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12:44:02 <Holger> zakim, this will be INC_SSN
12:44:02 <Zakim> ok, Holger; I see INC_SSN()9:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes
12:44:19 <Holger> agenda+ Roll call
12:44:39 <Holger> agenda+ Status and next steps Semantic Markup
12:44:48 <Holger> agenda+ Status and next steps SSN Ontology
12:45:00 <Holger> AOB
12:45:24 <Holger> Meeting: SSN XG 29-September-2009
12:45:34 <Holger> Chair: Holger
12:47:59 <Holger> Regrets: Simon, Payam
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12:53:17 <Zakim> INC_SSN()9:00AM has now started
12:53:24 <Zakim> + +036223aaaa
12:53:40 <Holger> zakim, +036223aaaa is ma.
12:53:40 <Zakim> +ma; got it
12:53:46 <Holger> zakim, +036223aaaa is me.
12:53:46 <Zakim> sorry, Holger, I do not recognize a party named '+036223aaaa'
12:54:00 <Holger> zakim, ma is me.
12:54:00 <Zakim> +Holger; got it
12:55:26 <Holger> zakim, who's on the phone?
12:55:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger
12:56:10 <kerry> holger, what is the conference code please? i've lost it
12:56:39 <Holger> 7769
12:57:25 <kerry> thanks -- that is what i tried the first time...
12:57:53 <Holger> yeah, didn't work the first time for me either.. 
12:57:56 <Zakim> +??P1
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12:58:14 <kerry> zakim ??P1 is me
12:58:31 <kerry> zakim, ??P1 is me
12:58:31 <Zakim> +kerry; got it
12:58:41 <Zakim> +msporny
12:58:49 <Zakim> -msporny
12:59:05 <Zakim> +msporny
12:59:45 <michael_> zakim, msporny is me
12:59:45 <Zakim> +michael_; got it
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13:00:12 <Zakim> +??P3
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13:01:07 <Zakim> +??P6
13:01:15 <Zakim> + +0238059aabb
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13:01:48 <krp> zakim, +0238059aabb is me
13:01:48 <Zakim> +krp; got it
13:01:53 <Zakim> + +1.202.408.aacc
13:02:07 <Zakim> +??P9
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13:02:42 <Arthur> zakim, ??P9 is  me
13:02:42 <Zakim> +Arthur; got it
13:03:02 <Holger> zakim, who's on the phone?
13:03:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger, kerry, michael_, ??P3, ??P6, krp, +1.202.408.aacc, Arthur
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13:06:30 <Zakim> +??P11
13:06:40 <Holger> zakim, who's on the phone?
13:06:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger, kerry, michael_, ??P3, ??P6, krp, +1.202.408.aacc, Arthur, ??P11
13:07:06 <victor> zakim, ??P11 is CTIC
13:07:06 <Zakim> +CTIC; got it
13:07:21 <Holger> agenda?
13:07:22 <victor> zakim, CTIC is temporarily me
13:07:26 <Zakim> +victor; got it
13:08:00 <Holger> agenda+ AOB
13:08:30 <Holger> ScribeNick: victor
13:08:53 <Zakim> +??P13
13:09:24 <Zakim> +Prateek
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13:11:58 <victor> Topic: New Group Member
13:13:47 <kerry> url for face to face meeting http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/F2f09
13:14:15 <Holger> agenda?
13:14:26 <victor> Topic: Status and next steps Semantic Markup
13:14:51 <Holger> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Semantic_Mark_up
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13:15:45 <victor> cory: We have done a review of projects about Semantic Markup (projects, ...)
13:16:29 <AmitS> Cory-- please put the link
13:16:45 <cory> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Semantic_Mark_up
13:17:00 <victor> ... there are 2 main techniques
13:17:09 <victor> ... one of the main techniques is xlink
13:17:58 <victor> .... other aproach is rdf
13:18:20 <victor> ... rdf examples are related to the use of html
13:18:38 <AmitS> if we use RDFa approach, can we get the power of MREF?
13:19:35 <AmitS> +q AmitS
13:19:49 <victor> cory: next steps: further investigation of the two approaches and comparison
13:20:08 <Luis_Bermudez> +q
13:20:52 <Holger> ack AmitS
13:22:16 <victor> AmitS: Study viability of those techniques and integration with ontology
13:23:26 <victor> Luis_Bermudez: We need to define the minimun sensor ontology in order to identify what to add with annotations
13:23:28 <Holger> ack Luis_Bermudez
13:24:36 <krp> +q
13:26:02 <victor> Luis_Bermudez: All the necessary elements are in OGC standards, but we need to identify the parts that we need to use
13:27:23 <michael_> +q
13:27:28 <victor> Luis_Bermudez: Telecom to discuss minimun ontology?
