IRC log of xproc on 2009-09-17

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Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
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Date: 17 Sep 2009
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Meeting: 153
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Chair: Norm
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Scribe: Norm
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ScribeNick: Norm
15:00:46 [Norm]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:00:46 [Zakim]
sorry, Norm, I don't know what conference this is
15:00:47 [Zakim]
On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, alexmilowski, PGrosso, Norm, ht
15:00:49 [Norm]
Zakim, this is xproc
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ok, Norm; that matches XML_PMWG()11:00AM
15:00:51 [PGrosso]
Zakim, this is xproc
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PGrosso, this was already XML_PMWG()11:00AM
15:00:52 [Norm]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:00:53 [Zakim]
ok, PGrosso; that matches XML_PMWG()11:00AM
15:00:55 [Zakim]
On the phone I see [ArborText], Norm
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15:01:34 [ht]
rebooting, with you shortly
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15:02:34 [Norm]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:02:34 [Zakim]
On the phone I see PGrosso, Norm, Alex_Milows, Vojtech, Ht
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Present: Paul, Norm, Alex, Vojtech, Henry
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Regrets: Mohamed
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Topic: Accept this agenda?
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Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
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Topic: Next meeting: telcon 1 Oct 2009
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Vojtech gives regrets for 1 Oct.
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Topic: Comments on draft
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Topic: 162 No binding for a non-primary input port
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Vojtech: Close this one; latest editor's draft solves this one.
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Topic: 163 Output port may be connected to...
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Vojtech: For the declared outputs, the spec outputs now says that it may be connected to the xpath context for some other step.
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Norm: Ok. I tried to make that clear, but failed. I'll expand on that.
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Norm: I'll enumerate all the cases.
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Vojtech: Or if you can generalize it somehow...I don't know.
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Vojtech: In the same section, an "output port may be connected to more than one input port."
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...Could that be misleading because in a compound step it could be the output of a contained step?
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Norm: Uhm...maybe.
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Norm: Maybe "an output port may have more than one binding"?
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Vojtech: I'm not sure if binding is the right thing. We use both binding and being connected. I think sometimes they mean different things.
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Norm: I'll make an attempt to finesse this somehow.
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Vojtech: Is this section confusing wrt atomic and compound steps?
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Norm: Yes, probably.
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Norm: I need to fix this.
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Topic: 164 Bag-merge definition
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Vojtech explains his concern.
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Henry: A quick survey of the likely specs didn't turn up a good definition, which surprised me a bit.
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...If "unordered collection which allows duplicates" is better...
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...The problem is that any of these work, the question is which ones will work for which people.
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...I can try harder to find a definition in the literature.
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Norm: I don't know if "unordered collection" carries the implication that duplicates are allowed or not.
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...I'd be just as happy to leave it, I think.
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Topic: 165 Step type exports definition
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Some discussion of how to fix the markup
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Henry will edit the XML and check it back in.
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Topic: Publish a heartbeat document?
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Proposal: Publish a new CR draft to satisfy our heartbeat requirements.
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15:25:45 [alexmilowski]
(time for me to go take Max to school)
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Topic: Default XML Processing Model
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Norm: Henry, anything to work on this week?
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Henry: No, no progress yet.
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15:29:39 [ht]
Didn't mean to hang up -- are we done?
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I was going to reload the doc and let folks look at it
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Topic: Any other business?
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XML_PMWG()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Norm, PGrosso, Alex_Milows, Vojtech, Ht
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RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
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rrsagent draft-minutes
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate Norm
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16:17:23 [ht]
Have you updated? I don't see a change yet. . .
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