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13:53:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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13:53:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAPW
13:53:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
13:53:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
13:53:25 <trackbot> Date: 23 September 2009
13:54:03 <fhirsch> Chair: Robin Berjon, Frederick Hirsch
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13:54:52 <fhirsch> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Sep/0069.html
13:56:07 <fhirsch> Regrets: Dominique_Hazael-Massieux, Anssi_Kostiainen
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13:56:40 <fhirsch> Present: Robin Berjon, Frederick Hirsch
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13:58:59 <arve> present+ arve
13:59:14 <arve> zakim, who is here?
13:59:14 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has not yet started, arve
13:59:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see dtran, hui_miao, marengo, brianleroux, Zakim, RRSAgent, fhirsch, arve, ilkka, arg, blassey, maxf, trackbot, dom
13:59:27 <JonathanJ> JonathanJ has joined #DAP
13:59:27 <brianleroux> hello =)
13:59:37 <brianleroux> I'm on the call as well.
13:59:48 <dtran> dtran is Dzung Tran
13:59:51 <dtran> hello
14:00:00 <maxf> regrets+ maxf
14:00:00 <marengo> marengo is Marco Marengo
14:00:02 <hui_miao> Present+ hui_miao
14:01:37 <hui_miao> zakim, who is muted?
14:01:37 <Zakim> sorry, hui_miao, I don't know what conference this is
14:01:49 <arve> zakim not picking up on people calling in?
14:02:54 <darobin> darobin has joined #dap
14:03:03 <Claes> Claes has joined #dap
14:03:07 <Kangchan> Kangchan has joined #dap
14:03:21 <arve> zakim, who is here?
14:03:21 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has not yet started, arve
14:03:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see Kangchan, Claes, darobin, JonathanJ, dtran, hui_miao, marengo, brianleroux, Zakim, RRSAgent, fhirsch, arve, ilkka, arg, blassey, maxf, trackbot, dom
14:03:57 <LauraArribas> LauraArribas has joined #dap
14:05:10 <darobin> Zakim, who's making noise?
14:05:10 <Zakim> sorry, darobin, I don't know what conference this is
14:05:15 <darobin> this is DAP
14:05:18 <brianleroux> the bridge is recursive echoing
14:05:18 <darobin> zakim, this is DAP
14:05:18 <Zakim> ok, darobin; that matches UW_DAP()10:00AM
14:05:25 <darobin> Zakim, who's making noise?
14:05:25 <marcin3> marcin3 has joined #dap
14:05:36 <Zakim> darobin, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (59%), [Vodaphone] (52%), Frederick_Hirsch (8%)
14:05:36 <arve> zakim, who is here
14:05:38 <Zakim> arve, you need to end that query with '?'
14:05:39 <darobin> Zakim, who's here?
14:05:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.604.685.aaaa, marengo, ??P0, arve, DzungTran, [ETRI], +035850486aabb, Ingmar_Kliche, richt, [Vodaphone], +03468697aacc, Frederick_Hirsch
14:05:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see marcin3, LauraArribas, Kangchan, Claes, darobin, JonathanJ, dtran, hui_miao, marengo, brianleroux, Zakim, RRSAgent, fhirsch, arve, ilkka, arg, blassey, maxf, trackbot,
14:05:44 <Zakim> ... dom
14:05:46 <Zakim> + +1.801.756.aadd
14:05:48 <Zakim> + +1.425.214.aaee
14:05:50 <Zakim> + +0777541aaff
14:05:52 <marengo> zakim, mute me
14:05:54 <Zakim> marengo should now be muted
14:05:55 <darobin> Zakim, [Vodafone] holds me
14:05:58 <Zakim> sorry, darobin, I do not recognize a party named '[Vodafone]'
14:05:58 <Kangchan> zakim, [ETRI] is Kangchan
14:06:00 <Zakim> +Kangchan; got it
14:06:09 <darobin> Zakim, [Vodaphone] holds me
14:06:09 <Zakim> +darobin; got it
14:06:12 <darobin> Zakim, [Vodaphone] holds marcin3 
14:06:12 <Zakim> +marcin3; got it
14:06:21 <LauraArribas> Preset+ LauraArribas
14:06:30 <brianleroux> Present+ Brian LeRoux
14:06:33 <Bryan> Bryan has joined #dap
14:06:35 <hui_miao> zakim, who is muted?
