12:54:15 RRSAgent has joined #swxg 12:54:15 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-irc 12:54:28 rrsagent, set logs world-visible 12:55:31 zakim, who is on call? 12:55:31 I don't understand your question, mischat. 12:56:13 zakim, who is here? 12:56:13 sorry, mischat, I don't know what conference this is 12:56:14 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, mischat, cperey, hhalpin, FabGandon, tinkster, bblfish, AlexPassant, karl, trackbot 12:56:24 agenda+ "Convene SWXG WG meeting of 2009-09-16T13:00-15:00Z" 12:56:37 agenda+ "General Organization and Task Forces" 12:56:37 pchampin has joined #swxg 12:56:42 zakim, who's on the phone? 12:56:42 sorry, mischat, I don't know what conference this is 12:56:44 On IRC I see pchampin, RRSAgent, Zakim, mischat, cperey, hhalpin, FabGandon, tinkster, bblfish, AlexPassant, karl, trackbot 12:56:50 agenda+ "Invited Guest Invitations" 12:57:00 agenda+ "User Stories" 12:57:11 agenda+ "Invited Guest - Ros Lawler of Random House" 12:57:12 what is the conference name "swxg" ? 12:57:19 Adam has joined #swxg 12:57:49 zakim isn't picking up the phone numbers 12:57:53 dialing in 12:58:37 rreck has joined #SWXG 12:58:50 melvster1 has joined #swxg 12:59:29 trackbot, start telcon 12:59:31 RRSAgent, make logs world 12:59:33 Zakim, this will be 7994 12:59:33 ok, trackbot; I see INC_SWXG()9:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute 12:59:34 Meeting: Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference 12:59:34 Date: 23 September 2009 12:59:53 zakim, who's on the phone? 12:59:53 INC_SWXG()9:00AM has not yet started, karl 12:59:54 On IRC I see melvster, rreck, Adam, pchampin, RRSAgent, Zakim, mischat, cperey, hhalpin, FabGandon, tinkster, bblfish, AlexPassant, karl, trackbot 13:00:16 PhilA2 has joined #swxg 13:00:35 zakim, who's on the phone? 13:00:35 INC_SWXG()9:00AM has not yet started, karl 13:00:36 On IRC I see PhilA2, melvster, rreck, Adam, pchampin, RRSAgent, Zakim, mischat, cperey, hhalpin, FabGandon, tinkster, bblfish, AlexPassant, karl, trackbot 13:00:38 DKA has joined #swxg 13:01:07 zakim, what time is it? ;) 13:01:07 I'm glad that smiley is there, karl 13:01:30 zakim, what is the code? 13:01:30 the conference code is 7994 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), DKA 13:01:40 zakim, who's on the phone? 13:01:40 INC_SWXG()9:00AM has not yet started, karl 13:01:41 On IRC I see DKA, PhilA2, melvster, rreck, Adam, pchampin, RRSAgent, Zakim, mischat, cperey, hhalpin, FabGandon, tinkster, bblfish, AlexPassant, karl, trackbot 13:02:04 zakim, what conferences do you see? 13:02:04 I see INC_SWXG()9:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM active 13:02:05 also scheduled at this time are WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM, DIG_WSRI()8:00AM 13:02:06 i dont see conference entry messages 13:02:30 hi 13:02:41 zakim, this will be INC_SWXG 13:02:41 ok, karl, I see INC_SWXG()9:00AM already started 13:02:43 +cperey 13:02:46 zakim, who's on the phone? 13:02:46 On the phone I see pchampin, +1.617.800.aaaa, +1.314.683.aabb, ??P5, mauro, Phil_Archer, ??P12, bblfish, cperey 13:02:50 -??P5 13:02:59 + +1.774.811.aacc 13:03:01 - +1.617.800.aaaa 13:03:09 zakim, aacc is me 13:03:09 +DKA; got it 13:03:14 +mauro.a 13:03:15 +??P5 13:03:21 zakim, who is here? 13:03:21 On the phone I see pchampin, +1.314.683.aabb, mauro, Phil_Archer, ??P12, bblfish, cperey, DKA, mauro.a, ??P5 13:03:21 Zakim, ??P5 is me 13:03:22 Zakim, ??P5 is hha;pin 13:03:24 Zakim, ??P5 is hhalpin 13:03:25 On IRC I see DKA, PhilA2, melvster, rreck, Adam, pchampin, RRSAgent, Zakim, mischat, cperey, hhalpin, FabGandon, tinkster, bblfish, AlexPassant, karl, trackbot 13:03:31 +AlexPassant; got it 13:03:31 I already had ??P5 as AlexPassant, hhalpin 13:03:33 I already had ??P5 as AlexPassant, hhalpin 13:03:35 +??P17 13:03:39 -??P12 13:03:39 Zakim, next agendum 13:03:41 agendum 1. ""Convene SWXG WG meeting of 2009-09-16T13:00-15:00Z"" taken up [from hhalpin] 13:03:46 have you just joined as well hhalpin ? 