -- David Singer to review status of video codec positions -- due 2009-10-01 -- OPEN
16:08:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/130
16:08:42 <mjs> http://www.w3.org/2009/09/acc-media-html-gathering.html 
16:09:02 <MikeSmith> mjs: there will be an accessible media workshop prior to TPAC
16:09:09 <Zakim> + +2134037aabb
16:09:19 <MikeSmith> mjs: objections pot postponing the date on the action?
16:09:38 <MikeSmith> action 130 due 2009-10-15
16:09:38 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 130
16:09:46 <MikeSmith> action-130 due 2009-10-15
16:09:46 <trackbot> ACTION-130 Review status of video codec positions due date now 2009-10-15
16:09:55 <MikeSmith> issue-76?
16:09:55 <trackbot> ISSUE-76 -- Concerns about Microdata section and inclusion/exclusion of RDFa -- OPEN
16:09:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/76
16:10:10 <MikeSmith> mjs: Manu not here this week, we can have him give an update next wee 
16:10:19 <MikeSmith> s/next wee/next week/
16:10:28 <MikeSmith> ... and figure out what the next steps are
16:10:38 <MikeSmith> action-141?
16:10:38 <trackbot> ACTION-141 -- Maciej Stachowiak to document Last Call comment process -- due 2009-09-30 -- OPEN
16:10:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/141
16:10:48 <Zakim> +Cooper
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16:11:05 <masinter> link issue 76 with distributed extensibility issue?
16:11:05 <MikeSmith> mjs: chairs believe it's important to document our process for dealing with LC comments
16:11:25 <MikeSmith> mjs: we are going to have a lot of LC comments, more than most other W3C specs in recent memory
16:11:49 <MikeSmith> ... we want to be able to have a process to try to deal with most issues very quickly
16:12:06 <MikeSmith> mjs: we believe we can start using the process now
16:12:10 <masinter> +1 for documenting process for handling WG members pre-LC comments
16:12:27 <MikeSmith> mjs: a need a few more days for chairs to complete the discussion
16:12:39 <MikeSmith> mjs: questions or comments on this?
16:12:52 <MikeSmith> masinter: I think the process for WG comments and handling also be formal
16:13:01 <MikeSmith> ... start the process now, whether or not we're in LC yet
16:13:21 <MikeSmith> action-141 due 2009-10-8
16:13:21 <trackbot> ACTION-141 Document Last Call comment process due date now 2009-10-8
16:13:33 <MikeSmith> issue-32?
16:13:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-32 -- how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation? -- OPEN
16:13:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32
16:13:53 <MikeSmith> action-145 due 2009-10-15
16:13:53 <trackbot> ACTION-145 Update table summary draft due date now 2009-10-15
16:14:22 <MikeSmith> action-146?
16:14:22 <trackbot> ACTION-146 -- Paul Cotton to ask for a volunteer to run the testing Task Force -- due 2009-10-08 -- OPEN
16:14:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/146
16:14:26 <MikeSmith> action-148?
16:14:26 <trackbot> ACTION-148 -- Paul Cotton to recruit a Task Force facilitator for the HTML WG -- due 2009-10-08 -- OPEN
16:14:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/148
16:14:42 <MikeSmith> action-146: Paul sent email to the list
16:14:42 <trackbot> ACTION-146 Ask for a volunteer to run the testing Task Force notes added
16:14:59 <MikeSmith> action-148: paulc sent email to the list
16:14:59 <trackbot> ACTION-148 Recruit a Task Force facilitator for the HTML WG notes added
16:15:07 <MikeSmith> close action-146
16:15:07 <trackbot> ACTION-146 Ask for a volunteer to run the testing Task Force closed
16:15:13 <MikeSmith> close action-148
16:15:13 <trackbot> ACTION-148 Recruit a Task Force facilitator for the HTML WG closed
16:15:33 <MikeSmith> paulc: I have not completed yet the action that requires some discussion with Manu
16:15:42 <MikeSmith> issue-54?
16:15:42 <trackbot> ISSUE-54 -- tools that can't generate <!DOCTYPE html> -- CLOSED
16:15:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/54
16:15:54 <MikeSmith> action-103?
