13:01:13 RRSAgent has joined #wam 13:01:13 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/09/17-wam-irc 13:01:20 ScribeNick: ArtB 13:01:23 Scribe: Art 13:01:26 Chair: Art 13:01:33 Meeting: Widgets Voice Conference 13:01:38 Date: 17 September 2009 13:01:43 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/1098.html 13:01:53 + +33.2.08.82.90.aabb 13:01:54 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/1090.html 13:02:19 Regrets: Josh, Bryan, Jere 13:02:25 zakim, aabb is marcin 13:02:25 +marcin; got it 13:02:39 Present: Art, Marcin, Arve, Marcos 13:03:06 + +47.23.69.aacc 13:03:16 zakim, aacc is marcos 13:03:16 +marcos; got it 13:03:17 +darobin 13:03:23 Present+ Robin 13:04:18 Topic: Review and tweak agenda 13:04:26 AB: the Draft agenda was sent on Sept 16 ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/1090.html ). 13:04:35 AB: When we talk about the A&E/Widget interface spec, we will include a comment from Scott Wilson ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/1098.html ) which is a reminder we haven't responded to an email of his from 19 August. Any change requests? 13:05:03 [ No ] 13:05:05 Topic: Announcements 13:05:16 AB: reminder that Sep 20 comment deadline for WARP LCWD. Does anyone have any other short announcements? 13:05:32 fjh has joined #wam 13:05:35 AB: TPAC, please register ASAP 13:06:04 Topic: P&C spec: Media Type status 13:06:14 AB: the P&C Candidate spec includes an ISSUE re registering the application/widget media type ( http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-widgets-20090723/#media-type ). 13:06:47 MC: I plan to get that soon 13:06:53 ... I don't think it will affect testing 13:07:03 AB: Do you need something from the rest us? 13:07:12 MC: not really 13:07:28 ... I think it's clear what is needed, I just need to do it 13:07:34 ... If I need help, I'll ask 13:07:45 + +1.452.9.aadd 13:07:58 AB: does anyone have relevant experience MC can leverage? 13:08:15 RB: will use IANA or the W3C fast track? 13:08:20 MC: W3C fast track 13:08:27 RB: will this require changing the CR? 13:08:37 MC: no I don't think so 13:09:05 ... the RFC enumerates the requirements and I need to make sure the spec includes those 13:09:22 AB: will you create a separate doc? 13:09:37 MC: no I think an appendix of the P+C is OK 13:09:51 AB: any other comments on this topic? 13:09:53 [ No ] 13:10:09 Present+ Benoit 13:10:17 Topic: P&C spec: URI/IRI normalization 13:10:29 AB: last week we skipped URI/IRI normalization issue ( http://www.w3.org/2009/09/10-wam-minutes.html#item03 ) because Marcin was not on the call. After I published today's agenda, I18N Core WG responded to Marcin's query ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/1099.html ). My interpretation of Addison's feedback is that we don't need to make any changes. 13:11:36 AB: Marcin, Marcos, is Addison correct there is no change required? 13:11:45 MC: need to hear from Marcin 13:12:20 MH: I accept the comments from the I18N WG 13:12:32 ... percent encoding shold not be used for IRIs 13:12:44 s/shold/should/ 13:14:15 AB: Marcin, please add to the minutes here 13:14:25 Based on I18N comments I understand that the UTF8 usage in IRI is based on character entities and not pctencoding. 13:14:38 MC: we may need to add a note to make things more clear 13:14:45 ... Marcin did have a good point 13:15:23 I can leave with the fact that such an IRI - as it would be written into config.xml - would not be able to be copy-pasted into the browser to point to any resource 13:15:35 AB: given the Note is non-normative, we will leave it to the Editor to add clarifying text 13:15:39 s/can leave/can live/ 13:16:28 MH: in email, MC suggested I create a widget but I don't think that is necessary 13:16:34 MC: I will create a related test 13:16:40 ... and add it to the test suite 13:17:06 AB: any last comments on this topic? 