13:03:51 + +1.617.800.aadd 13:03:52 hajons has joined #swxg 13:03:53 chair: hhalpin 13:04:00 scribe: Karl Dubost 13:04:01 zakim, ??P17 is mischat 13:04:01 +mischat; got it 13:04:03 -AlexPassant 13:04:03 +??P12 13:04:10 zakim, mute me 13:04:10 mischat should now be muted 13:04:13 Zakim, who's in on the phone 13:04:13 I don't understand 'who's in on the phone', hhalpin 13:04:14 Zakim, who's in on the phone? 13:04:17 I don't understand your question, hhalpin. 13:04:18 Zakim, who's on the phone? 13:04:21 On the phone I see pchampin, +1.314.683.aabb, mauro, Phil_Archer, bblfish, cperey, DKA, mauro.a, mischat (muted), +1.617.800.aadd, ??P12 13:04:21 Zakim, ??P12 is me 13:04:23 zakim, +1.617.800.aadd is karl 13:04:26 +melvster; got it 13:04:30 +??P5 13:04:32 +karl; got it 13:04:33 Zakim, ??P5 is me 13:04:34 +AlexPassant; got it 13:04:44 Present: pchampin, +1.314.683.aabb, mauro, Phil_Archer, bblfish, cperey, DKA, mauro.a, mischat (muted), karl, AlexPassant 13:05:01 PROPOSED: to approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 16th September 2009 (only text IRC notes!) as a true record. 13:05:13 http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html 13:05:22 + +46.1.08.01.aaee 13:05:33 +1 13:05:39 APPROVED: SWXG WG Weekly -- 16th September 2009 as a true record. 13:05:48 hehe 13:05:56 danbri has joined #swxg 13:06:14 [DONE] ACTION: hhalpin needs to convert previous minutes into HTML via some scripting 13:06:33 zakim, aabb is me 13:06:33 +Adam; got it 13:06:35 Topic: Intro 13:06:36 Meet again next Sept 30th. 13:06:46 hhalpin: we should get Saint-Andre for XMPP 13:06:53 +??P19 13:06:54 Zakim, next agendum 13:06:55 agendum 2. ""General Organization and Task Forces"" taken up [from hhalpin] 13:07:14 Include the open day work.. 13:07:37 mib_g2l1c51j has joined #swxg 13:07:47 zzzz: We are on a track … 13:07:57 MacTed has joined #swxg 13:08:10 ... 200 people for the venue 13:08:16 zakim, who is making noise? 13:08:20 ... It will be like a barcamp event 13:08:29 mischat, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: karl (3%) 13:08:33 +OpenLink_Software 13:08:45 Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily MacTed 13:08:45 +MacTed; got it 13:08:47 ... we will have opportunity to learn about social networking 13:08:47 Zakim, mute me 13:08:47 MacTed should now be muted 13:08:56 ... and @@blabla 13:09:10 oshani has joined #swxg 13:09:20 ... christine proposed an agenda 13:09:28 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Planning_for_TPAC_Open_Day 13:09:36 ... we need to add some sessions 13:09:54 +??P21 13:09:56 +MIT531 13:10:44 ... w3c wishes we are using channels of w3c for communicating? 13:10:49 so the name of the wiki page needs to be modified! 13:11:10 henry? 13:11:22 bblfish: there will be cakes 13:11:33 You had me at "cakes." 13:11:41 ... there will be a cantine 13:11:46 ... (kind of restaurant) 13:11:49 so we need a registration system. Who has one of those? 13:12:03 for registration I'd use eventbrite.com 13:12:06 ... We need to have a place where people can sign-up 13:12:07 seems to work well. 13:12:08 exactly, we need a web page 13:12:12 ... barcamp alike 13:12:44 what about speaker invites? 13:13:07 can we brainstorm some speaker names? 13:13:12 on wiki or on the call? 13:13:38 s/zzzz/DKA/ 13:13:46 not choppy here 13:14:02 agreed 13:14:12 can you please propose a day/time? 13:14:43 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Planning_for_TPAC_Open_Day <--at the bottom of the page is a place for invites 13:14:54 "before the call" 13:15:07 DKA: We could meet before the call next week 13:15:30 bblfish: If people could attend identity workshop 13:15:38 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Sep/0050.html 13:15:45 Suggest a tag line for the event "Advancing the Cause of the Social Web." 13:15:48 http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/ 13:15:52 I should be there 13:15:57 ... Most of the good speakers will be at the identity workshop. 