14:06:35 <Zakim> I see marengo, ??P0 muted
14:06:40 <LauraArribas> Present+ LauraArribas
14:06:41 <ingmar> ingmar has joined #dap
14:06:43 <Kangchan> Present+
14:06:43 <darobin> Present+ RobinBerjon
14:06:45 <hui_miao> zakim, ??P0 is hui_miao
14:06:45 <Zakim> +hui_miao; got it
14:06:50 <darobin> Present+ MarcinHanclik
14:07:02 <arve> present+
14:07:14 <ilkka> Present+ IlkkaOksanen
14:07:17 <dtran> present+ DzungTran
14:07:20 <Zakim> + +04610801aagg
14:07:20 <marengo> Present+ MarcoMarengo
14:08:11 <darobin> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/victims-list.html
14:08:26 <darobin> Scribe: marcin3 
14:08:27 <LauraArribas> zakim, +0777541aaff is LauraArribas
14:08:27 <Zakim> +LauraArribas; got it
14:08:33 <darobin> Scribe: Marcin
14:08:40 <darobin> ScribeNick: marcin3 
14:08:46 <ingmar> Present+ IngmarKliche
14:08:48 <darobin> Chair: Frederick, Robin
14:09:17 <fhirsch> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Sep/0069.html
14:09:20 <richt> richt has joined #dap
14:09:24 <darobin> http://www.w3.org/mid/48336177-B0CC-456C-A1BF-C276AE299034@nokia.com
14:09:35 <darobin> Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection
14:09:44 <marcin3> no changes to the agenda
14:09:46 <darobin> Topic: Announcements, meeting planning, logistics
14:09:47 <Bryan> +1425.214.aaee is Bryan
14:09:51 <fhirsch> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2009Sep/0000.html
14:10:00 <fhirsch> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2009Sep/0003.html
14:10:19 <marcin3> reminder to register to TPAC meeting and book the hotel
14:10:36 <darobin> Topic: Minutes approval
14:10:40 <fhirsch> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Sep/0050.html
14:10:52 <Bryan> zakim, +1.425.214.aaee is Bryan
14:10:52 <Zakim> +Bryan; got it
14:11:17 <ilkka> zakim, +035850486aabb is ilkka
14:11:17 <Zakim> +ilkka; got it
14:11:19 <marcin3> resolution: minutes approved
14:11:37 <darobin> action: robin to link minutes from the group page
14:11:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Link minutes from the group page [on Robin Berjon - due 2009-09-30].
14:11:44 <darobin> Topic: Editorial Team report
14:12:03 <marcin3> The list of editors was sent
14:12:30 <marcin3> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Sep/0084.html
14:12:52 <marcin3> Robin's reSpec.js to get more attention, reviewed. Robin welcomes feedback.
14:13:40 <marcin3> actions discussed, just a few actions are left
14:14:17 <darobin> Topic: Policy Segment
14:14:21 <fhirsch> issue-18?
14:14:21 <trackbot> ISSUE-18 -- Determine security policy starting points for review and comparison -- RAISED
14:14:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/18
14:15:08 <marcin3> not many changes introduced within 1.01 as compared to 1.0
14:15:51 <fhirsch> Dom did earlier comparison
14:15:52 <fhirsch> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Jul/0015.html
14:16:25 <marcin3> FH: questions to the policy
14:17:01 <marcin3> FH: do we want features and capabilities?
14:17:11 <marcin3> FH: BONDI has both
14:17:33 <marcin3> FH: hierarchies of the features
14:17:37 <dtran> Still unclear the differences
14:17:49 <darobin> q+ marcin3 
14:17:56 <marcin3> FH: discussion needed about features and capabilities
14:18:06 <Bryan> Bryan will help out there
14:18:08 <brianleroux> capability; something the device can do (has a camera). features: camera api
14:18:10 <darobin> ack
14:18:15 <darobin> ack marcin3 
14:18:45 <marcin3> FH: any volunteers to compare capabilities and features?
14:19:05 <dtran> So for a certain client, that camera api might not be implemented because the client does not have the capability
14:19:08 <marcin3> ACTION: Marcin to review/compare device capabilities and features
14:19:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Review/compare device capabilities and features [on Marcin Hanclik - due 2009-09-30].
14:19:20 <brianleroux> dtran: I think so yes
14:19:27 <darobin> ACTION: Bryan to help review/compare device capabilities and features
14:19:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Help review/compare device capabilities and features [on Bryan Sullivan - due 2009-09-30].
