20:58:41 RRSAgent has joined #owea 20:58:41 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/09/17-owea-irc 20:58:43 RRSAgent, make logs world 20:58:43 Zakim has joined #owea 20:58:45 Zakim, this will be 20:58:45 I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot 20:58:46 Meeting: Open Web Education Alliance Incubator Group Teleconference 20:58:46 Date: 17 September 2009 20:58:58 Skype 2.1 beta did not work well for me. back on 2.0 for Linux. Hoping it will work OK. 20:59:17 Zakim, call shepazu 20:59:17 sorry, shepazu, I don't know what conference this is 20:59:19 Zakim, this will be owea 20:59:19 ok, shepazu, I see IA_(OWEA XG)5:00PM already started 20:59:29 +Shepazu 20:59:33 + +1.404.260.aacc 21:00:07 +??P4 21:00:19 + +1.503.288.aadd 21:00:27 Lars Gunther is P4 21:00:58 Zakim, p4 is itpastorn 21:00:58 sorry, shepazu, I do not recognize a party named 'p4' 21:01:11 Zakim, ??p4 is itpastorn 21:01:11 +itpastorn; got it 21:01:13 + +0161652aaee 21:02:28 Zakim, who is here? 21:02:28 On the phone I see ??P1, +1.309.360.aabb, ??P2, Shepazu, +1.404.260.aacc, itpastorn, +1.503.288.aadd, +0161652aaee 21:02:30 On IRC I see RRSAgent, sniffles, MarkDuBois, itpastorn, shepazu, trackbot 21:02:46 zakim, ??P1 is sniffles 21:02:46 +sniffles; got it 21:03:10 - +1.503.288.aadd 21:03:35 + +1.503.288.aaff 21:04:33 + +1.512.963.aagg 21:05:00 zakim, 1.512.963.aagg is gsims 21:05:00 sorry, shepazu, I do not recognize a party named '1.512.963.aagg' 21:05:15 chrisdavidmills has joined #owea 21:05:15 zakim, aagg is gsims 21:05:17 +gsims; got it 21:05:22 + +1.415.832.aahh 21:05:40 gsims has joined #owea 21:05:43 sfegette has joined #owea 21:05:46 Ok, I'm here too ;-) 21:05:49 Zakim, 0161652aaee is chrisdavidmills 21:05:49 sorry, shepazu, I do not recognize a party named '0161652aaee' 21:05:55 me too- sorry to be late :0 21:06:35 Zakim, aaee is chrisdavidmills 21:06:35 +chrisdavidmills; got it 21:06:36 415 21:06:38 This is about the 3rd time I've ever used IRC - it feels like a white-knuckle ride....kinda ;-) 21:07:15 chair: Steph Troeth 21:07:26 yup, 0161...it's the code for Manchester UK 21:07:37 ScribeNick: gsims 21:08:03 chair: Steph Troeh 21:08:41 w3 has joined #owea 21:08:53 Topic: White Paper Status 21:09:13 virginia has joined #owea 21:09:19 sniffles: Thank you for everyone for a wonderful job on this first draft!!! 21:09:38 sniffles: Doug, do you have a deadline for when we should have the next draft of the white paper? 21:10:18 w3 has left #owea 21:10:21 w3 has joined #owea 21:10:27 w3 has left #owea 21:10:38 doug: We need to flesh out the business plan questions if possible before the retreat. No hard deadline, but if we could have some info, that would be good. 21:11:10 dave has joined #owea 21:11:27 doug: management retreat is Sept 27-29 21:12:57 ben_friedman has joined #owea 21:13:35 gsims: suggest that we need to clarify the vision and strategic initiatives first. then we can work on the business plan. i propose we not attempt to do the business plan in the next 2 weeks. 21:15:09 doug: what w3m would find valuable is some general answers to how OWEA would fit into W3C. See questions posted on 9/15/2009. 21:17:38 action: gsims respond to mauro's questions via email 21:17:38 Created ACTION-12 - Respond to mauro's questions via email [on Glenda Sims - due 2009-09-24]. 21:18:49 action: gsims set up telcon with Mauro, John, Doug 21:18:49 Created ACTION-13 - Set up telcon with Mauro, John, Doug [on Glenda Sims - due 2009-09-24]. 21:20:06 mark: important to know the audience and their questions when writing this white paper 21:21:54 doug: web science will mean WSRI and advanced degree 21:22:43 chrisdavidmills: prefer School of Web over Web Science 21:23:07 or "web design and development" 21:23:20 action: shepazu to identify particular interests of various decision makers 21:23:20 Created ACTION-14 - Identify particular interests of various decision makers [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-09-24]. 21:25:55 steph: it would be nice to know a timeline for when we need to have a final white paper 21:27:55 doug: w3m meets every week...so the timing has to do with how quickly OWEA can/wants to move 21:28:05 doug: consider academic year timing 21:29:09 mark: I suggest we proceed cautiously. we only get to do this once. 21:32:39 mark: suggest that using OWEA is more incompassing than interact 21:32:56 mark: case in point, we may need to include Adobe 21:33:16 mark: we could use interact as a starting point, but it doesn't include all the players 21:33:25 steph: interact is a living thing...it is not fixed 21:33:36 topic: Course Content and Policy 21:33:54 steph: interact is the framework 21:34:16 chrisdavidmills: same with WSC 21:34:58 chrisdavidmills: from a marketing standpoint, InterAct is more marketable than OWEA 21:35:11 chrisdavidmills: but we shouldn't just use InterAct as the face of the curriculum 21:35:44 chrisdavidmills: Open Web Curriculum: InterAct 21:35:46 it was recorded, so we can rewind later :-) 21:36:43 (we don't need to use the term "OWEA" when we come to w3c.. there are plenty of better names we could develop) 21:38:23 itpastorn: core content under OWEA brand 21:38:32 FYI: Ben owns a branding company...might be able to get some "muscle" for naming, identity, positioning, manifesto development, etc. when time is