13:16:05 http://iiw9.eventbrite.com/ 13:16:06 barcamp uses it too 13:16:10 I've used Eventbrite - seems good 13:16:15 ... I will be there 13:16:36 +tinkster 13:16:48 ... should we start something for the open social web day 13:17:01 ... It would be good if people could attend. 13:17:16 Thursday on TPAC 13:17:18 ... We will have two days at the TPAC but it's kind possible to attend both 13:17:21 Open Developer Day 13:17:31 ... On TPAC, there will be also the Open Developer Day. 13:17:49 We are also looking for one or two speakers to talk about Social Web to the people at the developer day. 13:18:05 ... We are also looking for one or two speakers to speak about Social web things at the Open Developer Day. 13:18:10 ... Please register asap 13:18:18 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Sep/0051.html 13:18:31 hhalpin: there is a suggestion to change the telcon time 13:18:39 6:00 AM in California 13:18:41 Topic: Telcon time 13:18:50 ... it is a bit early on the west coast 13:19:08 If we kept the same day but moved the call back 2 hours. 13:19:10 +1 13:19:13 +1 13:19:13 +1 13:19:13 +1 13:19:13 ... How many people would be ok if we keep the same day 13:19:14 +1 13:19:15 +1 13:19:15 2 hours would be fine for me. 13:19:16 +1 13:19:18 two hours 13:19:20 but two hours. 13:19:21 +1 I would be fine. 13:19:22 -1 13:19:29 +1 13:19:29 -1 (work reasons) 13:19:54 what about just an hour later? 13:19:57 bear in mind that daylight savings is coming up soon. 13:20:01 q+ DanBri 13:20:03 ack DanBri 13:20:13 yes, that messes things up 13:20:43 karl: I will not be able to move my time because of my work in a Web agency 13:20:45 Make it 2 hours LATER 13:20:52 ... that's fine though. change the time 13:20:56 So 15:00UTC 13:21:06 Karl - can you do 2 hours later? 13:21:07 RESOLUTION: Telconf is moved at 15:00 UTC 13:21:24 (was there a resolution already?) 13:21:33 Let's not change it quite yet 13:21:40 Let me run this by some of the people in San Fran 13:21:44 :) resolution might be changed ;) 13:21:48 They actually trying to participate. 13:21:52 it would be slightly easier to change it after we are all aligned 13:21:57 after change of daylight savings 13:22:11 california has daylight saving too, normally its 1-2 weeks within the european change 13:22:52 aaa: it's not sure we will get more participants by moving the time 13:22:52 I have tried changing times of calls to suit different people before now - and in that case the people we changed to accommodate - didn't ever show up :-( 13:22:53 I agree, 8 is limit 9am would be something 13:22:57 hhalpin: somepeople asked 13:23:02 ... so we could try 13:23:04 s/aaa/Dan 13:23:28 ACTION: hhalpin to get back to people on possible telecon time to change to 15:00 UTC. 13:23:28 Created ACTION-89 - Get back to people on possible telecon time to change to 15:00 UTC. [on Harry Halpin - due 2009-09-30]. 13:23:31 ... just asking for now 13:23:37 +q 13:23:37 how does daylight saving time change things 13:23:49 [DONE] ACTION: cperey to start a wiki page about the open day session at TPAC 13:23:56 [DONE] ACTION: DKA to double-check on TPAC, make sure SWXG is booked. 13:24:04 ack cperey 13:24:09 [CONTINUES] ACTION: DKA to summarize OSLO and geoLocation conversation in order to spread knowledge of these efforts among W3C members. 13:24:18 [CONTINUES] ACTION:Mischa to describe/implement a report of terms and conditions, and how they change between now and the end of the XG. 13:24:43 hhalpin: am aware of my action, will get on it 13:24:44 We definitely should wait till we are on the spread. 13:24:44 cperey: we could wait until everyone is on the same timezone 13:24:54 ... for avoiding the mess of time change 13:24:55 [DONE] ACTION:Melvster to write up David Raggett's guest talk on context, delegated privacy providers, and so on. 13:24:57 http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?low=8 13:25:08 Zakim, next agendum 13:25:09 agendum 3. ""Invited Guest Invitations"" taken up [from hhalpin] 13:25:17 e.g. Sydney is UTC+10, but in practice is either 9 hours or 11 hours ahead of London because of non-overlapping daylight savings. 