14:19:30 <Bryan> q+
14:19:44 <fhirsch> ack Bryan
14:20:17 <marcin3> BS: Marcin and me may contributes
14:20:31 <marcin3> FH: requirements to be prepared for features/caps
14:21:08 <fhirsch> comparison should probably include Lewontin workshop paper as well Bondi 1.01 and Nokia submissions
14:21:30 <marcin3> FH: Marcos did some stuff about reputation, other suggestions are welcome
14:21:42 <marcin3> FH: the group is open to new suggestions
14:22:00 <marcin3> FH: please send anything what could help to the list
14:22:23 <marcin3> FH: Robin to continue with the APIs
14:22:25 <darobin> Topic: API Segment
14:23:01 <marcin3> RB: The initial requirements were provided on the list. Discussion points to be identified. 
14:23:18 <marcin3> RB: Richard's input
14:23:28 <fhirsch> issue-13?
14:23:28 <trackbot> ISSUE-13 -- Gathering requirements -- OPEN
14:23:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/13
14:23:33 <fhirsch> issue-7?
14:23:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-7 -- Gathering requirements -- OPEN
14:23:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/7
14:23:37 <darobin> http://www.w3.org/mid/355A518BC0575547B2A3D6773AAF8EEF3F39A2@ftrdmel1
14:24:01 <marcin3> RB: it is about messaging, coverage. Is it clearer, Richard?
14:24:15 <marcin3> RT: what is the concept of the ubiquitos Web?
14:24:31 <Bryan> q+
14:24:44 <marcin3> RT: should telephony/SMS be included?
14:24:57 <marcin3> RB: ubiquitos means "it runs everywhere"
14:25:24 <marcin3> RB: screens in watches, urinals are also Web
14:25:30 <dtran> yes, telephony/SMS should be
14:25:41 <marcin3> RB: capabilities of the device are important
14:26:12 <marcin3> RB: ubiquitos and not capable do not necessarily clash
14:26:54 <marcin3> RB: the existing messaging proposals (Nokia, BONDI etc) may suggest want we need
14:27:19 <marcin3> RB: messaging must be able to address different transports, capabilities and related details
14:27:47 <marcin3> RB: emails need attachments, differences may suggest the design
14:28:59 <marcin3> BS: the goal of ubiquitos Web is to address potential environment, awareness, context
14:29:25 <marcin3> RB: Richard, will you be able to proceed for the next week
14:29:26 <Bryan> q-
14:29:39 <marcin3> RB: Calendar API, issue-7
14:29:47 <marcin3> issue-7?
14:29:47 <trackbot> ISSUE-7 -- Gathering requirements - calendar -- OPEN
14:29:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/7
14:30:04 <marcin3> RT: some feedback provided
14:30:23 <marcin3> RT: a lot to be done on the high level
14:30:25 <JonathanJ> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:30:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-dap-minutes.html JonathanJ
14:30:43 <marcin3> RT: should we support more than 1 calendars?
14:30:48 <marcin3> RB: there are pros and cons
14:31:00 <marcin3> RB: it should be clarified over email
14:31:04 <marcin3> RB: Arve has comments
14:31:19 <marcin3> RB: what does it mean to support iCalendar
14:31:31 <marcin3> Resolution: let's continue over email
14:31:33 <dtran> multiple calendars for family, work, play calendars
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14:31:58 <Zakim> +??P12
14:32:05 <marcin3> ABe to send comments
14:32:23 <marcin3> issue-14?
14:32:23 <trackbot> ISSUE-14 -- Gathering requirements -- OPEN
14:32:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/14
14:32:50 <marcin3> RB: the long list of requirements about NavigatorPlatform
14:33:51 <marcin3> TRAN: it stems from geolocation, I will send another email
14:33:52 <JonathanJ> zakim, +??P12 is JonathanJ
14:33:52 <Zakim> sorry, JonathanJ, I do not recognize a party named '+??P12'
14:34:21 <JonathanJ> zakim, who is here ?