13:17:08 [ No ] 13:17:22 fjh has joined #wam 13:17:27 Topic: A&E / Widget Interface spec: Comments on section 5.1 protected preferences by Scott Wilson 13:17:35 AB: on Sept 13 Scott submitted a comment re section 5.1 ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/1053.html ) and then yesterday he submitted a followup ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/1097.html ). What is the status? 13:18:11 MC: I think we have solved the problem Scott raised 13:18:21 ... by using JS' getters and setters 13:18:52 ... some recent additions to ES can be used 13:19:05 ... the spec will need to use those 13:19:20 ... I think Scott can now create a compliant client using JS 13:19:37 AB: is there some additional followup that needs to be done? 13:19:51 MC: yes; there are some additional clarification that need to be made 13:19:59 ... but this is not a blocking issue 13:20:09 ... must tighten up some additional text 13:20:25 AB: thanks for working on this one 13:20:58 Topic: A&E / Widget Interface spec: August 19 comment from Scott Wilson 13:21:09 AB: on August 19 Scott Wilson submitted the following comment ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/1098.html ) and we have not yet responded. 13:22:16 Present+ Frederick 13:23:25 hi 13:24:02 MC: I still need to investigate Scott's Aug 19 email 13:24:17 ... it is related to the structured clone thread I started re WebStorage spec 13:24:28 ... we will need to take some text from WebStorage 13:24:41 ... prefs attr needs some explicit behavior defined 13:24:52 Arve: you mean do a Copy-Paste? 13:25:02 MC: yes, that's what Hixie recommended 13:25:50 ... see this thread http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/1065.html 13:26:43 Arve: I want to read Hixie's reply 13:26:54 Marcos has joined #wam 13:27:05 AB: so obviously there is still work that needs to be done on this spec 13:27:27 Arve: I don't understand why Hixie doesn't want to specify the general behavior 13:27:42 AB: can you follow-up Arve? 13:27:44 Arve: yes 13:28:17 AB: how much work needs to be done? 13:28:31 MC: I think it can be ready soon 13:28:39 RB: is the plan to go to a 2nd LC? 13:28:46 MC: yes; but as short as possible 13:28:51 RB: that means 3 weeks 13:30:05 AB: seems like we should have a 1-week review after MC completes his changes 13:30:13 MC: I don't think we need a whole week 13:30:35 ... based on experience, we won't get feedback until we publish 13:31:14 RB: I tend to agree we should just publish 13:31:37 I agree as well 13:31:41 MH: yesterday I commented on the latest ED rather than the LC 13:32:32 MC: I haven't looked at your comment yet Marcin 13:32:45 s/your comment/your comments/ 13:33:20 MH: there have not yet been any responses to my comments 13:33:35 MC: I will respond to those comments on Sep 18 13:34:40 AB: when do you think you can complete your edits? 13:34:46 MC: Tueday 22 Sept 13:35:31 AB: so then on Sep 24 we can make a decision on LC # publication 13:35:47 RB: I can help; let me know what needs to be done 13:36:24 AB: this would then mean a publication on the 29th 13:36:30 ... not sure we can do better 13:37:10 AB: that then Plan of Record 13:37:18 AB: anything else on this spec today? 13:37:27 AB: since we will publish a new LCWD I don't think we need to complete the Comment Tracking document we created for the August 18 LC. 13:37:54 MC: I am also trying to get ready for the Sep 21-23 Widget Test Fest 13:38:03 ... I've already added the TA ids 13:38:10 + +1.971.998.aaee 13:38:12 ... hope they create some tests for this 13:38:22 Present+ Wayne 13:38:43 Topic: URI Scheme spec 13:38:50 AB: the URI scheme spec should be ready to publish as a LCWD ( http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/waf/widgets-uri/ ) if Robin updated the spec ( http://www.w3.org/2009/09/10-wam-minutes.html#item06 ). 