IRC log of wai-wcag on 2009-09-10

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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
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Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 10 September 2009
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WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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+??P4
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zakim, ??P4 is Gregg_Vanderheiden
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+Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
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zakim, Gregg has Ben_Caldwell
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+Ben_Caldwell; got it
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zakim, +1.415.373.aacc is sofia_celic
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+sofia_celic; got it
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-Bruce_Bailey
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+Bruce_Bailey
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+ +1.512.286.aadd
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-Bruce_Bailey
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+Bruce_Bailey
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-Bruce_Bailey
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+Bruce_Bailey
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http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=Open%20Issues
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http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=Open%20Issues
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+Tim_Boland
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scribe: greggvanderheiden
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TOPIC: Issue 2762 - G53: Example 2 (edit)
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RESOLUTION: Accept. Tell them we agree and will remove it.
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-Bruce_Bailey
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TOPIC: Issue 2761 - SCR35: Example 3 (edit)
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+Bruce_Bailey
20:26:39 [Andi]
if and only if the form post provides the same functionality as the script.
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-Bruce_Bailey
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"This approach can be used TO CREATE sites that do not rely on script, if and only if ...."
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The action attribute of the enclosing form element sumbits the form to the server which has a script to perform the action.
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RESOLUTION: evise "This approach can be used <del>by sites</del><ins>to create sites</ins> that do not rely on script, if and only if the form post provides the same functionality as the script."
20:34:25 [greggvanderheiden]
@@ delete "or will load a Web page that explains that JavaScript is required to interact with the site. " from http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/working-examples/SCR35/jsbutton.html
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@@ revise, "The action attribute of the enclosing form element submits the form to the server which has a script to perform the action.
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+Bruce_Bailey
20:34:52 [greggvanderheiden]
TOPIC: v
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TOPIC:Issue 2759 - H63: Why td for header cells? (edit)
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-Bruce_Bailey
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- +1.617.219.aaee
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RESOLUTION: revise the cells with row="scope" to be <th>
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Respond with:
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Technically, the presence of the scope attribute should be enough to signal assistive technologies that these are header cells. However, we agree that using <th> in this case is more appropriate and will revise the example to use <th> for cells that have the scope attribute.
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+Bruce_Bailey
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TOPIC: Issue 2758 - G182: Applicability (edit)
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-Bruce_Bailey
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+Bruce_Bailey
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-Bruce_Bailey
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+Bruce_Bailey
20:57:00 [Loretta]
Note that while this technique is sufficient to meet the visual requirements of Success Criterion 1.4.1, the information conveyed by the color must also be programmaticvally determined to satisfy Success Criterion 1.3.1.
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21:00:06 [Loretta]
Note that while this technique is sufficient to meet the visual requirements of Success Criterion 1.4.1, the information conveyed by the color must also be available programmatically to satisfy Success Criterion 1.3.1. See Understanding Success Criterion 1.3.1.
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-Tim_Boland
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RESOLUTION: RESPONSE: This technique is sufficient for this SC which is just about colorblindness - but would not meet 1.3.1. To bring this to the readers attention we added a note to end of description: Note that while this technique is sufficient to meet the visual requirements of Success Criterion 1.4.1, the information conveyed by the color must also be available programmatically to satisfy Success Criterion 1.3.1. See How To
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Meet Success Criterion 1.3.1.
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TOPIC: Issue 2757 - G182: Examples (edit)
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first half of issue is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2009Aug/0039.html
21:22:28 [greggvanderheiden]
RESOLUTION 1: For Bullet #2 and #3 we will change text to read: A news site lists links to the articles appearing on its site. Additional information such as the section the article appears in, the time the article was posted, a related location or an indication that it is accompanied by live video appears in some cases. The Links to the articles are in a different color than the additional information but the links are not
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underlined, and each link is presented in a larger font than the rest of the information so that users who cannot see color can identify the links more easily.
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Resolution 2: For bullet #3 change to: Short news items sometimes have sentences that are also links to more information. Those sentences are printed in color (without underline) and use a sans-serif font face while the rest of the paragraph is in black Times-Roman.
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21:32:11 [greggvanderheiden]
Resolution 3: Add a new bullet example in front of #1 that reads: The default formatting for links on a page includes have the links be both in a different color than the other text on the page and is also underlined to make the links identifiable even without color vision.
21:35:50 [greggvanderheiden]
TOPIC: Issue 2763 - G182: Example 3 (3rd bullet) (edit)
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RESOLUTION: Response: The applicability section mentions some common examples where authors use color to convey information. The example describes an additional option where a sentence at the end of a paragraph is a link to additional details.
21:37:36 [greggvanderheiden]
G182 is about the use of color. If the link were underlined, you are correct that the underlined link text would be sufficient.
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However, screen readers announce the presence of links (or play a sound to indicate their presence). Therefore, there would be no confusion about the fact that the sentence is a link.
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We have revised the example as follows:
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A news page includes short short descriptions of articles followed by links (without underlines) to the full story. The links are presented in color and also use a sans-serif font face while the rest of the paragraph is in black Times-Roman so that users who can not identify the color difference can still see that there is a difference between the article description and the link
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-sofia_celic
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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-Bruce_Bailey
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-Gregg_Vanderheiden
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WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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Attendees were +1.443.415.aaaa, +1.617.324.aabb, Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Ben_Caldwell, sofia_celic, +1.512.286.aadd, Tim_Boland, +1.617.219.aaee,
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, bye
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I see no action items