14:34:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.604.685.aaaa, marengo (muted), hui_miao, arve, DzungTran, Kangchan, ilkka, Ingmar_Kliche, richt, [Vodaphone], +03468697aacc, Frederick_Hirsch,
14:34:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see crobiso1, richt, ingmar, Bryan, marcin3, LauraArribas, Kangchan, Claes, darobin, JonathanJ, dtran, hui_miao, marengo, brianleroux, Zakim, RRSAgent, fhirsch, arve,
14:34:25 <marcin3> RB: a good requirement would be to have: the interface must provide the information about battery level
14:34:26 <arve> Zakim, P12 is JonathanJ
14:34:28 <Zakim> ... +1.801.756.aadd, Bryan, LauraArribas, +04610801aagg, ??P12
14:34:30 <Zakim> ... ilkka, arg, blassey, maxf, trackbot, dom
14:34:31 <Zakim> [Vodaphone] has marcin3
14:34:33 <Zakim> sorry, arve, I do not recognize a party named 'P12'
14:35:06 <marcin3> RB: functional requirements to be provided
14:35:11 <darobin> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/Overview.html
14:35:22 <marcin3> ACTION: TRAN to provided more functional requirements
14:35:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Provided more functional requirements [on Dzung Tran - due 2009-09-30].
14:35:26 <crobiso1> crobiso1 is Clayne Robison
14:35:35 <darobin> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/contacts/Overview.html
14:35:39 <darobin> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/file-system/Overview.html
14:35:59 <marcin3> RB: does anyone want to take care of contact, FS?
14:36:29 <darobin> ACTION: Arve to review Contacts requirements
14:36:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Review Contacts requirements [on Arve Bersvendsen - due 2009-09-30].
14:36:29 <marcin3> ACTION: Bryan Leroux to review contact, camera, file-system 
14:36:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Leroux to review contact, camera, file-system  [on Bryan Sullivan - due 2009-09-30].
14:36:42 <darobin> action-6?
14:36:42 <trackbot> ACTION-6 -- Robin Berjon to send a reminder about TPAC -- due 2009-09-09 -- CLOSED
14:36:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/6
14:36:53 <darobin> action-19?
14:36:53 <trackbot> ACTION-19 -- Bryan Sullivan to leroux to review contact, camera, file-system -- due 2009-09-30 -- OPEN
14:36:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/19
14:37:15 <marcin3> BS: I will be providing general comments
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14:37:35 <marcin3> issue-6?
14:37:35 <trackbot> ISSUE-6 -- Gathering requirements -- OPEN
14:37:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/6
14:37:36 <darobin> http://www.w3.org/mid/op.u0pjj6d2byn2jm@galactica
14:37:53 <marcin3> issue-6 is applauncher
14:38:13 <marcin3> ABe: my proposal is controversial
14:39:03 <darobin> ACTION: Marcin to send comments about Arve's requirements for ISSUE-6
14:39:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Send comments about Arve's requirements for ISSUE-6 [on Marcin Hanclik - due 2009-09-30].
14:39:23 <darobin> ACTION: Bryan to send comments about Arve's requirements for ISSUE-6
14:39:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-21 - Send comments about Arve's requirements for ISSUE-6 [on Bryan Sullivan - due 2009-09-30].
14:39:43 <marcin3> issue-5?
14:39:43 <trackbot> ISSUE-5 -- Gathering requirements -- OPEN
14:39:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/5
14:39:57 <marcin3> issue-5 is Application Configuration
14:40:18 <marcin3> Arve: we probably drop the AppConfig from the deliverables
14:40:28 <mib_jts3v7h1> mib_jts3v7h1 has left #dap
14:40:33 <Bryan> q+
14:41:10 <darobin> ack Bryan 
14:41:18 <marcin3> MH: BONDI considers dropping AppConfig once A&E and Storage specs are ready
14:42:27 <marcin3> BS: we need some local storage. If it is HTML5 or widget context, it shall be enough. We should not leave it to the other groups.
14:42:45 <marcin3> RB: DAP does not specify what HTML-X browser shall support
14:43:07 <marcin3> RB: we just re-use other specification.
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14:43:57 <marcin3> BS: it is important to address the related requirements
14:44:10 <darobin> http://www.w3.org/TR/webstorage/
14:44:11 <marcin3> RB: W3C already takes care
14:44:12 <arve> q+
14:44:59 <darobin> ack arve
14:45:03 <marcin3> BS: we should not confuse people, requirements document should specify that AppConfig is not in the scope of DAP, if it is the fact
14:45:30 <marcin3> Arve: then we should specify the same for other specs, like e.g. Geolocation. We do not do this on purpose.
14:46:07 <marcin3> BS: it  should be documented what was NOT done
14:46:17 <marcin3> RB: the APIs are independent
14:46:24 <marcin3> RB: where should we document that?
