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10:59:46 <steph> Chair: Stephane
10:59:58 <steph> Meeting: MW4D IG Teleconference
11:00:33 <steph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Sep/0006.html
11:00:44 <steph> Present: stephane
11:46:11 <steph> zakim, this will be MW4D
11:46:11 <Zakim> ok, steph; I see UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
11:55:35 <steph> zakim, code ?
11:55:35 <Zakim> the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), steph
11:55:56 <Zakim> UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has now started
11:56:03 <Zakim> + +58160aaaa
11:56:06 <steph> zakim, aaaa is me
11:56:06 <Zakim> +steph; got it
11:57:23 <Adesina> Adesina has joined #mw4d
11:57:54 <Adesina> Hello Steph, will only join on chat. Can't do voice today
11:58:12 <Adesina> Noticed that a lot of work has been put into the docv
11:58:44 <steph> hi Adesina
11:58:46 <steph> ok
11:58:56 <steph> yes lots of work !
12:01:16 <Adesina> Just came back from South Africa on Saturday
12:01:26 <Yoshiko> Yoshiko has joined #mw4d
12:01:43 <Zakim> + +41.22.800.aabb
12:01:49 <Yoshiko> hello
12:01:57 <steph> zakim, aabb is yoshiko
12:01:57 <Zakim> +yoshiko; got it
12:07:35 <Zakim> + +035850558aacc
12:07:51 <steph> zakim, aacc is Lauri
12:07:51 <Zakim> +Lauri; got it
12:14:56 <steph> Present+Yoshiko
12:15:05 <steph> Present+Lauri
12:15:31 <steph>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Sep/0006.html
12:17:00 <Lauri> Lauri has joined #mw4d
12:17:21 <steph> comments from renjish
12:17:23 <Lauri> Hello, Lauri is now on-line in IRC channel
12:17:27 <steph> ToC reorg: postponed
12:18:51 <steph> 2nd comment: add mobile web definition in the scope of the doc
12:19:11 <steph> yoshiko: we should add a definition section
12:19:31 <steph> http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/roadmapv2
12:19:47 <Yoshiko> definition of mw
12:22:04 <steph> steph: second paragraph of the intro ?
12:22:06 <steph> yoshiko
12:22:48 <steph> Action: steph to move mobile web definition from the last paragraph f the intro as a note to a full paragraph in the second position
12:24:17 <Lauri> Here is the link to the new Nokia Magazine (for emerging markets) http://expandinghorizons.nokia.com/issues/
12:24:32 <steph> 3rd comment: audience: 2 major categories 
12:24:32 <steph> <steph> people workingin the field
12:24:32 <steph> <steph> and enabler/supporter
12:24:32 <steph> <steph> oops
12:24:48 <Lauri> Latest issue is number 3/2009.
12:24:59 <Yoshiko> great!
12:25:56 <steph> yoshiko: categorization is not a big problem
12:26:01 <steph> we should not bother
12:26:22 <steph> i prefer the current setup which is more open
12:26:27 <steph> further work not worth
12:26:29 <steph> doing
12:26:33 <steph> steph: agree
12:26:39 <steph> Resolution: reject this comment
12:27:33 <steph> Resolution: we prefer to keep the door more widely open and not focus on the categorization: so we keep as it is
12:27:46 <Lauri> The issue number 1 / 2009 is a summary of many application done by Nokia for developing markets, note 100 pages long.
12:28:29 <steph> comments by arun: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Sep/0000.html
12:28:37 <steph> &st comment: accessibility
12:30:28 <steph> postpone discussion when Arun is on the call
12:30:30 <Lauri> q+
12:31:02 <steph> 2nd comment: cost of voice of applications
12:31:03 <Yoshiko> q+
12:31:29 <steph> Lauri: timeline ?