13:25:49 cperey: what should we do for upcoming guest speakers? 13:26:13 www.globallockbox.com 13:26:26 hhalpin: they don't do privacy policy per se 13:26:32 Nov or October? 13:26:52 so long as they're talkign about general issues, trends etc., and their approach in broad brush, seems great 13:26:52 [CONTINUES] ACTION: danbri to find someone from Opera to talk Widgets 13:27:02 cperey: Is what they do is relevant to social networks? 13:27:05 [DONE] ACTION: danbri and karl to contact Evan of identi.ca over OpenMicroblogging and W3C. 13:27:06 ... they do a lot of things 13:27:09 rather than on detail of the patented works, which i think we wouldn't want to hear about 13:27:16 [DONE] ACTION:Renato and DanBri and hhalpin to schedule DataPortability.org/XMPP 13:27:20 ... they are in California, 13:27:28 i would like to try and invite someone from the BBC to talk about how they used twitter to report news on this last iranian elections, post having all of their reporter being chucked out 13:27:29 ... so they will be happy if we change the time. 13:27:30 ACTION: cperey to book global lockbox as an invited speaker 13:27:30 Created ACTION-90 - Book global lockbox as an invited speaker [on Christine Perey - due 2009-09-30]. 13:27:34 q+ 13:27:39 ack Zakim 13:27:53 ack mischat 13:27:53 i will start mailing people and i will mail the list 13:28:02 yes 13:28:02 yes 13:28:22 mischat: On the guardian, they had an interview 13:28:34 ... about how bbc tracked the iranian elections through twitter 13:28:37 that would be great, +1 from me 13:28:42 +1 13:28:43 +1 13:28:44 +1 13:28:45 ... would people be happy to hear that. 13:28:50 zakim, mute me 13:28:50 mischat should now be muted 13:28:50 +1 13:28:50 sounds interstig, particulary re provenance use case danbri brought up earlier 13:28:57 provenance and retweet api discussions continue in the statusnet list 13:29:01 Zakim, next agendum 13:29:01 agendum 4. ""User Stories"" taken up [from hhalpin] 13:29:13 anyone from OpenSocial? 13:29:28 I've touched bases with David Glazer 13:29:32 + +0207840aaff 13:29:40 http://lists.status.net/pipermail/statusnet-dev/2009-September/002344.html - statusnet / retweet thread 13:29:55 hhalpin: bblfish do you have any updates? 13:29:58 [CONTINUES] ACTION: adam to write up the boeing use case for enterprise social networks 13:30:05 [CONTINUES] ACTION : rreck to flesh out anonymous usecase connecting to multiple identies and null provenance 13:30:13 bblfish: I will be meeting with someone in Paris here 13:30:15 When you meet up with Tim ping me 13:30:26 And I can walk you and Tim through the W3C CVS editing process 13:30:32 and we can hopefully get Oshani on the week. 13:30:42 Oshani on the call - and Karl also would know all of this!! 13:30:51 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Oshani to merge document takedown with time-related takedown "forget this in ten years" and more general concept of data removal. 13:31:05 ... I would like to have a document to be easier to read. 13:31:07 [CONTINUES] ACTION:oshani to reframe the geolocation/intent/portability 13:31:11 [CONTINUES] ACTION: oshani to flesh out "Intransitivity of Policies Applied to Social Network Data" 13:31:21 [CONTINUES] ACTION: bblfish to relabel data protection use case to be about controlled access and takedown to data "about" you 13:31:38 [CONTINUES] ACTION: bblfish to merge Family and Group access usecases 13:31:43 [CONTINUES] ACTION:caribou to flesh out Data Protection use-case specifying user vs. purpose, cite their work in PrimeLife 13:32:06 [CONTINUES] ACTION: hhalpin explain to henry and oshani doc editing process for usecases 13:32:16 Zakim, next agendum 13:32:16 agendum 5. ""Invited Guest - Ros Lawler of Random House"" taken up [from hhalpin] 13:32:17 2 of my actions are done: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Document_Takedowns and http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Intransitivity_of_Policies_Applied_to_Social_Network_Data 13:32:38 [DONE] ACTION: oshani to flesh out "Intransitivity of Policies Applied to Social Network Data" 13:32:53 [DONE] ACTION: Oshani to merge document takedown with time-related takedown "forget this in ten years" and more general concept of data removal. 