13:28:28 <Holger> ack michael_
13:28:32 <victor> michael_: we can discuss minimun ontology in the f2f
13:28:37 <Holger> ack krp
13:32:13 <victor> Holger: what should be the next steps in the semantic markup?
13:32:57 <victor> cory: Investigation in issues about markup languages and mapping techniques
13:33:26 <victor> action?
13:34:02 <victor> ACTION: cory to define wp in semantic markup and put it on the wiki, all to contribute
13:34:16 <michael_> minimal ontology http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Key_Sensor_Concepts
13:34:24 <victor> Topic: Status and next steps SSN Ontology
13:34:30 <michael_> work packages http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Suggested_Ontology_Working_Packages
13:36:00 <victor> michael_: Diagrams in the wiki describe concepts, properties and relations
13:37:48 <Luis_Bermudez> +q
13:37:56 <Holger> ack Luis_Bermudez
13:39:45 <victor> Luis_Bermudez: observation is linked to sensor, sensor is not a process
13:40:27 <victor> michael_: it could be discuss
13:42:31 <victor> ... discussed
13:44:28 <victor> Luis_Bermudez: Minimun ontology has some concepts different from OGC standards
13:44:28 <kerry> +q
13:44:44 <Holger> ack kerry
13:44:49 <krp> +q
13:44:57 <michael_> +q
13:45:33 <Holger> ack krp
13:46:41 <Holger> ack michael_
13:47:18 <Luis_Bermudez> +q
13:48:04 <Holger> ack Luis_Bermudez
13:48:07 <kerry> the lexicon will have neduring value as annotation in the ontology anyway
13:48:28 <krp> So before I've tried dumping the definitions from the start of the SensorML and O&M specs
13:48:36 <krp> (it's a fun way of starting arguments ;)  )
13:48:45 <michael_> a page on the wiki for both markup and ontology
13:49:58 <victor> ACTION: everybody to take a look to the ontology wp
13:50:42 <victor> ACTION: Michael and Holger to define a lexicon for the ontology
13:50:50 <victor> Topic: AOB
13:51:17 <kerry> Luis, can you provide a mobile number in case we miss the door?
13:51:45 <victor> Luis_Bermudez: Place ready to f2f
13:52:12 <kerry> +q
13:52:40 <kerry> -q
13:53:02 <victor> ACTION: Everybody to put in the wiki if they are going to attend the f2f
13:53:16 <kerry> +q
13:54:24 <victor> Holger: There will not be meetings in october
14:00:06 <kerry> +q
14:00:18 <victor> Holger: Take a look to the wiki pages
14:00:39 <Zakim> -michael_
14:00:40 <Luis_Bermudez> chao
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14:00:43 <Zakim> -victor
14:00:46 <Zakim> - +1.202.408.aacc
14:00:47 <Zakim> -Holger
14:00:51 <Zakim> -kerry
14:00:59 <Zakim> -??P3
14:01:05 <Zakim> -Arthur
14:01:20 <Holger> zakim, bye
14:01:20 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Holger, kerry, michael_, krp, +1.202.408.aacc, Arthur, victor, Prateek
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14:01:21 <victor> Holger, are you going to draft the minutes? or should I do this?
14:01:38 <Holger> I'll do it, thanks, Victor.
14:01:49 <victor> ok, thank you
14:01:51 <victor> bye
14:01:51 <Holger> rrsagent, make log public
14:02:10 <Holger> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:02:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/29-ssn-minutes.html Holger
14:02:40 <Holger> rrsagent, bye 
14:02:40 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/29-ssn-actions.rdf :
14:02:40 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cory to define wp in semantic markup and put it on the wiki, all to contribute [1]
14:02:40 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/29-ssn-irc#T13-34-02
14:02:40 <RRSAgent> ACTION: everybody to take a look to the ontology wp [2]
14:02:40 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/29-ssn-irc#T13-49-58
14:02:40 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael and Holger to define a lexicon for the ontology [3]
14:02:40 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/29-ssn-irc#T13-50-42
14:02:40 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Everybody to put in the wiki if they are going to attend the f2f [4]
14:02:40 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/29-ssn-irc#T13-53-02