right 21:38:37 it's worth noting that W3C is a Consortium of industry players, as well as a sort of "public service" 21:38:49 itpastorn: additional content could be under InterAct 21:39:10 sniffles: InterAct framework was designed for all of this 21:39:37 chrisdavidmills: the InterAct framework is well fit for this. we can keep it on the interact site for now. and we can move it later if we need to 21:39:59 virginia: in my mind, InterAct is the educational arm of this effort 21:40:01 virginia++ 21:40:34 virginia: and owea the business alliance, contacts, industry connections (a business unit) 21:41:00 sniffles: interact is the flag and owea is the arm waving it 21:41:46 gsims: interact is the curriculum. outreach would fit under business unit 21:42:05 (ben_friedman, good to note :) ) 21:43:08 dave: (speaking from his higher ed teaching experience) make it super simple for faculty to adopt 21:43:16 slide decks, demos... 21:43:52 dave: important to have well defined curriculum that is easy to adopt 21:43:58 chrisdavidmills: I agree with you 21:44:47 mark: i agree wholeheartedly. we need to be aware we are presenting this at more than one level: hs, community college, university 21:45:34 sniffles: hard to know what goes in what level. so we are laying out the pieces. then we can have teachers help us share their lesson plans...that then becomes a resource to the next person. 21:47:18 gsims: interact as the framework: course / competencies 21:47:36 gsims: then use creative commons as a place for any instructor to share content 21:48:25 chrisdavidmills: there will always be people who want you to add more to it...to the point that they want you to come teach it for them. 21:50:38 action: gsims share ideas with aarronw about need for levels (hs, cc, uni) and perhaps a creativecommons solution for now 21:50:38 Created ACTION-15 - Share ideas with aarronw about need for levels (hs, cc, uni) and perhaps a creativecommons solution for now [on Glenda Sims - due 2009-09-24]. 21:52:09 steph: InterAct: Open Web Curriculum Framework 21:52:58 chrisdavidmills: do we need the word "open"? 21:53:02 Web Curriculum Framework ++ 21:53:28 InterAct: Web Curriculum Framework 21:53:51 Bear Web Curriculum? Bare Web Curriculum? 21:53:57 Open Beer Curriculum 21:54:10 "open web" is soooooooo 2009, anyway 21:54:20 or the UK version - Warm Beer Curriculum 21:54:21 action: gsims create a discussion page for naming the curriculum effort (InterAct: Web Curriculum Framework) 21:54:21 Created ACTION-16 - Create a discussion page for naming the curriculum effort (InterAct: Web Curriculum Framework) [on Glenda Sims - due 2009-09-24]. 21:55:24 :( 21:55:35 Dang. We'll miss you. 21:55:36 steph: she needs to step back from OWEA and have a sabbatical 21:56:00 hip hip 21:56:31 hooray (for steph) 21:56:33 you will be missed. you brought a solid business perspective to our group 21:57:22 I hope steph will recharge her batteries and be back soon 21:57:28 ditto 21:57:37 have fun, steph! :D 21:57:40 agreed 21:57:55 Absolutely! 21:58:39 steph wears size 46 shoes 21:59:17 chairing shoes, that is 22:00:59 thanks everyone :) 22:01:23 wednesday is good for me 22:02:03 action: gsims reschedule regular meetings for wednesdays (every other) 22:02:03 Created ACTION-17 - Reschedule regular meetings for wednesdays (every other) [on Glenda Sims - due 2009-09-24]. 22:03:00 - +1.415.832.aahh 22:03:01 -??P2 22:03:02 - +1.309.360.aabb 22:03:03 -gsims 22:03:04 -chrisdavidmills 22:03:05 -itpastorn 22:03:05 - +1.503.288.aaff 22:03:06 - +1.404.260.aacc 22:03:11 -sniffles 22:03:16 -Shepazu 22:03:17 IA_(OWEA XG)5:00PM has ended 22:03:18 Attendees were +1.309.360.aaaa, +1.309.360.aabb, Shepazu, +1.404.260.aacc, +1.503.288.aadd, itpastorn, +0161652aaee, sniffles, +1.503.288.aaff, +1.512.963.aagg, gsims, 22:03:21 itpastorn has left #owea 22:03:21 ... +1.415.832.aahh, chrisdavidmills 22:04:28 trackbot, end telcon 22:04:28 Zakim, list attendees 22:04:28 sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is 22:04:29 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 22:04:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/17-owea-minutes.html trackbot 22:04:30 RRSAgent, bye 22:04:30 I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/17-owea-actions.rdf : 22:04:30 ACTION: gsims respond to mauro's questions via email [1] 22:04:30 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/17-owea-irc#T21-17-38 22:04:30 ACTION: gsims set up telcon with Mauro, John, Doug [2] 22:04:30 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/17-owea-irc#T21-18-49 22:04:30 ACTION: shepazu to identify particular interests of various decision makers [3] 22:04:30 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/17-owea-irc#T21-23-20 22:04:30 ACTION: gsims share ideas with aarronw about need for levels (hs, cc, uni) and perhaps a creativecommons solution for now [4] 22:04:30 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/17-owea-irc#T21-50-38 22:04:30 ACTION: gsims create a discussion page for naming the curriculum effort (InterAct: Web Curriculum Framework) [5] 22:04:30 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/17-owea-irc#T21-54-21 22:04:30 ACTION: gsims reschedule regular meetings for wednesdays (every other) [6] 22:04:30 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/17-owea-irc#T22-02-03