16:15:54 <trackbot> ACTION-103 -- Lachlan Hunt to register about: URI scheme -- due 2009-09-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:15:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/103
16:16:13 <MikeSmith> mjs: we should file an issue in the HTML5 CR component
16:16:31 <paulc> BTW Action-147 from Paul is still outstanding (http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/147
16:16:44 <MikeSmith> masinter: there comments on this that the author hasn't responded to
16:16:53 <MikeSmith> mjs: any volunteers to report on it?
16:17:04 <MikeSmith> mjs: otherwise, I am OK with closing the action
16:17:34 <paulc> I changed due date on ACTION-147 to next week.
16:18:36 <MikeSmith> mjs: the action came about because we added about:legacy-compat as a part of the "legacy" doctype for XSLT engines to generate
16:19:02 <MikeSmith> masinter: but the draft of the about: scheme registration didn't even mention about:legacy-compat
16:19:21 <MikeSmith> masinter: is there a way to track this differently?
16:19:48 <MikeSmith> anne2: we have a bunch of similar cases of scheme registrations that we will need to deal with, this is not unique
16:20:16 <MikeSmith> mjs: yeah, we don't need to track this separately, so seems like we can close this action
16:20:38 <MikeSmith> masinter: point is to check the normative references and see if they have progressed
16:20:45 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:20:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/01-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
16:21:11 <MikeSmith> masinter: even of the URI documents are not approved, still want to be able to track -- just asking
16:21:34 <MikeSmith> mjs: part of what we need to do before PR transition is check all the normative references ourselves
16:21:59 <MikeSmith> masinter: just trying to figure out how we plan to keep track of the technical dependencies
16:22:08 <MikeSmith> close action-103
16:22:08 <trackbot> ACTION-103 Register about: URI scheme closed
16:22:10 <paulc> I expect we will get LC comments on the exact references and their status.
16:22:24 <MikeSmith> mjs: any other comments?
16:22:38 <MikeSmith> Topic: New issues this week
16:22:50 <MikeSmith> issue-81?
16:22:50 <trackbot> ISSUE-81 -- Offline Web Applications section should use the term "representation" instead of "resource" -- RAISED
16:22:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/81
16:23:16 <MikeSmith> mjs: bunch of discussion on the list, mostly a matter of word choice
16:23:20 <anne2> paulc, yeah, we just need to check it every now and then, but it goes for a lot of the references
16:23:26 <MikeSmith> ... anybody have anything to say on this issue?
16:24:36 <Julian> zakim, unmute me
16:24:36 <Zakim> julian should no longer be muted
16:24:54 <Julian> q+ to say that it's also about the spec being inconsistent in itself
16:24:55 <MikeSmith> masinter: I think I'll comment on the list -- there's the URL terminology but this is separate... issue really is -- if you consider it an issue -- about whether it's a problem to have the same terms used differently in this document as compared to existing documents
16:25:28 <mjs> ack Julian
16:25:28 <Zakim> Julian, you wanted to say that it's also about the spec being inconsistent in itself
16:25:31 <MikeSmith> masinter: and confused use of resource vs representation can lead to problems in discussion of, e.g., conneg
16:26:06 <MikeSmith> Julian: it's also a problem in that use of the term "resource" is internally inconsistent in the spec itself
16:26:06 <Julian> zakim, mute me
16:26:06 <Zakim> julian should now be muted
16:26:12 <MikeSmith> mjs: other comments?
16:26:18 <MikeSmith> issue-82?
16:26:18 <trackbot> ISSUE-82 -- Suggested replacement for head/@profile does not provide for disambiguation -- RAISED
16:26:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/82
16:27:03 <MikeSmith> mjs: this is about details of the UA processing requirements for head/@profile
16:27:09 <MikeSmith> issue-83?
16:27:09 <trackbot> ISSUE-83 -- Use of the dt and dd elements in figure and details content models -- RAISED
16:27:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/83
16:27:57 <MikeSmith> mjs: this is capturing the objection that this reuse of dt and dd extends their semantics
16:28:02 <MikeSmith> mjs: any comments?
16:28:19 <MikeSmith> issue-84?
16:28:19 <trackbot> ISSUE-84 -- Should spec discourage use of "legacy" doctypes? -- RAISED
16:28:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/84
16:28:59 <MikeSmith> mjs: we discussed the about:legacy form of the doctype
16:29:19 <MikeSmith> q+ to ask for clarification
16:29:33 <Julian> zakim, unmute me
16:29:33 <Zakim> julian should no longer be muted
16:29:57 <MikeSmith> Julian, is this about about:legacy doctype or about the XHTML 1.0 and HTML 4.01 doctypes?