13:32:59 bbb: a lot of the user stories we have are centered on individuals 13:33:19 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/ros-lawler/7/327/b0b 13:33:34 Ros: we have experimented into social networks 13:33:36 Guest speaker: Ros Lawler, random House 13:33:47 ... identifying fan and interests group 13:33:47 uses social networks to find fan groups 13:33:51 create fan groups 13:34:00 ... creating fan groups 13:34:35 ... the work of analysis is a lot easier 13:34:37 http://www.davegorman.com/ 13:35:44 Will try Karl 13:35:55 If there's no fan gourp - how do we create one 13:36:07 terry Pratchet 13:36:07 Need to understand the community, like Terry Pratchett 13:36:19 Approached Bebo to do some promo work as taregting younger demographic 13:36:23 Berbo more creative 13:36:38 Contatcted marketing folk at Bebo - make it interesting nad we'll make it easy for you 13:36:45 s/Berbo/Bebo/ 13:36:56 get folk on Bebo to dress up as Dsicword characters 13:37:08 Got list of over x thousand friends - quick data captyre 13:37:16 Facebook has lots of activity. Some good some not 13:37:27 Worked well - long cookery list 13:37:28 "cooking the books" 13:37:45 Group called cooking teh books - work within frameowrk of social network 13:37:53 We have author sites, chick let sites etc 13:38:05 ROY - return on invsetment 13:38:09 social networks can be really time consuming 13:38:21 Can be time consuming to run a new group - so need to make sure we're actually getting sales 13:38:24 direct sales are really poor in social network 13:38:29 Need to fine ways to build data capture 13:38:46 E-mail gives us a good ROI - use SNs to capture e-mail etc. 13:38:56 Good publicity success on the back of SNs 13:39:07 Still working on how much time do you put in 13:39:10 wonders if there are metrics for measuring 13:39:14 balance of effort/return 13:39:24 s/wonders/karl wonders/ 13:39:58 ccc: one of the obsessive topic is privacy 13:40:13 ros: it has to be opt-in. 13:40:23 ... in terms of our privacy we don't have any 13:40:32 Some of us did this from our personal profiles - now moved into professional area 13:40:41 Now done in name of author, or publishing house or imprint 13:41:10 ccc: are there missing features on twitter? 13:41:23 PhilA: is there things you'd like to see on Twitter and SNs? 13:41:28 ros: it is very time consuming, we could a one login for all of them. 13:41:33 Ros: Don't think there is a shortcut - wish there were one 13:41:37 "onr login to all of them" 13:41:38 ... log in to all of them, etc. 13:42:05 q+ is it time consuming to contribute or to read 13:42:17 q+ to ask if it is time consuming to contribute or to read 13:42:43 Lots of people here being shown how to use Tweetdeck etc. IT teems say no to download and install anything 13:42:58 so you have to work from home :-) 13:43:05 Everyone appreciates the argument but it gets in the way. 13:43:13 q+ 13:43:16 So there's a rpobelm from a corporate point of view 13:43:21 ack karl 13:43:21 karl, you wanted to ask if it is time consuming to contribute or to read 13:43:39 ack DKA 13:43:48 (trouble with Twitter echoes to Facebook, LJ, etc., is -- how can I read my Tweetstream *and* those others without endless duplication/multiplication? Usenet is hard to reinvent!) 13:44:05 DKA: Vodafone is very large and conservative - the culture change needed for corporate networks to be available is big. It's still happening, we're not there yet. But it does need to happen 13:44:26 .. it happens from the PR organisation, not the IT team 13:44:38 .. the PR team get it - the IT Crew may need more persuasion 13:45:03 DKA: Maybe there's somthing to be said about Best pratice for large orgnaisations 13:45:04 q+ 13:45:13 IT policies can be a blocker to adoption 13:45:42 Ros: We're also discussing cost. We take up a lot of bandwidth looking at facebook and so on - what is the legitimate use of the system. Video increasingly improtant 13:45:49 ack karl 13:46:08 q+ 13:46:15 Karl: Is it time consuming to read or to contribute? 