14:46:35 <marcin3> BS: in the Scope section of the documents
14:46:48 <marcin3> BS: rationale should be documented
14:47:14 <marcin3> RB: should we publish a note about why something was dropped?
14:47:20 <arve> q+
14:47:41 <darobin> ack arve
14:47:41 <marcin3> BS: my point is: we are silent upon some important aspects
14:48:00 <marcin3> Arve: we are not silent, other specification resolve the problems
14:48:16 <Kangchan> q+
14:48:26 <darobin> ack Kangchan 
14:48:36 <darobin> Zakim, who's making noise?
14:48:49 <Zakim> darobin, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Kangchan (30%), Bryan (70%), +04610801aagg (9%), JonathanJ (44%)
14:48:58 <dom> the resolution should document clearly why we drop the item, and be put on the issue's tracker
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14:49:06 <darobin> +1
14:49:10 <marcin3> BS: we should not stay silent
14:49:37 <marcin3> Kangchan: I agree, I propose to make a primer document that would clarify the scope of DAP.
14:49:55 <marcin3> RB: people are welcome non-normative docs/primers
14:50:13 <marcin3> RB: we are heading for many specs, we need editors.
14:50:19 <fhirsch> q+
14:50:36 <marcin3> RB: the docs should be put into CVS for further discussion
14:50:38 <darobin> ack fhirsch 
14:50:40 <arve> q+
14:50:48 <marcin3> FH: what is wrong with the note in the document?
14:50:56 <marcin3> RB: we never published a req document
14:51:32 <marcin3> RB: if we reach consensus on concise req docs, we would result in better specs
14:52:18 <marcin3> Arve: what about an umbrella requirements document?
14:52:25 <darobin> ISSUE: Should we have an umbrella requirements document?
14:52:25 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-22 - Should we have an umbrella requirements document? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/22/edit .
14:52:30 <arve> q-
14:53:15 <darobin> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Drop the work item on AppConfig; discuss on list whether and where to document that as part of ISSUE-22
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14:53:38 <darobin> RESOLUTION: Drop the work item on AppConfig; discuss on list whether and where to document that as part of ISSUE-22
14:53:46 <marcin3> no objection to the resolution
14:53:58 <marcin3> RB: no further reqs
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14:54:43 <marcin3> RB: do we do action/issue review?
14:54:51 <marcin3> FH: no need now
14:54:56 <marcin3> RB: AOB
14:54:59 <darobin> Topic: AOB
14:55:07 <Kangchan> q+
14:55:09 <marcin3> No AOBs.
14:55:46 <marcin3> Kangchan: in Korea there will be a device API related workshop tomorrow
14:56:07 <marcin3> Kangchan: we will have phonegap and similar inputs
14:56:20 <marcin3> RB: feedback from the meeting will be welcome
14:56:25 <marcin3> No AOBs.
14:56:29 <darobin> ADJOURNED
14:56:29 <Zakim> -Bryan
14:56:30 <marcin3> We adjourn.
14:56:30 <JonathanJ> bye
14:56:32 <Zakim> - +1.801.756.aadd
14:56:33 <Zakim> - +03468697aacc
14:56:33 <marcin3> bye
14:56:33 <Zakim> -arve
14:56:34 <Zakim> -LauraArribas
14:56:34 <Zakim> -ilkka
14:56:34 <Zakim> -richt
14:56:35 <Zakim> -marengo
14:56:37 <Zakim> -Kangchan
14:56:39 <Zakim> - +1.604.685.aaaa
14:56:41 <Zakim> -[Vodaphone]
14:56:43 <Zakim> -Ingmar_Kliche
14:56:45 <Zakim> -hui_miao
14:56:46 <richt> richt has left #dap
14:56:47 <Zakim> -DzungTran
14:56:48 <darobin> RRSAgent: make minutes
14:56:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-dap-minutes.html darobin
14:56:49 <Zakim> -Frederick_Hirsch
14:56:51 <Zakim> - +04610801aagg
14:56:53 <Zakim> -JonathanJ
14:56:55 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
14:56:57 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.604.685.aaaa, marengo, arve, DzungTran, Ingmar_Kliche, richt, +03468697aacc, Frederick_Hirsch, +1.801.756.aadd, Kangchan, darobin, marcin3, hui_miao,
14:57:00 <Zakim> ... +04610801aagg, LauraArribas, Bryan, ilkka, JonathanJ
14:57:26 <darobin> fhirsch: brilliant, thanks!
14:59:30 <darobin> RRSAgent: stop