16:30:31 <mjs> End of section 9.1.1
16:30:31 <anne2> "The DOCTYPE legacy string should not be used unless the document is generated from a system that cannot output the shorter string.
16:30:32 <anne2> "
16:30:52 <Julian> Mike, originally the former
16:30:55 <anne2> -- http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#doctype-legacy-string
16:32:12 <MikeSmith> Julian: I raised it because of the about:legacy doctype, but in discussion about this on IRC, the point was made that it doesn't make sense to discourage any conforming doctypes that trigger standards mode
16:32:58 <Julian> zakim, mute me
16:32:58 <Zakim> julian should now be muted
16:33:14 <MikeSmith> Topic: Status of Call For Consensus emails
16:33:34 <MikeSmith> mjs: I sent a CfC: Create Testing Task Force message
16:33:52 <MikeSmith> mjs: so if you have objections or comments, follow up to that e-mail
16:34:04 <MikeSmith> mjs: any questions or comments now?
16:34:21 <MikeSmith> mjs: I also sent a CfC: Create HTML Accessibility Task Force message
16:34:33 <MikeSmith> ... but I did not cite the actual work statement
16:34:45 <MikeSmith> ... paulc followed up by posting a link to the actual work statement
16:35:08 <MikeSmith> ... and I will follow up to make clear that everybody should review the actual work statement
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16:35:13 <MikeSmith> ... my mistake..
16:35:21 <MikeSmith> mjs: questions or comments?
16:35:34 <MikeSmith> Topic: Scribe for next meeting
16:35:48 <MikeSmith> mjs: I think rubys will be chairing
16:36:22 <MikeSmith> mjs: I you volunteer to scribe, you will receive many 11brownie points
16:36:49 <MikeSmith> plh, you volunteering?
16:36:57 <plh> yes, I volunteered
16:37:00 <anne2> Zakim, who is on the phone?
16:37:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see laura, carlos, julian (muted), Mike, mjs, Cynthia_Shelly, anne-elsewhere, [Microsoft], Philippe (muted), Masinter, Eliot_Graff, kliehm, Cooper
16:37:15 <plh> zakim, who's muted?
16:37:15 <Zakim> I see julian, Philippe muted
16:37:20 <MikeSmith> scribe will be plh 
16:37:21 <anne2> Zakim, unmute philippe
16:37:21 <Zakim> Philippe should no longer be muted
16:37:46 <MikeSmith> mjs: any final questions or comments before we adjourn?
16:38:01 <MikeSmith> masinter: there will be an IETF meeting the week after the TPAC
16:38:02 <paulc> special hotel rate for TPAC expires on Oct 12.
16:38:16 <MikeSmith> masinter: anybody else planning to be at the IETF meeting?
16:38:18 <masinter> i'll email it
16:38:37 <masinter> it's in Japan, MikeSmith
16:38:39 <Julian> http://www.ietf.org/meeting/76/
16:38:46 <MikeSmith> mjs: yeah, we should highlight that to the group
16:39:00 <MikeSmith> masinter, I will probably still be in the US that week
16:39:03 <masinter> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki
16:39:06 <Julian> IETF 76 - Hiroshima, Japan  November 8-13 2009
16:40:09 <MikeSmith> [adjourned]
16:40:11 <Zakim> -julian
16:40:12 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
16:40:12 <Zakim> -Masinter
16:40:13 <Zakim> -Philippe
16:40:14 <cardona507> thanks
16:40:14 <Zakim> -anne-elsewhere
16:40:17 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:40:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/01-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
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16:40:25 <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop Mike
16:40:25 <Zakim> Mike is being disconnected
16:40:26 <Zakim> -Mike
16:40:48 <Zakim> -mjs
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17:30:43 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
17:30:45 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
17:30:46 <Zakim> Attendees were laura, carlos, Mike, julian, mjs, Cynthia_Shelly, anne-elsewhere, [Microsoft], Philippe, Masinter, Eliot_Graff, +2134037aabb, kliehm, Cooper
17:33:42 <plh> zakim, bye
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