13:39:20 http://www.w3.org/mid/FF1199B3-7D6A-4481-A3F8-57F46E25D5A0@berjon.com 13:39:30 http://www.w3.org/mid/9C10B32C-7F49-4CD0-B929-2622077CDA7D@berjon.com 13:39:30 AB: Robin, please give us a quick status 13:39:50 RB: have two major comments 13:40:03 ... think the spec needs to be updated before we publish 13:40:11 ... Jere's comment needs to be addressed 13:40:20 ... think we may be mis-using the IRI spec 13:40:33 ... these changes will take some time though 13:40:51 ... the spec focues on abs URI 13:41:06 ... but lacking some support for relative URIs 13:41:24 ... Marcos also submitted some comment that need to be addressed 13:41:35 ... I think this is going to take at leas one week 13:41:52 ... It would be helpful for people to start discussing 13:41:56 """ 13:41:58 So taking a different tack to defining the syntax, we could state that for a URI to be a valid widget URI, then it must match the IRI production in RFC 3987, with "scheme" being "widget". That pretty much makes us as safe as can be syntax-wise. 13:42:00 We then need a "Rule for converting the ipath-* bits to a file name field", and anything that cannot be converted is simply considered to resolve to nothing (the equivalent of a 404). This requires a bigger change than I'd hoped, but I think it's probably the right thing to do. 13:42:02 """ 13:42:27 - should the requirements in WURI be moved to the requirements document 13:42:52 - HTML 5 origin issue 13:43:21 RB: we need input on the above comments from Jere and Marcos 13:44:15 AB: so it's going to be another week or two before we are ready to make a decision about LC ready 13:44:48 Topic: View Modes Media Features spec 13:45:04 AB: we need to get the VMMF spec ( http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-vm/vm-mediafeature.src.html ) ready for FPWD as discussed last week ( http://www.w3.org/2009/09/10-wam-minutes.html#item07 ). Marcin, what's the status? 13:45:42 MH: what is required for FPWD? 13:46:13 AB: I am not aware of any hard reqs 13:46:19 wcarr has joined #wam 13:46:24 ... are there any things you need to do? 13:46:29 MH: needs a ToC 13:46:47 RB: there are no absolute reqs for FPWD 13:46:59 ... but want to think about IPR and exclusions 13:47:10 ... by publishing a FPWD, the exclusion period starts 13:47:25 ... the 2nd period starts when the LC is published 13:47:43 ... want to make sure FPWD is as feature complete as possible 13:47:58 ... at least mentions all of the features expected in the final Recommendation 13:48:13 ... even a simple paragraph that isn't well-defined is OK 13:48:32 MH: should we do a round of edits before we do a FPWD? 13:48:46 RB: do you think it is feature complete? 13:48:50 MH: yes 13:49:01 ... but I will add a ToC 13:50:29 AB: everyone should review the spec and submit comments by Sept 24 13:50:44 ... let's plan to make a decision about FPWD during the Sep 24 call 13:51:08 AB: besides myself, can anyone else do a thorough review? 13:51:11 RB: I will 13:51:27 AB: anything else on this topic for today? 13:51:35 MH: nothing from me 13:51:44 ... note I will be traveling at this time next week 13:51:55 Topic: AOB 13:52:04 AB: good luck to those attending the Widgets Test Fest next week. 13:52:14 AB: who's going? 13:52:17 RB: me 13:52:20 MH: me too 13:52:39 AB: the meeting will be held in #wam? 13:52:42 RB: yes 13:52:51 AB: sorry I can't make it 13:53:02 me 13:53:04 AB: any other topics? 13:53:11 MC: I won't be able to join next week 13:53:38 Arve: I may not be able to join next week 13:54:00 AB: Meeting Adjourned; next meeting is Sep 24 13:54:07 -arve 13:54:08 -ArtB 13:54:09 -darobin 13:54:09 -marcin 13:54:11 - +1.452.9.aadd 13:54:13 - +1.971.998.aaee 13:54:13 RRSAgent, make log Public 13:54:14 -marcos 13:54:14 IA_WebApps(Widgets)9:00AM has ended 13:54:15 Attendees were arve, +1.781.993.aaaa, ArtB, +33.2.08.82.90.aabb, marcin, +47.23.69.aacc, marcos, darobin, +1.452.9.aadd, +1.971.998.aaee 13:54:19 RRSAgent, make minutes 13:54:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/17-wam-minutes.html ArtB 13:56:19 Marcos has joined #wam 13:58:42 zakim, bye 13:58:42 Zakim has left #wam 13:58:47 rrsagent, bye 13:58:47 I see no action items