12:33:56 <steph> steph: process: distribute the current document as a draft and make an official W3C publication after september meeting
12:34:08 <steph> lauri: agreed
12:34:09 <Lauri> Lauri is OK with the time line for the document
12:34:20 <steph> yoshiko: you should tell participant about the timeline
12:34:39 <steph> ACTION: steph to send a mail to announce the timeline for the W3C publication
12:34:56 <steph> ack lauri
12:35:00 <steph> ack yoshiko
12:35:21 <steph> 2nd comment: cost of voice of applications
12:36:53 <steph> yoshiko: agree with Arun
12:36:57 <steph> we should refine the text
12:37:12 <steph> voice cost is not fix, we could be more percise
12:37:31 <steph> say that gov. or phone operator could be removed by policy or by companies
12:37:41 <steph> steph: agreed
12:38:43 <steph> action: steph to refine the text to cover these cases of low cost of voice calls 
12:39:17 <steph> steph: should also add that to data services
12:39:37 <steph> action: steph to refine the text to cover the case of low-cost flate rate plan for data services
12:40:08 <steph> yoshiko: you should reflect that in the text
12:40:52 <steph> 4th comments: lowering required expertise for voice applications
12:42:12 <steph> Action: steph to mention this possiblity as an extra layer to voice apps
12:42:49 <steph> 5th comments: directory of voice apps
12:44:04 <steph> action: steph to add a paragraph to mention the possibility to create portals, easier with voicexml, more complicated with traditionnal voice apps and phone call transfer, but ot as a feature of the techno
12:44:49 <steph> 6th comments: non-lasting info
12:46:08 <steph> Action: steph to mention this possiblity as an extra layer but not as a feature of the techno
12:46:25 <steph> yoshiko: it takes also more time to convey of information
12:46:34 <steph> and this is realted to costs
12:47:16 <Lauri> Here is the link to the weather forecast service for all around the Globe: http://foreca.mobi/
12:47:42 <Yoshiko> what's this?
12:47:47 <steph> 7th comments: package low-cost voice solution
12:48:16 <steph> Action: steph to mention the need for packaged solution for individual voice service setup
12:48:45 <Lauri> Here is weather in Lagos, Nigeria: http://foreca.mobi/index.php?l=102332459
12:48:50 <steph> action: steph to respond to Arun with the proposed resolution to all his points
12:49:47 <steph> adding examples in the appendix
12:50:20 <steph> steph: didn't receive any contribution
12:50:24 <steph> should we pursue the idea ?
12:51:29 <Lauri> Please note, the Foreca.mobi wheather service is free to use.
12:52:04 <steph> yoshiko: let people contribute by the end of the week and see if we receive any contributions
12:52:11 <Yoshiko> interesting!
12:52:45 <steph> action: steph to send a mail to the list to seed contributions and remind people what is expected (ilustrating pro and cons of each technology)
12:53:30 <steph> new contribution about adding co-design references: see 
12:53:30 <steph> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Sep/0004.html
12:54:58 <steph> steph: propose to put in in section 6.2.5 after trust and training
12:56:46 <steph> action: steph to add definition of discoverability and usability when they first appear
12:57:09 <steph> action: steph to add co-design contribution in section 6.2.5
12:57:39 <steph> update on ussd and cell broadcast from Phillip: 
12:57:39 <steph> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Aug/0068.html
12:57:56 <steph> steph: ok to update the current wording with the new one which is more complete
12:58:04 <steph> yoshiko:agreed
12:58:15 <steph> action: steph to include philip contribution in the roadmap
12:59:00 <steph> comments: COST 6.1.5 -> COST FOR END USERS
12:59:00 <steph> COST 6.2.4 -> COST FOR SERVICE PROVIDERS
12:59:09 <steph> steph: agreed
12:59:45 <steph> yoshiko: my contribution, i agree good to facilitate reader work
13:00:01 <steph> action: steph to update 6.1.5 and 6.2.4 section name
13:00:41 <steph> yoshiko: another comments: there are inconsistencies in the number
13:00:52 <steph> should be double checked
13:01:06 <steph> section numbers particularly
13:01:09 <steph> and data refered
13:01:50 <steph> particularly when section are refered from another section, someitmes it is not updated
13:02:14 <steph> action: steph to check section references and numbering
13:02:20 <Yoshiko> iorio17
13:02:53 <Zakim> -steph
13:02:55 <Zakim> -yoshiko
13:02:56 <Zakim> -Lauri
13:02:56 <Zakim> UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
13:02:58 <Zakim> Attendees were +58160aaaa, steph, +41.22.800.aabb, yoshiko, +035850558aacc, Lauri
13:03:00 <steph> rrsagent, make log public
13:03:07 <steph> rrsagent, make minutes
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