13:46:38 Ros: Both take a lot of time to do properly. It's about establishing a relationship. Doing it meaningfully takes time 13:46:40 re "Best pratice for large orgnaisations", ... interesting suggestion 13:47:09 i recall Habitat™ using Twitter to get advertising traffic, and was caught out for trying to hijack #iranelections to sell their products http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8116869.stm. I wonder how bad that was for their reputation 13:47:13 Karl: From my experience it's a lot easier to track things when you're organised. An aggregator can create dynamic lists, and filtering. Contributing can take longer 13:47:42 zakim, mute me 13:47:47 karl should now be muted 13:47:54 Ros: We're creating content that we want to be able to distribute across multiple sites - hence we've created out own widget that gives you free access to some new books etc. 13:48:09 .. gets more mass reach through social objects and automated distribution 13:48:12 Ack Adam 13:48:27 Zakim, ack Adam 13:48:27 I see bblfish on the speaker queue 13:48:57 Adam: We (boeing) did a bench mark study about the culture - we had to not release tech because the culture wasn't ready. Is this going to save me time and money? 13:49:08 culture is more important than technology. Pushbacks are coming from the need to understand if it will be beneficial to the company 13:49:09 Culture more improtant than tech 13:49:26 Ros: When I joined 3 years ago digital literacy was very low. Now we've built it up throughout the organisation 13:49:30 Zakim, ack bblfish 13:49:30 I see no one on the speaker queue 13:49:34 ack: bblfish 13:49:54 bblfish: how many social networks you are following and contributing? 13:49:57 bblfish: How many SNs do you contribute to/follow and how many can you not join because it's too much work 13:50:37 Ros: we do have a lot of marketeers across the company - probably 10 or so across the group - and we go where the fans/readers are 13:51:13 .. yes, we're on TWitter and FB because that's where the numbers are but then we'll do more specialist things like, for example, LinkedIn for launching Richard Branson's book 13:51:17 q? 13:51:43 Ros: from a user point of view, there has tpo be a really big driver to sign up for another SN, setting up a new account 13:51:57 thinking of ning 13:52:05 agreed hhalpin 13:52:07 .. we'll see them set up, say FB nad then go to Twitter, but there needs to be a stroing interest to get them to move 13:52:13 q+ 13:52:16 ack hhalpin 13:52:20 ack hh 13:52:39 -danbri 13:52:40 harry: Ojne thing we're interested in is standardisation - making it easier for everyone 13:52:58 doh, skype-out account ran dry... 13:53:14 .. all the things I've been invited to are based on Ning and there are otehr specialist sites - do you think some sort of distributed SN standard would help or hurt businesses? 13:53:44 re publisher industry use of social nets, relatedly i heard that many Myspace API efforts eg http://search.cpan.org/dist/WWW-Myspace/lib/WWW/Myspace.pm are driven by needs of music publicists 13:53:51 Ros: The publis that we're trying to reach are quite sophisticted. If it's not as good as facebook then it's not any good. It must do at least that much. 13:54:26 What we want is a mix of personal pages and advertising - that's the ideal - for us 13:54:37 q+ 13:54:40 W3C Widgets comes to mind... 13:54:48 ack mischat 13:54:50 zakim, unmute me 13:54:50 mischat was not muted, mischat 13:54:52 .. we have to make a differnet version of our widget for different SNs 13:54:53 And of course OpenSocial 13:55:06 ack: Mischa 13:55:13 ack Mischat 13:55:45 mischa: I saw habitat jumping on the #iranelections tag on twitter to get people to go to their shops. Any otehr examples of other people doing it wrong? 