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13:01:51 <mhausenblas> ok, then ...
13:01:52 <mhausenblas> trackbot, start telecon
13:01:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
13:01:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be AWWSW
13:01:57 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM already started
13:01:58 <trackbot> Meeting: W3C Architecture of The World Wide Semantic Web Task Force Teleconference
13:01:58 <trackbot> Date: 15 September 2009
13:02:04 <mhausenblas> Zakim, code?
13:02:04 <Zakim> the conference code is 29979 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), mhausenblas
13:02:30 <mhausenblas> hehe, yes ;)
13:02:39 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
13:04:15 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-awwsw/2009Sep/0003.html
13:05:12 <mhausenblas> Topic: Skeleton for AWWSW report
13:05:34 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make record public
13:05:41 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:05:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-awwsw-minutes.html mhausenblas
13:06:16 <mhausenblas> scribenick: dbooth 
13:06:24 <mhausenblas> chair: mhausenblas 
13:06:28 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:06:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-awwsw-minutes.html mhausenblas
13:06:57 <mhausenblas> Michael: do it on the Wiki  - somewhere http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswHome/ ?
13:09:07 <mhausenblas> http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswHome/DraftReport
13:10:59 <Zakim> + +1.617.538.aaaa
13:11:40 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaaa is Jonathan
13:11:40 <Zakim> +Jonathan; got it
13:13:54 <mhausenblas> http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswGenericResource
13:14:03 <dbooth> We're brainstorming what sections to put in draft report
13:14:59 <mhausenblas> http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswNoodlingDiagrams
13:15:37 <Zakim> +Jonathan_Rees
13:15:39 <Zakim> -Jonathan
13:15:56 <jar> jar has joined #awwsw
13:16:50 <dbooth> jar: The thing that I like best is the Noodling Diagrams ontology.
13:17:10 <mhausenblas> http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswNoodlingDiagrams
13:17:48 <mhausenblas> http://purl.org/NET/inforesource
13:18:13 <dbooth> dbooth: I think it would make sense to pose a number of questions/topics and say what we think about them.  For example, we might be in agreement or we might have diverse opinions.
13:18:40 <dbooth> jar: Like a cafeteria.
13:18:58 <jar> http://w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/http.owl
13:19:18 <jar> from July 6
13:21:38 <jar> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/57
13:21:49 <jar> http://www.w3.org/mid/760bcb2a0906150844j52115a36vb369b05f50e37e0e%2540mail.gmail.com
13:21:53 <Zakim> +Alan_Ruttenberg
13:24:55 <dbooth> michael: Is there anything we can propose or advise to the TAG?
13:25:39 <dbooth> jar: I suggest we build around some ontology, maybe starting with what I've done.  And things that are not explicitly supported by the specs can be included on a cafeteria basis.
13:26:29 <dbooth> ... e.g., I wrote a shell script that starts to implement this ont.  It makes a few inferences that don't follow from the specs.
13:27:05 <mhausenblas> Michael: three proposals for input: (i) discovery/LRDD, (ii) list existing/related vocs, and (iii) motivation/application
13:27:48 <jar> I have a shell script.  Showed it at the TAG F2F. Need to find and post it.
13:30:42 <dbooth> michael: should also say something about other existing resources, ssuch as Harry and Valentina's ont.
13:32:43 <dbooth> alan: should we say something about HTTPbis?  or what we would like the TAG to do?
13:33:14 <dbooth> ...  Might say "these are the 3 most important issues we think you should interact w IETF on".
13:35:04 <dbooth> jar: At the June TAG f2f I presented this ont -- sorry it was my story and not the group's -- and included a shell script that concludes things about the interaction.  It was a very good session, and people were actually interested and engaged, not only TimBL but Noah, Larry, Henry.
13:35:40 <dbooth> ... Talking about formal models is MUCH more helpful than talking about principles.  Not only were they engaged, but they GOT the chaos that I've been discussing.
13:36:59 <dbooth> ... TAG's charter is to produce arch recommendations, and TimBL likes the idea of having a formal model as the basis for AWWW volume 2.
13:38:36 <jar> http://w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/jar-diagram-7.pdf
13:42:05 <dbooth> jar: Blue boxes are basically http-in-rdf ontology
13:42:45 <dbooth> jar: Get200Candidate is a resource that you COULD return a 200 for.
13:43:32 <dbooth> jar: My shell script takes a URI and generates RDF.
13:44:44 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent. draft minutes
13:44:52 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:44:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-awwsw-minutes.html mhausenblas
13:45:04 <dbooth> Meeting: AWWSW
13:45:13 <dbooth> Chair: Michael
13:46:31 <dbooth> michael: would be good to run your script and show some data generated.
13:50:35 <dbooth> dbooth: in your ont, there are three kinds of boxes: 1. white boxes, which are basically IR-like notions; 2. blue boxes, which are mechanics of http (http-in-rdf vocabulary); and 3. yellow boxes, which try to join the two: they are semantics of the exchange.  What's being said by the resource by the http interaction.
13:53:06 <mhausenblas> Michael: agree with the 'cafeteria' approach, however, rough structure needs to be decided
13:53:09 <mhausenblas> ... would propose
13:53:36 <jar> http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswHome?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=nose-follow.sh
13:53:41 <mhausenblas> 1. Motivation/Application areas, then 2. Onto/cafeteria, 3. related stuff
13:53:42 <dbooth> dbooth: how does jar's ont compare with the ont and rules I did a year ago?  http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswDboothsRules
13:54:15 <dbooth> jar: Your rules correspond with my shell script.  We'd have to compare the other parts of the ont.
13:55:10 <dbooth> ACTION: dbooth to compare jar's ont at http://w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/http.owl with dbooth's ont at http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswDboothsRules
13:55:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Compare jar's ont at http://w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/http.owl with dbooth's ont at http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswDboothsRules [on David Booth - due 2009-09-22].
13:56:12 <dbooth> ACTION: Michael to work on outline of draft report
13:56:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-21 - Work on outline of draft report [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2009-09-22].
13:57:31 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:57:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-awwsw-minutes.html mhausenblas
13:57:50 <dbooth> michael: should be bug TimBL to come?
13:58:07 <dbooth> dbooth: Might be best to bug him when we REALLY want him, like after we've drafted a bit.
13:58:29 <mhausenblas> present+ jar 
13:58:33 <mhausenblas> present+ Alan
13:58:37 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:58:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-awwsw-minutes.html mhausenblas
13:58:42 <dbooth> Present: Jonathan Rees (jar), David Booth, Michael Hausenblas, Alan Ruttenberg
13:58:51 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:58:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-awwsw-minutes.html dbooth
13:59:44 <Zakim> -Alan_Ruttenberg
13:59:44 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
13:59:46 <Zakim> -DBooth
13:59:50 <Zakim> -Jonathan_Rees
13:59:52 <Zakim> TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM has ended
13:59:54 <Zakim> Attendees were DBooth, mhausenblas, +1.617.538.aaaa, Jonathan, Jonathan_Rees, Alan_Ruttenberg
14:01:07 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, bye
14:01:07 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-awwsw-actions.rdf :
14:01:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: dbooth to compare jar's ont at http://w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/http.owl with dbooth's ont at http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswDboothsRules [1]
14:01:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-awwsw-irc#T13-55-10
14:01:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to work on outline of draft report [2]
14:01:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-awwsw-irc#T13-56-12