13:56:12 Ros: They had a lot of bad PR. but the dust has settled. It did them damage but it's gone and long term it's not really an issue 13:56:29 .. Moonfruit were in the press a lot. twitter banned #moonfruit eventually 13:56:50 re w3c widgets -meet- social networks, see http://incubator.apache.org/wookie/ 13:57:11 They'r a white label website provider. Just include #moonfruit in your tweet and get a free xyz - and Twitter jumped in editorially for the first time. Big discussion./ 13:57:15 +q 13:57:17 zakim, mute me 13:57:17 mischat should now be muted 13:57:24 ack bblfish 13:57:26 http://mashable.com/2009/07/01/moonfruit-macbook/ 13:57:26 ack bblfish 13:57:38 agreed bblfish ! 13:57:43 bblfish: so that raises the question of ownership? 13:57:47 -cperey 13:58:09 .. there's an editor that can ban people from the network - in a distributed system everyone wons their own stuff. Would that be seen as valuable 13:58:33 (yes, this returns to the licensing issues) 13:58:40 Ros: yes. Look at the T&Cs - Ning owns copyright on anythign you post - so we can't post any of our book content because actually we own that, not them! 13:58:41 good point 13:58:58 it would be interesting not just to look at privacy policies but content ownership 13:59:09 agreed hhalpin 13:59:13 thanks ross! 13:59:18 - +0207840aaff 14:00:01 ACTION: PhilA to write summary of Ros's talk 14:00:01 Sorry, couldn't find user - PhilA 14:00:04 rrsagent, make logs public 14:00:17 ACTION: Phil_Archer to write summary of Ros's talk 14:00:17 Sorry, couldn't find user - Phil_Archer 14:00:24 ACTION: Archer to write summary of Ros's talk 14:00:24 Created ACTION-91 - Write summary of Ros's talk [on Phil Archer - due 2009-09-30]. 14:00:31 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuestSummaries 14:00:34 Adjourn Meeting. 14:00:45 we should do a podcast of these meetings ;-) 14:00:47 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:00:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html PhilA 14:00:50 cool :) 14:00:55 -tinkster 14:01:00 -oshani 14:01:01 We'll moving rapidly towards XMPP, Google Wave and the like next meeting. 14:01:04 +1 :) 14:01:05 -DKA 14:01:06 ok bye 14:01:13 bblfish, nobody would want to listen to that. 14:01:14 thanks bye bye 14:01:18 -karl 14:01:26 Different strokes for different folks. 14:01:26 - +46.1.08.01.aaee 14:01:29 ok bye all 14:01:33 bye 14:01:34 Take care! 14:01:34 -mischat 14:01:35 bye 14:01:35 ten minutes of "where's that buzzing coming from?" 14:01:35 -AlexPassant 14:01:35 (people listen to more boring stuff on the radio) 14:01:35 -Phil_Archer 14:01:36 bye 14:01:39 -Adam 14:01:41 bye 14:01:41 bye 14:01:43 -MacTed 14:01:45 -??P21 14:01:47 -melvster 14:01:49 PhilA has left #swxg 14:02:02 -bblfish 14:02:29 oshani has joined #swxg 14:02:46 pchampin has left #swxg 14:03:10 -mauro.a 14:05:31 -pchampin 14:06:39 -mauro 14:06:40 INC_SWXG()9:00AM has ended 14:06:42 Attendees were pchampin, +1.617.800.aaaa, +1.314.683.aabb, mauro, Phil_Archer, bblfish, cperey, +1.774.811.aacc, DKA, AlexPassant, mischat, melvster, karl, +46.1.08.01.aaee, Adam, 14:06:44 ... danbri, MacTed, oshani, tinkster, +0207840aaff 14:16:25 melvster has left #swxg 15:27:05 bblfish has joined #swxg 16:48:51 mischat has joined #swxg 16:59:48 is anyone else going to DKA's mobile web london hack thing this weekend? 17:08:53 FabGandon has left #swxg 17:11:55 mischat_ has joined #swxg 17:35:13 oshani has joined #swxg 18:10:20 mischat_ has joined #swxg 18:16:23 oshani has joined #swxg 18:25:35 Adam has left #swxg 19:12:46 oshani has joined #swxg 20:04:19 mischat_ has joined #swxg 20:36:40 mischat_ has joined #swxg 20:36:50 mischat_ has joined #swxg 21:06:21 mischat_ has joined #swxg 21:24:39 mischat has joined #swxg 21:24:49 mischat_ has joined #swxg 21:24:55 mischat has joined #swxg 22:10:31 mischat_ has joined #swxg 22:10:49 mischat has joined #swxg 22:26:27 mischat_ has joined #swxg 22:26:31 mischat_ has joined #swxg 23:08:35 MacTed has joined #swxg 23:13:47 mischat has joined #swxg 23:13:54 mischat_ has joined #swxg 23:20:02 mischat_ has joined #swxg 23:49:05 mischat_ has joined #swxg